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I think one could obviate any need for any anthropomorphism in the study and practice of talismans if -
- One accepts the hermetic principle of "as above, so below". Does astrology work? Is there at least any astrological effects that can be verified scientifically? The Gauquelin studies seems to be a positive mark in the favour of astrology working.
- One accepts that there are supersensible laws that science cannot or will not investigate.
- One accepts that science has not cracked the code of consciousness.
- that one believes that magic is technical and requires no belief - but the proper working of an operation in order to get a specific result. Often times what is used to verify is repeated and similar effects from practitioners, or having an experience and then seeing it verified in later research - ensuring that one didn't induce that effect in oneself
- that one accepts that magic works on the subjective realms - meaning that the proper way to verify occult effects aren't strictly scientific in the modern sense of the word. And also that there is an objective constitution of that subjective realm, that can be accurately mapped by occult techniques and practices.
- One accepts that there is more to reality than our 3 dimensional experience and the infallibility of our sense impressions, and that all these dimensions are intertwined with one another in a way where they can effect each other. In Jung's treatment on synchronicity, he pulls on the works J. B. Rhine where the guesses of those who partook in the study of the right symbol showing up on a randomly generated sequence of cards was much more than statistically expected. It was shown that the more the test subject was interested and believed in the rightness of their result, the more they made the right call. It was also shown that no matter the disparity in time or space, that the results remained the same, in some cases showed even more positive results. This indicates that whatever process is occuring in the process of guessing/divining , it's not bounded by time nor space. A book that might provide a different perspective on what constitutes the universe and how it works is "A Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot http://www.rybn.org/ANTI/ADMXI/docu...Michael_Talbot_-_The_Holographic_Universe.pdf
- One accepts that spiritual forces aren't "like us" in that they are constituted in a human-like way. Many practitioners report angels actually being more akin to platonic solids, for example. However, spiritual forces have to communicate to us in some fashion, and those who are less familiar with the true nature of a being will see that being through their imaginative faculties first and foremost - which often means the mainstream Christian view of baby faced winged cherubs with smooth skin and golden halos above their heads.
- One accepts that magic is primarily practiced and experienced. And that one is allowed to experiment with and verify the claims made by the various magical practitioners and texts, to see if they have any efficacy whatsoever. Not the scientific method, but certainly the scientific spirit.
- That astrological effects can be manipulated and that objects that are sympathetic to the nature of the planetary force can be augmented by the proper operations at the requisite time (working on a piece of lead on a Saturday in the hour of Saturn) in order to multiply the energy signature of the operated upon object
- One doesn't take the anthropomorphic language of the texts too literally. There is the pardes method of the kabbalists and the 4 ways of interpreting religious/spiritual texts by the perennialist school that indicates that there are at least 3 other ways of interpretation apart from the literal reading of a passage of a text.
- One doesn't see the talisman as an idol like a Zemi would be to the arawaks, but an artifact that facilitates that energetic pattern to manifest in one's life, the contemplation of which will result in a better understanding and facility with said energy, and thus more likely to result in positive outcomes after sufficient mastery has been gained. That's probably why beginners aren't recommended to work with Mars or Saturn because of their harsher effects at the outset, especially if it's a problematic energy to deal with for the operator.
- The talisman is viewed as a "captured transit" where instead of waiting for a transit of a certain planet to a point in your chart to begin working on that energy, that you have that energy in such a form as it can be worked with regardless of what's going on in the sky at that moment in time.
No recourse needs to be made to an anthropomorphic deity to partake in the process of creating talismans. As to its efficacy, one should experiment and find out for oneself. Endless theorising on the matter is useless.
- One accepts the hermetic principle of "as above, so below". Does astrology work? Is there at least any astrological effects that can be verified scientifically? The Gauquelin studies seems to be a positive mark in the favour of astrology working.
- One accepts that there are supersensible laws that science cannot or will not investigate.
- One accepts that science has not cracked the code of consciousness.
- that one believes that magic is technical and requires no belief - but the proper working of an operation in order to get a specific result. Often times what is used to verify is repeated and similar effects from practitioners, or having an experience and then seeing it verified in later research - ensuring that one didn't induce that effect in oneself
- that one accepts that magic works on the subjective realms - meaning that the proper way to verify occult effects aren't strictly scientific in the modern sense of the word. And also that there is an objective constitution of that subjective realm, that can be accurately mapped by occult techniques and practices.
- One accepts that there is more to reality than our 3 dimensional experience and the infallibility of our sense impressions, and that all these dimensions are intertwined with one another in a way where they can effect each other. In Jung's treatment on synchronicity, he pulls on the works J. B. Rhine where the guesses of those who partook in the study of the right symbol showing up on a randomly generated sequence of cards was much more than statistically expected. It was shown that the more the test subject was interested and believed in the rightness of their result, the more they made the right call. It was also shown that no matter the disparity in time or space, that the results remained the same, in some cases showed even more positive results. This indicates that whatever process is occuring in the process of guessing/divining , it's not bounded by time nor space. A book that might provide a different perspective on what constitutes the universe and how it works is "A Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot http://www.rybn.org/ANTI/ADMXI/docu...Michael_Talbot_-_The_Holographic_Universe.pdf
- One accepts that spiritual forces aren't "like us" in that they are constituted in a human-like way. Many practitioners report angels actually being more akin to platonic solids, for example. However, spiritual forces have to communicate to us in some fashion, and those who are less familiar with the true nature of a being will see that being through their imaginative faculties first and foremost - which often means the mainstream Christian view of baby faced winged cherubs with smooth skin and golden halos above their heads.
- One accepts that magic is primarily practiced and experienced. And that one is allowed to experiment with and verify the claims made by the various magical practitioners and texts, to see if they have any efficacy whatsoever. Not the scientific method, but certainly the scientific spirit.
- That astrological effects can be manipulated and that objects that are sympathetic to the nature of the planetary force can be augmented by the proper operations at the requisite time (working on a piece of lead on a Saturday in the hour of Saturn) in order to multiply the energy signature of the operated upon object
- One doesn't take the anthropomorphic language of the texts too literally. There is the pardes method of the kabbalists and the 4 ways of interpreting religious/spiritual texts by the perennialist school that indicates that there are at least 3 other ways of interpretation apart from the literal reading of a passage of a text.
- One doesn't see the talisman as an idol like a Zemi would be to the arawaks, but an artifact that facilitates that energetic pattern to manifest in one's life, the contemplation of which will result in a better understanding and facility with said energy, and thus more likely to result in positive outcomes after sufficient mastery has been gained. That's probably why beginners aren't recommended to work with Mars or Saturn because of their harsher effects at the outset, especially if it's a problematic energy to deal with for the operator.
- The talisman is viewed as a "captured transit" where instead of waiting for a transit of a certain planet to a point in your chart to begin working on that energy, that you have that energy in such a form as it can be worked with regardless of what's going on in the sky at that moment in time.
No recourse needs to be made to an anthropomorphic deity to partake in the process of creating talismans. As to its efficacy, one should experiment and find out for oneself. Endless theorising on the matter is useless.
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