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Does moon in 12th house make fame impossible?I have it but it's also member of a grand trine[kite actually(moon opposite uranus)].My PoF is in 7th house (using whole sign house system especially for PoF) ,conjunct Neptune ,sextile Pluto & trine True Node.PoF's ruler[Saturn...] conjunct Sun, Mercury & Venus.Also the ruler of MC is Neptune.MC trine Saturn,Venus,[Vertex] and square moon,neptune,uranus.My Ascendant surely conjunct Sirius & Canopus,i think Mars almost conjunct Spica & Sun-Mercury almost conjunct Antares(not sure about the widest possible orb though). I've always thought that the position of my moon is quite unfortunate about fame but you guys know better
I'm talking about fame related to any kind of successful career not really about fame related to acting for example.I'm actually a bit shy to be on TV, once i had a big success - i was the number 2 between students who got a place in university in my country and i was shy with cameras lol but being famous because of your career is different & quite welcome i guess!
I've attached 3 types of my natal chart 1)Placidus ,2&3)Whole sign house system for PoF.Any ideas please?
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Does moon in 12th house make fame impossible?I have it but it's also member of a grand trine[kite actually(moon opposite uranus)].My PoF is in 7th house (using whole sign house system especially for PoF) ,conjunct Neptune ,sextile Pluto & trine True Node.PoF's ruler[Saturn...] conjunct Sun, Mercury & Venus.Also the ruler of MC is Neptune.MC trine Saturn,Venus,[Vertex] and square moon,neptune,uranus.My Ascendant surely conjunct Sirius & Canopus,i think Mars almost conjunct Spica & Sun-Mercury almost conjunct Antares(not sure about the widest possible orb though). I've always thought that the position of my moon is quite unfortunate about fame but you guys know better
I'm talking about fame related to any kind of successful career not really about fame related to acting for example.I'm actually a bit shy to be on TV, once i had a big success - i was the number 2 between students who got a place in university in my country and i was shy with cameras lol but being famous because of your career is different & quite welcome i guess!
I've attached 3 types of my natal chart 1)Placidus ,2&3)Whole sign house system for PoF.Any ideas please?

You have a packed 5th house, so I would think self expression through creative activity is your call in this life time. However, it is not going to be without any trouble since you have 5th house Pluto squaring Jupiter in 8th. The placement of Uranus in 6th Suggests that you are unpredictable in your daily activities, perhaps not comfortable with somethign routine, and like to spend time in day dreaming...Lollzz. This might affect your career sucess (square mc).

You should try to reach to your North Node in Taraus in 11th through 5th house Venus. Fame will follow..

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You have a packed 5th house, so I would think self expression through creative activity is your call in this life time. However, it is not going to be without any trouble since you have 5th house Pluto squaring Jupiter in 8th. The placement of Uranus in 6th Suggests that you are unpredictable in your daily activities, perhaps not comfortable with somethign routine, and like to spend time in day dreaming...Lollzz. This might affect your career sucess (square mc).

You should try to reach to your North Node in Taraus in 11th through 5th house Venus. Fame will follow..

All the best.
Oh thank you so much for your reply!! I was always between my love for the arts & my studies.I'm a medical student and i love medicine but i'm in love with the arts.When i'm very busy with studying i miss doing something artistic like writing & when i do something artistic i miss medicine and i feel guilty for not studying lol I'm really confused with my career actually!
How can i reach my North Node?LOL
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Oh thank you so much for your reply!! I was always between my love for the arts & my studies.I'm a medical student and i love medicine but i'm in love with the arts.When i'm very busy with studying i miss doing something artistic like writing & when i do something artistic i miss medicine and i feel guilty for not studying lol I'm really confused with my career actually!
How can i reach my North Node?LOL

You are most welcome starchaser. Although I am just a beginner so please take my interpretation lightly. But a packed 5th house surely means self expressions through creative activities and I think you do feel that energy, and thats why you have such hunger for arts. Can you think of a way to channel your 5th house energy through you Medical Studies or perhaps there is a way you can combine them two (A singing/dancing doctor...hahahahaha!!)

