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Yup, I know things have been explained, and some have been explained to death but I still don't agree.
14th Dalai Lama - Jupiter in 5th house with Placidus House system AND Whole Sign House system

No children
no adopted children
not necessarily SOLELY 'surrounded by young ones'

In fact
from birth and for most of his life
14th Dalai Lama was daily accompanied by people many decades older than himself


Years passed and the 14th Dalai Lama is currently 78
so is obviously older than many of the people he meets
People aged 78 are USUALLY older than most of the people they meet
Dalai Lama however regularly meets with vast crowds and is frequently surrounded by people of ALL ages

date of birth: 6 July 1935 at 04:38 AM
in: Tengster Village, Tibet



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For Dalai Lama, in whole sign system and using traditional rulership, Jupiter placed in 5th rules his 6th daily routine, 9th house religion and philosophy. In Placidus and modern rulership, his Jupiter rules 6th house with modern ruler 1st Pluto in Cancer ruling Jupiter.

In both systems, Jupiter trine Sun in Cancer which is Jupiter's exaltation. Ascendant Cancer>Moon in Virgo>Mercury in Gemini in 12th (12th house ruler placed in 12th) actually square MC. A lot of indicator about his career as famous spiritual leader.

In Placidus for exmple, his 5th/11th actually continue intercepted signs Scorpio and Taurus. Intercepted signs are both blockage and hidden talent. In his case, we can't say he is weak instead his talent in international networking and expressive religious teaching/messenger. See also below.

Whole Sign/Traditional: 9th house Saturn Rx in Pisces>5th house Jupiter in Scorpio>Mars in Libra>Venus in Leo>Sun in Cancer>Moon in Virgo>Mercury in Gemini 12th

Whole Sigh/Modern rulership: 9th house Saturn Rx in Pisces>Neptune in Virgo>Mercury in Gemini 12th

Placidus/Modern rulership: 9th house Aquaurus>Uranus in Taurus>Venus in Leo>Sun in Cancer>Moon in Virgo>Mercury in Gemini 12th

Placidus/Traditional rulership: 9th house Aquaurus>Saturn in Pisces>Jupiter in Scorpio>Mars in Libra>Venus in Leo>Sun in Cancer>Moon in Virgo>Mercury in Gemini 12th
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Maybe Dalai Lama is not born at exactly this time at all - maybe his chart is not right
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For Dalai Lama, in whole sign system and using traditional rulership, Jupiter placed in 5th rules his 6th daily routine, 9th house religion and philosophy. In Placidus and modern rulership, his Jupiter rules 6th house with modern ruler 1st Pluto in Cancer ruling Jupiter.

In both systems, Jupiter trine Sun in Cancer which is Jupiter's exaltation. Ascendant Cancer>Moon in Virgo>Mercury in Gemini in 12th (12th house ruler placed in 12th) actually square MC. A lot of indicator about his career as famous spiritual leader.

In Placidus for exmple, his 5th/11th actually continue intercepted signs Scorpio and Taurus. Intercepted signs are both blockage and hidden talent. In his case, we can't say he is weak instead his talent in international networking and expressive religious teaching/messenger. See also below.

Whole Sign/Traditional: 9th house Saturn Rx in Pisces>5th house Jupiter in Scorpio>Mars in Libra>Venus in Leo>Sun in Cancer>Moon in Virgo>Mercury in Gemini 12th

Whole Sigh/Modern rulership: 9th house Saturn Rx in Pisces>Neptune in Virgo>Mercury in Gemini 12th

Placidus/Modern rulership: 9th house Aquaurus>Uranus in Taurus>Venus in Leo>Sun in Cancer>Moon in Virgo>Mercury in Gemini 12th

Placidus/Traditional rulership: 9th house Aquaurus>Saturn in Pisces>Jupiter in Scorpio>Mars in Libra>Venus in Leo>Sun in Cancer>Moon in Virgo>Mercury in Gemini 12th
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Traditional Astrology

For discussions on Traditional Astrology only.

(Note: Typically, traditional astrology is defined as using techniques developed prior to 1700

by astrologers from the Hellenistic, Persian, Hebrew, and Renassiance eras. Specifically it relies on Ptolemaic aspects (sextile, trine, square, opposition and conjunction) and exludes modern planets (Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,) non-Ptolemaic aspects, as well as any asteroids. The focus is less on what would be considered modern psychological chart interpretetation and more on prediction. Members who wish to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas should feel free to start a new thread in an appropriate forum for further discussion.)

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'....typically traditional astrology is defined as using techniques developed prior to 1700...'

and Placidus system appeared only in 17th Century Placidus de Tito 1603-1668. Born in Italy was a monk and mathemetician at the University of Padua

Therefore Placidus system is excluded from our discussions and I should not have mentioned it!!!!

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I used Placidus for decades (with very good results) In the early 1990's whole sign (which had been lost until that time, except among Jamini Vedic astrologers) began to be rediscovered (as the works of the Hellenist authors began being translated)-I learned of it in 1998, it appealed to me, and when I tested it out I obtained even better (clearer, more accurate) results than I had with Placidus: I have continued to use whole sign (aka "sign = house") exclusively, since that time.

