Worst chart ever? Nothing but squares and oppositions!!

worstchartever

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Here is my birth chart. Not only is it 90% horrible aspects, I have a T-square with Jupiter-Saturn vs my Sun and Mars, as well as vs Jupiter-Neptune/Uranus.

The Capricorn stellium really effed things up for me. If only I wasn't born 3 weeks late, then I'd be a Virgo and my life would be cake.

http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-...st=Los+Angeles,+CA+(6),+United+States&lang=en

What does this mean? Does this mean I'm kind of destined to suffer more than anyone else despite trying harder than anyone? Does this mean that I was born to struggle and fail?

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felkin

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Hey! Can you please post a chart? You are likely to get far more responses that way...

But let me tell you...if you were a Virgo, your life would not be "cake". LOL. Far from it. I am a Virgo and it can be tough at times...like any other sign. We all have our ins and outs.

You have a Sag moon...that is a jovial,friendly sign. You may not always connect with people super deep at the roots, but emotionally you are uplifting, free and easy. Trust me...it could be worse...you could have a Cappy moon!!! Ugh..."Emotions in mud" is how my astrologer describes that. Your Cappy stellium is there to help you achieve...to get things done. If you didn't have that your little Sadge moon would take over and you wouldn't have anything to weigh you down. You see?

And I think you are a Libra? That is all about partnerships and harmony!! With an airy-fairy Sun you need some heavy energy...Enter Capricorn. Capricorn/Saturn shows us where we mature and feel secure.

Nearly everyone has squares in their charts. We all have energy to discover and learn to harness. We all have things we don't enjoy. But that is the blessing in astrology...you get to see all it and then learn how to use it to your advantage and when.

You want "hard"??? Try Sun sq Moon... Or Pluto sq Mars as a woman...in my 7th House. I have both of those. :kissing:
 

worstchartever

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Also, the squaring aspects involve SATURN (which is worse than any other planet, since Saturn rules hardship and suffering). And TWO squares with Saturn, with Sun and Mars, to boot.

I've heard that this is due to bad karma.

What the hell was I, Hitler in my past life? Jesus.
 

Hieronimuss

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I think Obama has a worse chart than yours. You have some very good placements. Let your moon on mc breathe more, that can make you popular, even though it's almost unaspected indicating possibly profound need for warmth. About Mars Sun conjunction: "You have a greater sense of power in asserting your will, and your aptitude for compromise is diminished. A tendency to develop a superiority complex is associated with this conjunction."

You have a lot to work with and that is good.


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Here is my birth chart. Not only is it 90% horrible aspects, I have a T-square with Jupiter-Saturn vs my Sun and Mars, as well as vs Jupiter-Neptune/Uranus.
[NO chart is inherently*horrible* they are as unique as your fingerprint]
The Capricorn stellium really effed things up for me. If only I wasn't born 3 weeks late, then I'd be a Virgo and my life would be cake.

What does this mean? Does this mean I'm kind of destined to suffer more than anyone else despite trying harder than anyone? Does this mean that I was born to struggle and fail?

EDIT: Included the picture!
Astrology can explain lots of things, especially regarding your personality, traits etc but it's entirely upto YOU to make changes in your life, you are the captin of your ship no-one else. Knowing astrology is not going to change you or do this for you! We all have to go through rough transits, to learn and to grow as a person, so in that regard you are no different...

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felkin

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Please post a somewhat normal looking chart. I normally don't care what they look like but yours are hard to read. Further, the link is expired on one... I am unable to pull it up.

Saturn is very misunderstood. There are plenty of books out there on the planet alone and you might want to research and find one that appeals to you, to learn about it, verses than using the blanket idea that it rules hardship and all things difficult. I fear Uranus and Pluto more actually, if we are talking about scary planets. Lol. Saturn just means work, maturity and lessons. That's it really. I'm not sure if you want us to tell you, "you have a bad chart" but if you do, then..."You have a bad chart". :whistling:

The fact you are concerned with it, should alone be of comfort to you, because those with really scary charts (think Joran van der Sloot - suspected of murdering Natalie Holloway) don't give a rip about astrology. So something in you, something GOOD, is propelling you to research to learn more about you. That is positive, no?

