Taurus or Gemini???

My AC is a bit questionable because it is at 2.53 deg. Gemini... It could might as well be Taurus if I were born a few minutes earlier. Im no good at correcting charts by transits anyway! So in your oppinion from my appearance do I look more like early Gemini or late Taurus?

Forgot the photos... Here are some different ones.

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It would be helpful if you could post at least one picture of yourself, without your glasses, with your head directly facing the camera. Perhaps you also can find one in which your bangs do not obscure your forehead? More experienced astrologers probably could work with the pictures you've provided, but I'm still learning how to identify the physical characteristics of Ascendant signs.

Finally, could you post your natal chart? Often, chart factors other than the Ascendant sign influence appearance.

Arian Maverick

P.S. You probably hear this all of the time, but your boyfriend looks like Tom Felton--the actor who plays Draco Malfoy in the Harry Potter films!

Ill try to find a better photo Everyone says my boyfriend looks like the little boy from "Home alone" Mc culkin something I think? So this one is new

My natal chart is already up there below my photos.

Correcting your time of birth to the true Sun/Zodiac time* for that date (civil birth time is 6:30 pm; true time-the Sun/Zodiac birth time-is 6:43 pm), the ascending degree moves forward in Gemini and is (truly is, if you follow the Sun/Zodiac rather than man-made time conventions) 8 degrees Gemini. So, for me, your ascendant is definitely Gemini; but you look more like a Taurus than a Geminip-why? Your Part of Spirit (asc+moon-sun which is the night formula for the Part of Spirit) falls at 28 Taurus-I think your Taurean-ruled Part of Spirit shines all the way through to your physical body, and, for you, might be a more important factor than the Gemini ascendant...




*...as opposed to civil time-see my explanation regarding this issue of civil vs Sun/zodiac time in my post of 4/06/10 to the thread "Confusion about the Part of Fortune" in the Fixed Stars section here on AW; it is the issue of local standard time vs local apparent time, man-made time conventions vs the actual connection of the Sun and zodiac with "real" time; this time vs space disconnection occured beginning in the late 1700's: previously astrologers were never confronted with this problem because they measured time exactly by the Sun. This is the real reason (or at least a major reason) why ascendant degrees are often incorrect, but not only in natal but additionally in all forms of astrology where the chart is erected for the given civil (standard) time: enter "Daily Sun Data" on Google and see how the Sun time varies day to day from civil time (clock time) to see what I am talking about.

I see... I dont know so much about this part of spirit.

My part of fortune and NN are also in taurus. I recognize some of the traits described by gemini like being interested in mental tasks and education. Also "the cameleon look": that people always try to guess where I come from and its always something completely different and wrong each time Sound like a gemini thing....

But do you advance the ascendant off all people in general 13 minutes? Or does it depend?

It depends upon the daily Sun data (google that and you will see a list of the variations of the Sun/zodiac time from clock time, on any given day of the year)

Some days the Sun/zodiac is ahead of clock (civil or local standard time) time, other days its behind the clock time; the difference varies from a minute or so (and may be entirely ignored) up to as much as 16 minutes (which, of course, can't really be ignored in calculations of the birth or horary or event time)

The Part of Fortune you get in Taurus is because you are using the day formula: a strongly vocal minority of astrologers use the day formula exclusively: the majority follow the prevalent tradition and use the day formula for daylight births/events/and horary questions, and the night formula for these during the dark hours: the same reversal of formula (day vs night) is applied to calculating the Part of Spirit: I follow the day vs night formula tradition-your birth was in the dark hours, so using the night formula your Part of Spirit is in the place (Taurus) where (using the day only formula) your Part of Fortune is shown: either way, though, your Part of Spirit (or, if you insist upon the day-only formula, your Part of Fortune) is in Taurus, and I think this might be why you physically appear "more like a Taurus" than a Gemini (in my own case, I look nothing like my ascending sign, Virgo; and exactly like my sun-sign, Taurus; mentally, however, Virgo characterizes me very strongly, with some Taurus and a bit of Pisces {place of the Moon in my natal chart} coloring my emotional-reactive tendencies)

Dont know if this is so much to help, cause everyone is saying taurus anyway

Vagabondgirl said:

Dont know if this is so much to help, cause everyone is saying taurus anyway

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v346/135/62/517202165/n517202165_1451347_6968.jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v346/135/62/517202165/n517202165_1433104_671.jpg

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I'm one who voted in the poll for Taurus too!