Taraus would mean be stable, and as it is in your 11 house...that should be with your hopes and dreams, social activities and Aquarian kind of things. I have the book about it written by Martin Schulmann, when I get time I will type that part for you, or just scan and post the emage

All the best with combining your medical studies with 5th house energy!
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You are most welcome starchaser. Although I am just a beginner so please take my interpretation lightly. But a packed 5th house surely means self expressions through creative activities and I think you do feel that energy, and thats why you have such hunger for arts. Can you think of a way to channel your 5th house energy through you Medical Studies or perhaps there is a way you can combine them two (A singing/dancing doctor...hahahahaha!!)

Taraus would mean be stable, and as it is in your 11 house...that should be with your hopes and dreams, social activities and Aquarian kind of things. I have the book about it written by Martin Schulmann, when I get time I will type that part for you, or just scan and post the emage

All the best with combining your medical studies with 5th house energy!
Hahahaha the singing/dancing doctor part really made my day I don't know maybe i can do both [not at the exact same time LOL].But i'm afraid that in the end i'll mess up in both .To be honest my life without doing something artistic will be really empty.Anything artistic puts me in trance

Oh i'd be really thankful to you if you posted the part from the book you have
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Whoever can tell me more about my career and possible/impossible fame-success would be trully appreciated!!!!It's quite important
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Whoever can tell me more about my career and possible/impossible fame-success would be trully appreciated!!!!It's quite important
Chart ruler in 12th suggests problems relating to mother and women and not being emotionally able to ask for what you wanted or needed in early childhood. In some cases it can suggest a 'resentment'
towards mother, either through neglect or smother loved. Plus Moon's aspect is square MC and opp mercury.

Moon square MC can suggest restlessness and many changes in work/career

Moon in Square Midheaven
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Professionally speaking, you'll have to learn to go with the flow, as your main career may lack stability during the first half of your life.may be a late bloomer where career is concerned, coming into full potential later in life. You can expect a strong female influence around the question of career. Ideally your career should be one that allows you a certain amount of emotional satisfaction. Real estate and all options that relate to the domestic scene in general, represent career potentials. care taking roles are favored or those in which there is considerable contact with the public
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http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsmoon.htm

Also as mentioned in previous posts, uranus and neptune square MC show particular challenges.

Fame look to what POF is doing
every chart *shows potential* but we don't always fulfil our potential do we
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2515&highlight=fame
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20190&highlight=fame
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=133248&postcount=15
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Chart ruler in 12th suggests problems relating to mother and women and not being emotionally able to ask for what you wanted or needed in early childhood. In some cases it can suggest a 'resentment'
towards mother, either through neglect or smother loved. Plus Moon's aspect is square MC and opp mercury.
Well i guess in my case moon in 12th is not about my mom it's probably related to a health problem i have ..i'm paralyzed in a weelchair since i was a baby So maybe it actually means a "body jail" for me,maybe i'm wrong though lol But my moon is not opposite to mercury it's opposite to uranus ,many people confuse this aspect because there are many planets close to each other lol
For more info about my story take a look here http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=35653
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Well i guess in my case moon in 12th is not about my mom it's probably related to a health problem i have ..i'm paralyzed in a weelchair since i was a baby So maybe it actually means a "body jail" for me,maybe i'm wrong though lol But my moon is not opposite to mercury it's opposite to uranus ,many people confuse this aspect because there are many planets close to each other lol
For more info about my story take a look here http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=35653
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yes I see you are correct, but moon is opposite uranus which suggests a break with mother, and wanting to do something unsual that feeds the emotional and intuitive nature....

may i suggest you research further your moon in 12th house

http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/dkfArtTwelfthHouse.htm
http://www.gotohoroscope.com/houses-in-chart-12th.html
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoun...rmaHouse12.htm
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses-sun.html#Twelfth