As I stated above, we ALL have things in our charts that are not so pretty. It's the learning of how to go beyond them that matters. We all have days where we wake up feeling like poo and think our lives are bleak. So, what is it that you really want to know? Are you having issues in your life regarding love? Career? School? Parents? Job? Money? Or are you just miserable in general? I don't know how old you are or where your Saturn sits, but if you haven't gone through your Saturn return yet, that could be a reason for feeling this way. If our Saturn return is close, I find that energy starts earlier than Saturn actually entering the house for the natal return.
 

waybread

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Your post makes me wonder how many charts you've looked at from other people! Honestly, there are very few "vanilla" charts out there. I've seen a few, and one of them was from a woman who was just knocked sidewise by the first really tough transit to hit her. It was as though she hadn't developed many inner resources to deal with adversity.

Moreover, squares indicate a sense of inner tension that needs to manifest itself in some way. Consequently it often shows up in people's careers, because the constantly push themselves to improve.

Oppositions are a call for balance. It's like Jupiter says, "Let's go!" and Saturn says, "Not so fast." Together the two of them need to work out a compromise that meets both of their needs.

You have a some nice trines and a sextile in your chart!! Plus you have several planets that are strengthened by being in their own signs: Saturn in Capricorn (can show administrative ability in the 10th house) Mercury in Virgo (some smart!), and Pluto in Scorpio.

So the key to working with astrology isn't bemoaning your chart. It is learning what are your strengths and assets, and starting to develop them consciously. With your 8th house focus and Jupiter trine Pluto, you'd probably be a natural for studying "occult" subjects.
 

Rebel Uranian

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Suffering is not something you just put up with. You go see a psychologist. I'm going and seeing a psychologist and I'm almost entirely lacking in water, as well as having one of the watery planets pitted.
 

dear_darkness

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Honestly, there are very few "vanilla" charts out there. I've seen a few, and one of them was from a woman who was just knocked sidewise by the first really tough transit to hit her. It was as though she hadn't developed many inner resources to deal with adversity.

this is v interesting. i only look up people's charts out of curiosity, and the most "vanilla" one i've come across was all harmonious aspects, inc. a grand trine, just venus sq moon, but it seemed like such a minor thing. and it seems like... his life is ok, esp outwardly, but nothing too intense. he's dropped hints he regrets it and the way his life has passed.
 
I agree, Waybread.

For example, my bf has the most charmed life you could imagine. He has a vanilla chart *except* pluto conjunct mars square the moon. I feel that tension is what SAVES him from being ineffective. He could easily drift through life with the rest of his chart, no need for personal growth, but that configuration makes him active in self-awareness and makes him go deeper emotionally and with his music giving him some much needed tension to keep him relevant, engaged in life.
 

worstchartever

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I've checked out a few charts... :whistling: Doesn't take long. xD

Anyway, I've never seen a chart that was ENTIRELY squares like mine is. I've seen charts with squares, but also a lot of trines. But mine is 100% cursed. :pouty:

Here's a snippet of my life's succession of failure after failure:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...ZR0FgOAjzKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20111027150811AAN014N

I'm not usually this whiny, and I never believed in astrology at all, but I'm just at my wit's end. I'm getting 3 hours of sleep a night, and all for nothing.
 
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dear_darkness

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I've checked out a few charts... :whistling: Doesn't take long. xD

Anyway, I've never seen a chart that was ENTIRELY squares like mine is. I've seen charts with squares, but also a lot of trines. But mine is 100% cursed. :pouty:

Well, you DO have trines and sextiles, so it cannot be 100%. And you keep forgetting the conjunctions, consider researching them as well

Also, take a look at your nodes, this is super-cool (well, in my opinion at the very least) :wink: :
http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/search/label/North Node Aquarius

(you might as well check what other karmic node combinations stand for for comparison, you might end up pleasantly surprised)
 

waybread

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WCE, I am sorry that you are so negative. Every planet in my chart is involved in a square or opposition! They have two "redeeming" trines and the generational Pluto-Neptune sextile, but honestly, that's it. I've gone through my share of being critical and negative about everything; but the older I get, the more I see it as a big waste of time that just detracts from life.

If I look at your linked post, I see your glass as "half full."

