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Unread 07-25-2019, 09:22 PM
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Psychopathy and Venus

After extensive observational research via charts in the astrodentist databank, books, and life experience, I've noticed what appears to be a connection between the planet Venus and psychopathy. I was studying the charts of Nazis in the database to see if I noticed any patterns when surprisingly, I noticed quite a few had strong Venus placements, especially in their "Big 3" (Sun, Moon, ASC)....this surprised me. So I started looking in other charts of famous psychopaths, and more than not (who's charts are public) seemed to have some Venus connection.


Sometimes Mercury is involved, possibly because the signs ruled by Mercury are mutable (changeable, maybe unpredictable)? Has anyone else noticed a Venus connection with violence/psychopathy?


(Note: Obviously, this does not mean people who have strong Venus/etc placements are psychopaths. I do not have even close to enough research re any planet to make that assumption nor do I think any planetary aspect or planet alone would determine this. 3/4 of my granparents have Venus ruling their sun or moon, my dad is Libra+Libra rising, my husband is Libra rising/12th house Libra/Taurus ruling his 8th and they are all wonderful people.)


I'm going to post a few charts of well known murderers. Hitler, and the Columbine shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Does anyone have an idea why the planet of beauty and love could have such a presence in the charts of psychopaths? Are there any other well known psychopaths who have a strong Venus placements? Should I pay more attention to the opposite sign in the Big 3/personal planets (since the opposite signs from Taurus and Libra=Scorpio and Aries)? As a researcher I find this incredibly interesting... I'd love to hear what you think.



Keep in mind the natural house rulers of the 1-7 = Aries-Libra , 2-8 = Taurus-Scorpio; critical degrees, especially "the murder degree" 18-19 degree of Libra or Aries; The placement of their opposites, Aries and Scorpio; both positive/negative aspects; the lucky asteroids; & Mercury. For science *~.^*


First, Adolf Hitler.

Sun critical degrees of Taurus in 7th house Aries
(Mercury in Aries in 6th house Aries)
Venus in Taurus in 7th house Aries
Mars in Taurus in 7th house Aries
Uranus in murder degree Libra in 12th house Libra
Neptune in critical degree Gemini in 8th house Taurus
Pluto in critical degree Gemini in 8th house Taurus
Vertex in Taurus in 8th house Taurus

Lilith in Gemini in 8th house Taurus

Vesta in Taurus in 7th house Aries

Fortuna in Libra in 12th house Libra
Midas in critical degree Gemini in 8th house Taurus

12th & 1st house ruled by Libra

8th house ruled by Taurus



Aspects :
Venus Conj Mars
Venus trine Jupiter

Venus square Saturn
Venus sextile North node
(Mars trine Moon
Mars trine Jupiter

Mars square Saturn
Mars sextile North node)
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Unread 07-25-2019, 09:36 PM
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Re: Psychopathy and Venus

Eric Harris, Columbine Shooter



(Sun in murder degree Aries in 11th house Aries)
Moon in Gemini in 12th house critical degree Taurus

(Mercury in Aries in 7th house Pisces)
(Venus in Aries in 11th house Aries)
(Mars in murder degree Aries in 11th house Aries)
Jupiter in Libra in 4th house Virgo
Saturn in Libra in 4th house Virgo
Uranus in critical degree Scorpio in 5th house Libra
(Neptune in Sag in 6th house critical degree Scorpio)

Pluto in Libra in 5th house Libra
Pallas in Taurus in 11th house Aries

Tyche in Taurus in 11th house Aries

(Fortuna in Sag in 6th house critical degree Scorpio)
Midas in Taurus in 11th House Aries


Aspects:
Venus conj Sun
Venus sextile Moon
Venus conj Mars

Venus trine Neptune
Venus opposite Pluto
(Mars conj Sun
Mars trine Neptune
Mars opposite Pluto)
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Re: Psychopathy and Venus

Dyland Klebold, Columbine shooter



Mercury in Libra in 12th house Virgo
Venus in Libra in 1st house murder degree Libra
Jupiter in critical degree Libra in 12th house Virgo
Saturn in Libra in 12th house Virgo
(Uranus in Scorpio in 2nd house Scorpio)
Pluto in critical degree Libra in 1st house murder degree Libra
Chiron in critical degree Taurus in 8th house Taurus
Vesta in murder degree Libra in 1st house murder degree Libra
(Fortuna in Sag in 2nd house Scorpio)


ASC murder degree Libra

DSC murder degree Aries

2nd house Scorpio

8th House Taurus


Aspects:

Venus square Mars

Venus conj Pluto
Venus square nodes

Venus sextile Pallas

Venus square Tyche
Venus conj ASC

Venus square MC

(Mars Sextile Saturn
Mars trine Uranus
Mars trine Fortuna)
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After extensive observational research via charts in the astrodentist databank, books, and life experience, I've noticed what appears to be a connection between the planet Venus and psychopathy. I was studying the charts of Nazis in the database to see if I noticed any patterns when surprisingly, I noticed quite a few had strong Venus placements, especially in their "Big 3" (Sun, Moon, ASC)....this surprised me. So I started looking in other charts of famous psychopaths, and more than not (who's charts are public) seemed to have some Venus connection.


