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Unread 03-31-2013, 01:26 PM
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Guessing Ascendant of a person via horary

In case a person does not disclose or know his time of birth, can a horary be cast to find out, through the applying house?

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Unread 03-31-2013, 01:45 PM
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Re: Guessing Ascendant of a person via horary

Originally Posted by Wudge View Post
In case a person does not disclose or know his time of birth, can a horary be cast to find out, through the applying house?
Opinion differs on this subject! It's not unusual for astrologers to have different opinions

Alternatively, the Trutine of Hermes aka Prenatal Epoch is an ancient reliable method of chart rectification to ascertain the ascendant degree

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC View Post
An astrological technique from antiquity generally known as the Prenatal Epoch

'....Ascendant, or its opposite, at birth, is Moon's position at conception.

....Known as "Trutine of Hermes," from Hermes Trismegistus who stated the law as follows:

"The place of the Moon at conception becomes the birth ascendant or its opposite point."

"But this proved to be but one-half of a very important law, for while the...

Ascendant at birth was the place of the Moon at a certain Epoch, the Ascendant or its opposite point at this Epoch was the place of the Moon at birth

....a very remarkable interchange of factors." E.H. Bailey.

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The prenatal Epoch idea is so well known that astrology software such as Solar Fire allows the user to calculate their prenatal Epoch. The idea of the prenatal Epoch is also useful because it is often decisive in chart rectification

*****EDIT: I noticed that Solar Fire calculated the prenatal Epoch when I purchased my own personal a copy of Solar Fire bought directly from the company and for which I paid the full original price which was not cheap!

HOWEVER my software copy of Solar Fire is currently installed on an older computer that is no longer in use due to my having upgraded with new computer equipment.

FURTHERMORE I have no interest in using Solar Fire because I purchased and installed Placidus 7 and Porphyrius Magus obtained from Rumen Kolev at Babylonian Astrology website

NEVERTHELESS I retain the disc I purchased directly from Solar Fire i.e. it is not a second hand disc so I paid full price. I keep that disc for several reasons, one of which is that I may need it. I prefer to calculate the prenatal Epoch without the use of software since I have personally found that is the more accurate method
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