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_dgtwehouse_e.htm
http://12th.tribe.net/thread/c160721f-6268-42d8-bf31-897977f99188
http://www.astrologyindepth.com/The_12th_house
http://www.myastrologybook.com/Mercury-Venus-in-the-twelfth-house-12th-house.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusinhouses.html
http://www.astrologyindepth.com/The_12th_house


Research threads on AW
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3173&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19818&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19818&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18312&highlight=12th+house
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18312&highlight=12th+house

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yes I see you are correct, but moon is opposite uranus which suggests a break with mother, and wanting to do something unsual that feeds the emotional and intuitive nature....
Well could "mother" represent/symbolize anything that's traditional instead?That'd make more sense to me because we've always been too close with my mother or with both my parents actually! They've supported me really in all possible ways,we're good friends too One more question ..could moon opp. uranus [6th..] show a health problem?Someone once told me that uranus can "cause" problems related to neurological system & my problem is indeed in my Peripheral Neurological System caused by a DNA mutation,is that true about uranus?

Now about my career except moon,uranus,neptune square MC i also have Venus & Saturn trine MC how could all these aspects of MC work for me overall?Is it good to have many MC aspects even if some are squares or they should all be good for a successful career?
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Well could "mother" represent/symbolize anything that's traditional instead?That'd make more sense to me because we've always been too close with my mother or with both my parents actually! They've supported me really in all possible ways,we're good friends too One more question ..could moon opp. uranus [6th..] show a health problem?Someone once told me that uranus can "cause" problems related to neurological system & my problem is indeed in my Peripheral Neurological System caused by a DNA mutation,is that true about uranus?

Now about my career except moon,uranus,neptune square MC i also have Venus & Saturn trine MC how could all these aspects of MC work for me overall?Is it good to have many MC aspects even if some are squares or they should all be good for a successful career?
Thank you so much
I did explain in post 7 about 'smother loved'
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The Moon denotes emotions and Uranus produces unstable situations. Thus, you may be called on to deal with unpredictable emotions that may appear as nervous tension. It may require conscious effort on your part to maintain a responsible role in your domestic affairs. There is a tendency for you to attract a mate displaying forceful traits. This individual is likely to dominate you. Males have more difficulties than female because it frequently sets up problems with females, including the mother. In either sex, there is a constant demand to decide for others that generates stress between the mental and emotional faculties.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/moonaspects.html#moour

health conditiions are usually assessed by planets in 6th not 12th


Uranus 6th House cadent house
Strange and advanced methods used in work and service.
You could be interested in all kinds of healing therapy. The type of work electronics etc. You prefer to work in the ­background without supervision and like a congenial atmosphere.
Possible work in health service or machinery to do with health.
Good worker but needs a job that enables him to move around. Routine is not for them.
Ingenious and original in nature. Highly nervous so prolonged job is unbearable.
Either drives himself mercilessly far beyond his physical strength or fights his job all the way. Has to learn the hard way to be tow the party line.
Chronic illness can play havoc if the ability to control irritation and impatience is not gained.
Collect odd and unusual things (pigs, owls etc.)
Sudden illnesses

Neptune in 6th House. cadent house
You will have intuitive understanding of the various methods of making work effective and efficient. Good for work to do with hospitals ‑ health foods ‑ exercise. Close ties with co‑workers. Fond of pets. Health ‑ Feet. Hypochondriac. Very allergic to drugs (looks to aspects). Psychosomatic illnesses ‑ seem very real to them!
After care and service to others. Sympathetic, welfare and caring work would be ideal. Type of work drawn to could be alternative medicine, actors, magician, reflexology, acupuncture, Homeopathy. Nursing. Chiropody.
Coun­selling maybe or voluntary work. Small domestic pets.
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Thank you very much for everything
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The star Alpheratz connected with the sensitive degree of your 10th whole sign house, shows possibility of fame; 12th house Moon by no means automatically denies possibility of fame; 12th house Moon can indicate body (Moon) "imprisonment" (which can be a 12th house indication)
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No don't worry, it is not a necessary relation. However, there may be trouble caused by women (especially young ones) or family (especially brothers or sisters). It may indicate female enmities, psychic abilities or curiosity for hidden/occult things. Your ideas may not reach the public, or it will be preferable to keep them for yourself.
There can be scandalmongering, defamation, especially thru media, press campaigns, but of limited importance. Also, popularity during youth or among young people may suffer.
Of course all these things may happen if your Gemini Moon is afflicted in XII.