I prefer the use of solar arcs for rectification so---

age 18 SA Neptune conj MC did anyone disappear from your life? die or deceptions around?

Age 11 SA ASc conj chiron - any kind of physical injury or psychological wounding??

Age 20 SA MC onto Jupiter - travel, expansion socially or jobwise??

Solar Arcs
Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc. Another example is my Pluto is 28' Leo in 7th house and my Uranus is 3' Leo in same house to subtract these and you get age 25. That year my then husband and I had an almighty explosion (Uranus) and transformation (Pluto) of that marriage that started the demise and ultimate ending thereof....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression
http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf

Rectification of birth time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0G2S2Ti4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMX9X2C1BQ&NR=1
· Transiting Pluto square, conj opp Asc, Desc, MC, IC
· If under 12’ when it conj an Angle then their age was under age 12 it’s parents adjustments. A death, change within father’s work, a separation, remarriage.
· Adults or teens, 1st job, identity transformation MC.
· Pluto conj Desc = death, health concerns, geographic, significant relationship or break up, but has to be ‘life transforming’
· Also try transiting Neptune, something dissolving, disappearing, confusing etc.
· Timings of transits… is it the 1st hit? More often it’s the middle retrograde hit… but could be the last direct hit also. 1’ =4minutes in time.

Dr. Farr's data is fascinating, but what if we're working with a rounded birth time? I become suspicious whenever I see a chart set for an "even" time such as 6:30 PM.

Arian Maverick

Hi,

I've gone for Taurus in the polls. Your strong neck and your composed (outward) countenance (in the pics, at least) scream Taurus to me.

AQ7

Aries rising.

Ascendant Sign Descriptions

Aries rising.

Ascendant Sign Descriptions

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Can you expand upon your Aries Rising description, Kannon? This completely through me.

Arian Maverick

I know I looked at her picture a while back and we were all thinking Taurus or Gemini? I believe that Aries came to mind, but I didn't mention it.

If you simply compare her picture to the Cardinal Asc sign people ...
Ascendant Sign Descriptions ... you will see that she matches. Having her sun in Libra is not enough to create this. Best I can tell from her nice pictures here, her correct Asc sign is Aries. Her chin is especially Aries. Many females never show the 'bony ovate' or chiseled ovate pattern. Instead, they show a generally rounded facial outline, much softer, cheeks more padded. But part of the face will show the specific sign, not just that it fits the cardinal pattern of roundedness. Her chin juts a bit bluntly - at least in this one [ http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1428/135/62/517202165/n517202165_1701067_3640.jpg ] and this one [ http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs080.ash2/37349_455330952165_517202165_5999200_6330687_n.jpg ] . Aries.

IF this chart is based on a certified birth time, then I look for the correct sign in the time frame about 4-1/2 hours previous or about 40 min after. Whichever one fits most is the correct Asc sign.

Taurus and the guy look alike Macaulay Culkin !

Arian Maverick said:

Dr. Farr's data is fascinating, but what if we're working with a rounded birth time? I become suspicious whenever I see a chart set for an "even" time such as 6:30 PM.

Arian Maverick

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Although the degree of Gemini would change, the ascending sign would hold accurate if the birth time were well before, or well after, the (civil) 6:30 pm time on the birth certificate.