Basically there are 2 types of house division systems: quadrant and non-quadrant.
-non-quadrant formats are whole sign and Equal house
-quadrant formats are all of the rest

Historically, whole sign house format was the original method of house division (Equal house, very closely related to whole sign, may also have originated in very early times)
The earliest quadrant format was Porphyry, although this method was not applied to domification (chart house division) until around the late 5th/early 6th century.
-whole sign format suddenly disappeared (except among Jaimini Vedic astrologers of India) around the late 8th/early 9th century (and remained forgotten, unknown-at least in the West-for the next nearly 1200 years)...
-whole sign was replaced largely by the quadrant Alchabitius format at that time (although Porphyry remained a minority house division format) Alchabitius dominated house division up through about the 13th century...
-the quadrant Campanus format arose around that time, but never really gained much popularity
-next came the Regiomontanus quadrant format, which swept in and dominated European astrology for a couple hundred years, until...
-the quadrant Placidus format appeared in the 17th century: this system rapidly supplanted Regiomontanus (and the remnants of Campanus, Porphyry and Alchabitius) and became the predominant house system in Western astrology (in Vedic astrology during the centuries mentioned Equal house predominanted-as it does today-with a variation of Porphyry-called "sripati" in Vedic astrology-running close in popular application)...
-the other significant quadrant format, developed over the past century or so and a rival to Placidus especially among 20th/21st century European astrologers, is Koch...
-beginning around the middle of the 20th century, some Modernist astrologers began using the oldtime Equal house system, and continue to do so at the present time.

Currently, quadrant house systems (Placidus and Koch) dominate in Western astrology, with Equal house a distant 3rd (whole sign has been gaining adherents but still has only a small % of practitioners in its ranks) Contemporary Traditionalists mostly use either Placidus or Regiomontanus (with a very few using Alchabitius or whole sign)
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Maybe Dalai Lama is not born at exactly this time at all - maybe his chart is not right
Exactly - perhaps no-one's chart is accurate
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I see. I was just doing my usual pathway of comparing both. Forgot this is traditional forum.

Dalai Lama, I used the Astro-Databank chart which is rated as A by Rodden. In Tibet they are very serious about astrology in fact, but enclosed within their own language group only like Chinese astrology. But this is side topic so won't mention too much.
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I see. I was just doing my usual pathway of comparing both. Forgot this is traditional forum.

Dalai Lama, I used the Astro-Databank chart which is rated as A by Rodden. In Tibet they are very serious about astrology in fact, but enclosed within their own language group only like Chinese astrology. But this is side topic so won't mention too much.
I mentioned Placidus initially because the chart I viewed had been created in Placidus and I also neglected to consider that this the traditional forum - it's easily done. Tibetans are very serious indeed regarding astrology and there is a form in fact of Tibetan astrology that I have briefly studied in the past. In future I shall remember to not mention Placidus or I shall have to censure myself

To return to topic, of course the 5th house may be connected to Fame
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To return to topic, of course the 5th house may be connected to Fame
I guess the main reason would be 5th house is naturally under the sign of Leo? Self expression is the key to be famous perhaps.
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Hello, everyone!! I've got a question for you, guys. I'm really really interested in the whole idea of acting in the movies. Not really for the sake of the fact I m gonna become famous but because I do actually like the idea of transforming myself into some kind of different reality. Do you think, looking at my natal chart, I have a chance of going down that way with a bit of success? Thank you and sorry, for a bit off top question. It does a bit relate to the discussion because one successful acting career can bring some fame, I believe.
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Well Wild Bill Hickok's chart reflects the 10th house fame requirements though Sol is on the 11th cusp:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...t=69629&page=3



Though if I remember correctly Mark Twain, Samuel Cements was Leo rising, according to Circle Book of Charts, this horoscope depicts him with Sol ruling the 10th:




http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Twain,_Mark






Tsmall may like this, Mark Twain an astrologer said '...I came in with Haly's Comet and I will leave when Haly's Comet returns..'.
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Can someone explain to me what a dispositor is?
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Can someone explain to me what a dispositor is?
http://www.aquariuspapers.com/astrol...o-planets.html
The sign any planet occupies is affected by the planet that rules that sign. This in turn is shaded by what sign that ruling planet is in. When a planet rules the sign another planet is in, we say it “disposes,” or is the dispositor of, that planet. That's why it's important to know which signs a given planet rules.

For example, when Mars is in Taurus, it is heavily affected by Venus, which rules Taurus. That makes the sign Venus occupies important in showing us the backdrop to how Mars in Taurus energies express themselves. Pay attention to Venus the next few weeks, since she'll be behind all Mars activities as long as Mars is in Taurus.

When Mars is in Gemini, it will be heavily influenced by Mercury, which rules Gemini. Therefore the sign Mercury occupies is important in showing us how Mars will express itself during that time.
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So the dispositor of my Leo sun is the Sun.
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So the dispositor of my Leo sun is the Sun.
A Leo Sun is dignified because in own domicile
Dispositor = a planet which disposits, disposes of, or rules another
because the other is in one of its areas of dignity
For example
when Jupiter is in Taurus
Venus, the planetary ruler of Taurus, disposits Jupiter.
Planets can also be disposed by the lesser dignities
so the dispositor of Jupiter by exaltation
is the Moon which is naturally exalted in Taurus.

The general condition of the dispositor
can have some bearing on planetary strength.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/dispositor.html

See: Understanding Planetary Dignity and Debility.
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