On the bright side, you may be brought to take care of excluded people or educate poor children. The 12th house is feared because it excludes mundane success and sacrifices the self for the good of all. If you understand its function, you will be able to make significant moral progress and access high levels of spirituality.
You may become a concrete exemple of values, weaknesses or errors in the behaviour of your social background, or make society understand them using words, speech, writings, painting, theater or cinema for example. Sometimes you may have to deal with socially unfit people, criminals, most likely young ones (children to reeducate for example).

It enhances intuition and imagination. In an air sign, it may concentrate on secrets and new ideas (You may have access to secret or highly confidential informations. It can be a detective or a secret agent's position)
Sensitivity deeply connected to the soul may not be able to entirely express itself, it may be irreducible to words.
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12th house Moon can indicate body (Moon) "imprisonment" (which can be a 12th house indication)
That's extremely accurate about me Thank you for everything dr.farr!!!!!!!


@ yassine01 Thank you so much!!Very interesting info!!!!

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Just noticed that your Moon is within orb of longitudinal conjunction with the great star Bellatrix (read about it in Robson, or on the constellationsofwords.com site)
That gives you Sirius with the ascending degree, Bellatrix with the Moon and Alpheratz with the sensitive degree of the 10th house; these stars indicate spriit, defiance, ambition coupled with disregard for apparent limitations, and likely accompanied,eventually, with good luck (Bellatrix with the Moon also indicates accidents, which is quite relevant in your history) Potential for fame is connected with all three stars, especially Alpheratz and also to a large degree, with Bellatrix.
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Just noticed that your Moon is within orb of longitudinal conjunction with the great star Bellatrix (read about it in Robson, or on the constellationsofwords.com site)
That gives you Sirius with the ascending degree, Bellatrix with the Moon and Alpheratz with the sensitive degree of the 10th house; these stars indicate spriit, defiance, ambition coupled with disregard for apparent limitations, and likely accompanied,eventually, with good luck (Bellatrix with the Moon also indicates accidents, which is quite relevant in your history) Potential for fame is connected with all three stars, especially Alpheratz and also to a large degree, with Bellatrix.
Wow thank you dr.farr!!!!I was afraid that Bellatrix is only unfortunate but after your last post i feel much better lol I read in one of your posts some time ago that the orb for First Magnitude Stars is [if i remember correctly] 3 degrees,does that mean that Rigel conj my moon too?
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Ohhh and Vega conj my DC?I don't know if conjunction of a Fixed Star with DC is important though i just thought that since it's an angular house maybe it'd mean something =]
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Wow thank you dr.farr!!!!I was afraid that Bellatrix is only unfortunate but after your last post i feel much better lol I read in one of your posts some time ago that the orb for First Magnitude Stars is [if i remember correctly] 3 degrees,does that mean that Rigel conj my moon too?
I believe that Bellatrix has the influence here, over Rigel; yes, stars at the descendant degree do have an influence (stars at or near all the pivot points-ie, angular degrees-especially of a natal, often also of an event and mundane ingress chart-can have significant influences, according to those of us who follow the fixed stars)
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I believe that Bellatrix has the influence here, over Rigel; yes, stars at the descendant degree do have an influence (stars at or near all the pivot points-ie, angular degrees-especially of a natal, often also of an event and mundane ingress chart-can have significant influences, according to those of us who follow the fixed stars)
Ok thanks again dr.farr!!!!You've been a great teacher of fixed stars for me through your posts

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