This case does testify that the apparent (or mechanical) ascendant does not necessarily show forth in the physical form of the individual. In the hermetic astrological tradition which I follow the idea that the (mechanical or apparent) ascendant shows the body (or eyes or face) has long been considered as the being an exception, rather than the rule-actually the ascendant (in this hermetic tradition) is regarded as being connected more with the "essence" (invisible inner essence) of the manifesting individual, with the face and body of the person generally attributed more to the Sun, Moon or Part of Fortune zodiacal position (and these positions not only of the rather diffuse entire zodiacal sign, but further modified by the decan and duodenary placement as well, all blended together)

hello u are very pretty ~when i first saw ur pictures i thought taurus rising
then reading along it also looks like most people think so as well

astrologer50 said:

I prefer the use of solar arcs for rectification so---

age 18 SA Neptune conj MC did anyone disappear from your life? die or deceptions around?

Age 11 SA ASc conj chiron - any kind of physical injury or psychological wounding??

Age 20 SA MC onto Jupiter - travel, expansion socially or jobwise??

Solar Arcs
Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc. Another example is my Pluto is 28' Leo in 7th house and my Uranus is 3' Leo in same house to subtract these and you get age 25. That year my then husband and I had an almighty explosion (Uranus) and transformation (Pluto) of that marriage that started the demise and ultimate ending thereof....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression
http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf

Rectification of birth time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0G2S2Ti4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMX9X2C1BQ&NR=1
· Transiting Pluto square, conj opp Asc, Desc, MC, IC
· If under 12’ when it conj an Angle then their age was under age 12 it’s parents adjustments. A death, change within father’s work, a separation, remarriage.
· Adults or teens, 1st job, identity transformation MC.
· Pluto conj Desc = death, health concerns, geographic, significant relationship or break up, but has to be ‘life transforming’
· Also try transiting Neptune, something dissolving, disappearing, confusing etc.
· Timings of transits… is it the 1st hit? More often it’s the middle retrograde hit… but could be the last direct hit also. 1’ =4minutes in time.

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My stepfather died when I was around 15...

When I was 19 my exboyfriend broke up with me, it was around november 2004 I think. I also left home around this same age, started university.

At 11 I cannot recall, nothing special I assume.

My mum left us when I was around 5 around 1990.

Actually Age almost 22 when I travelled to Poland to start studying there abroad. I planned this since I was 20-21 I think.

I got married 07.07.07 and then seperated the year after exactly. Can one see this somewhere?

templeton said:

Are you just curious what other people think you look like or are you truly uncertain as to what your rising sign is?

There should be no confusion between these two ascendants as one is very fast in movement, thought and speech and the other quite slow in comparison. Gemini ascendants are restless, talkative and tend to be extroverted and outgoing by nature. Taurus ascendants move at a leisurely pace and are much less spontaneous. They can be very shy but also humble and reliable.

Just watch how you move. Are you perpetually in motion, not able to sit still, have tons of nervous energy that you need to burn off? Or do you like to take your time when you do things?

I voted for Taurus too btw, I see a bit of yourself in me. Same shaped head and neck as I do.



Her birth time would have to be wrong by at least one hour then. The clock would have had to been broke or the Doctor inebriated for your theory to be correct.

If the birth time is off by a matter of minutes, the only other possibility is Taurus rising.

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No, youre describing my boyfriend now! He is VERY talkactive, seriously cant sit still, and talks in the phone ALL the time, whereas I hate it.... He is sagitaurus rising with percury conjunct. People perceive me as calm and almost shy-like in public, if the crowd is bigger than 2 people and if its with people I dont know that much. But I have moon, mars, venus in Virgo.....So cant it be the reason too? Im more of a mental person than a physical one I think. And I dont believe I can be anything like Aries in personality, Im too shy and calm for it I think?

Im pretty sure I was born in the evening. I dont think the midwife is so studpid According to my mum she was one of the best.

I think Im more slow than quick, although not too slow in the head I like to relax and take it easy whever I have the chance. But usually the past years I have been a bit of a multitasker when it comes to juggling work, school, more school and the rest.

I dont know if its indicated somewhere else in my chart, but I think I have some kind of talent in foreign languages. And mum told me that I spoke at a very early age compared to the rest of my siblings. I assume both this and being a multitasker is a gemini trait?