Sometimes Mercury is involved, possibly because the signs ruled by Mercury are mutable (changeable, maybe unpredictable)? Has anyone else noticed a Venus connection with violence/psychopathy?


(Note: Obviously, this does not mean people who have strong Venus/etc placements are psychopaths. I do not have even close to enough research re any planet to make that assumption nor do I think any planetary aspect or planet alone would determine this. 3/4 of my granparents have Venus ruling their sun or moon, my dad is Libra+Libra rising, my husband is Libra rising/12th house Libra/Taurus ruling his 8th and they are all wonderful people.)


I'm going to post a few charts of well known murderers. Hitler, and the Columbine shooters Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. Does anyone have an idea why the planet of beauty and love could have such a presence in the charts of psychopaths? Are there any other well known psychopaths who have a strong Venus placements? Should I pay more attention to the opposite sign in the Big 3/personal planets (since the opposite signs from Taurus and Libra=Scorpio and Aries)? As a researcher I find this incredibly interesting... I'd love to hear what you think.



Keep in mind the natural house rulers of the 1-7 = Aries-Libra , 2-8 = Taurus-Scorpio; critical degrees, especially "the murder degree" 18-19 degree of Libra or Aries; The placement of their opposites, Aries and Scorpio; both positive/negative aspects; the lucky asteroids; & Mercury. For science *~.^*


First, Adolf Hitler.

Sun critical degrees of Taurus in 7th house Aries
(Mercury in Aries in 6th house Aries)
Venus in Taurus in 7th house Aries
Mars in Taurus in 7th house Aries
Uranus in murder degree Libra in 12th house Libra
Neptune in critical degree Gemini in 8th house Taurus
Pluto in critical degree Gemini in 8th house Taurus
Vertex in Taurus in 8th house Taurus

Lilith in Gemini in 8th house Taurus

Vesta in Taurus in 7th house Aries

Fortuna in Libra in 12th house Libra
Midas in critical degree Gemini in 8th house Taurus

12th & 1st house ruled by Libra

8th house ruled by Taurus



Aspects :
Venus Conj Mars
Venus trine Jupiter

Venus square Saturn
Venus sextile North node
(Mars trine Moon
Mars trine Jupiter

Mars square Saturn
Mars sextile North node)
You know what! Iíve noticed libra going a bit loopy Lou but I always thought it was the imbalance. This one girl I knew was proper psycho her head was messed up and she always argued with ppl almost gaslighting them! She was a nasty gossip and then nice as our tonppl later!
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Re: Psychopathy and Venus

I find these things kind of difficult to abstract in this way, but it is good you posted the charts. An exalted or very strong Venus in the chart of a man could illustrate a tendency for idealization and disappointment with the right aspects and supporting placements. Of course, we are talking about men here. How does that particular fact factor into your intuition around this issue?

It is a little hard for me to look at the basic aspects because you have included a lot of research information with asteroids It would be helpful to know how you are using these in the analysis.

However it looks like in the chart of Hitler there is a Saturn square Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus, where Venus has two real problems.

In the chart of Eric Harris you have also Venus and Mars conjunct in Aries (with sun between), and Pluto opposing these on the MC/IC axis, so ... Venus does not seem happy in either of these cases.

The Klebold chart seems to fit your criteria? Libra rising, Venus in Libra in 1st.
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Re: Psychopathy and Venus

I had to update with the aspects, oops! All of them fit my observation of strong Venus placements (One of the big 3=Sun/Moon/ASC ruled by Venus+); I included Mars ruled signs because I'm wondering if it's more about balance of the Venus-Mars axes than the planets alone themselves?



Great question! I have considered these are men-I think men may have more of a biological predisposition to violence (due to something as simple as testosterone/etc). Not that men are better or women are better, but for research I need data, and men provide this I tried looking up charts of a few female murderers and their charts (with time of birth) were not online/publicly posted. (Although, the charts of Eva Braun and Clara Petacci were.) If you know of any female psychopaths who's charts are online please let me know, I'd love to take a look at them.
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