The bad news? You didn't get the call-back from your try-out. The good news? You can act well enough to try out for a film part to begin with; and there are more parts out there.

The bad news? The other directors didn't like your branding idea. The good news? Hey, you are on your student government board of directors! Plus, in the grand scheme of things, naming a store is truly a minor issue.

The bad news? You missed an assignment deadline. The good news? You're good enough to get into a university and to take a double major. With any luck, your prof will cut you some slack on a late submission.

The bad news? The boss from hell. The good news? Hey, you're employed--unlike 9% of the US population who are out of work. And maybe it's premature anyway to start up your own business while you're carrying a double major. First things first.

Why are you "so mediocre"??? Are you kidding me? I mean, it's not like you're the beauty school drop-out, pregnant at 15, addicted to crack, or stuck flipping burgers at Wendy's.

How many famous people have made something of themselves by age 21? Very few.

What do you expect life to be like?
 

capricorngrl

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WCE, try to really absorb the responses so that you can see that your chart is really not that horrible. Always something good comes out of something bad, trust me on this one. You should really consider reading a book about personal effectiveness. How we see and feel things is affected by our own perceptions. We cannot control what happens to us, but we can control how we behave and take it in. You are young and have so much life to live. Worrying and being negative is not going to make it better. My grandmother had a saying that would say "the sun comes out everyday equally for everyone". Make the best of everyday and don't waste another minute projecting negative thoughts onto yourself.

My life hasn't been cake either and I like Waybread have a bunch of squares and oppositions, but these serve their purpose. A chart that only has good aspects is not good either. A life of pure indulgence has no flavor. How boring would that be. Try to change your attitude towards life and you'll see things in a different light.

Lighten up and best of luck
 

cirrus1

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I have a lot of squares and oppositions in my chart, but I've made it work so far. You have to look more on the bright side. Stop being so hard on yourself - I'm the same way too. You made a mistake or two, you can learn from it and try again. You're pretty young (younger than me if your Yahoo question is accurate), you have plenty of time to make something of yourself.
 

mirthyQ

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Do you believe in reincarnation? Time for you to start reeling in your excessive ways. You have the double signiture here - the moon in sag and jupiter in cancer - Maybe you had a few resources in your past - do you think?

You should thank someone (God?) for your being blessed with saturn squares and saturn exalted in its own sign capricorn - you've obviously earned this through hard work (in previous lives). Now you have all of these gifts and saturn there helping you to put them to practical use - what a curse!

Poor guy.
 
Here's the chart from Astro.com...

Apparently I'm watery, too. So I "feel" the suffering more. ******* great.
You can get an immediate chart interpretation from astro.com. From ‘free horoscopes tab look for free 'personal portrait' interpretation of a natal chart in the free horoscope section, you simply put the cursor on a planet and it brings a pop up box to explain what it means to have a planet in that house and any other aspects it has to natal planets. plus a six month free transit report in 'short report' Robert Hand gives a valuable in depth explanation of transits here – only slight objection I have with astro, is they use orbs of upto maybe 10' approaching, exact and departing. So most transits seem very long in effect. I use more realistic orbs of 1' approaching, 1' exact and 1' departing.
http://www.khaldea.com/ephemcenter.shtml

here is my favourite online ephemeris which plots where the planets are for hundreds of years...

that stellium in cappi are generational planets, it's only when making aspects to personal planets that they are really felt. T squares are *THE* most common aspect configurations going...


T Square
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_tsquare.shtml
“Two planets in opposition squared to a third. The tension typical of the opposition aspect is aggravated by additional problems introduced by the third planet. Often an obstructive feature blocking the normal flow of behaviour of the person. Person needs to develop activities represented by the "missing" arm of the T-square to achieve wholeness”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
“The t-square is exactly like the above configuration except that one of the signs is missing. Time and again this is described as trying to sit in a chair with three legs. Ironically, the individual becomes the fourth leg by acting out the traits which are missing in the chart.”
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/moreaspects2.htm

what tends to happen with T Squares is that a transit, progression or solar arc comes along and temporary converts it to a Grand Square, which does cause enormous tensions/problems internally, but the good thing is the get you up off your backside to resolve issues.
 
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