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Unread 04-12-2019, 04:11 AM
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The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

I notice that in a lot of modern astrology blogs, especially writings that end up on popular sites, there is a push to weaken and mock the sign of Leo while simultaneously promoting Scorpio as the strongest sign. Leos are all prone to flattery, playful, and all bluff and showy.

Meanwhile, Scorpios are "powerful", "determined", and their weak side is that they are somehow vengeful meaning they will get back at you for offending them.

Leos on the other hand are forgive and forget, too dumb to tell if you offended them and will only shout like children when offended.

It has made me question the validity of astrology when a group of biased people can so easily fabricate things about signs.

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Unread 04-12-2019, 06:49 AM
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

It may be a gut reaction you are having here.



If not, can you link the sites?


I have seen all kinds of sites from pop to more serious and all, and I haven't seen what you describe. I have nothing against pop astrology.


I've seen a good percentage of sites describe Leo as "the most dominant". But you don't have to take that so seriously. All fixed signs are powerful houses.
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

Are you yourself a combination of Leo/scorpio?
Logic would say that maligning these two signs, if it is true, they would also do the same with the other ten signs, no?.
I haven't come across what you described about Leo and scorpio.
Can you give links?
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Unread 04-12-2019, 06:21 PM
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Question Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

The power of fixed signs Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius and Taurus. What does it place Cardinal and Mutable signs? Is Leo too alpha as well are Scorpios than the 10 others...is it unequal in astrology?
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Unread 05-19-2019, 04:21 AM
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

In regards to the question, I believe there are many elements that one has to factor in.

As I'm not necessarily equipped to delve into the specifics, I do happen to have strong Leo influence within my alignments and can offer that particular insight.

As for myself, power & strength are intrinsic elements of our nature. As we may know this & embody it, we do not have the need/desire to act upon it. To prove it. We know it. We are the embodiment of it. We also live on principle. First & foremost, we have heart. The heart of the lion. This, I believe to be the major differentiating factor.

A "Powerful" Scorpio may be cruel, callous, and calculating. May hide, weaken their opponents- physically/emotionally/mentally - even have others do their bidding, then strike at the lowest possible state a being can be at. Claim "strength" & "power".

While a Leo probably doesn't even acknowledge such an "opponent". It doesn't exist. They are not dependent on external sources: people, weaponry, etc. They do not need "validation" of any kind. A Leo could have just about every odd stacked against them & still annihilate & dominate. They know it. They do not have to prove it. Nor do most have the desire to. Again, the heart of the lion. Principles. Morals. Ethics.

A "Strong" Scorpion may shatter at a displeasing word / harsh criticism spoken
/ uttered to them. May break under the slightest "hardship" or "pressure" bestowed upon them.

The strength of a Leo can & will withstand the stuggles, obstacles, and challenges of 100 lifetimes. They know the majority would break under the pressure of one hardship they may have encountered in their lifetime. Let alone 100 lifetimes.

There seems to be a difference between one who actually has it & one who desires it.

Also, our society seems to have an extremely perverse understanding of what power & strength really are. Like everything else.

Again, this a very base application.

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Unread 05-19-2019, 05:31 AM
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

Can we just forget the pop-schlock astrology out there, please?? Ignorant people will post a lot of ignorant stuff. We can't take it seriously.

My moon is in Leo. It broadly conjuncts my Pluto but they are parallel. (This works like a conjunction.)

No astrological signature works 100% of the time, so take this with a pinch of salt.

One issue that comes up for Leo is a sense of honour. This is a very old-fashioned term, made even more archaic by The Game of Thrones.

Basically honour means having a sense of principles or ethics, and then sticking to them.

(Leo is a fixed sign.)

If you're a fan of Worf in Star Trek: the Next Generation, you get the idea. Of course Capt. Picard is an honorable man in the sense that he has a firm sense of principles and ethics, but with Klingons, it just goes so much deeper into their rich and ancient culture.

Sticking to one's sense of honour often takes a lot of courage, in the face of a majority driven by other motives (like money, acquisitions.) It is possible to be scape-goated for holding to one's principles. It takes real courage to stand up to this.

An astrological link here is that the sign of Leo (and 5th house) in medical astrology rules the spine and heart. [A cowardly person is called "spineless" or "faint of heart."]

Leo is the sign of the king or queen. The king can afford to be generous to his people. He can be authentic, in answering to no one. This means he can express joy and even playfulness when he feels like it.

Because if you're afraid or too guarded to express your happiness, you're not really in control of the situation.
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

I almost see Scorpio as that jealous kid who is desperate for attention but then acts edgy to get it. Envy has had to have been associated with this sign for good. The desperation to spam the internet claiming to be powerful and vengeful, it is almost like someone is desperate to be seen as strong as a result of lacking power in themselves.

I have to see, not just against Leos but especially against Air signs, Scorpios get outwitted and out-strategized hard.
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Unread 05-19-2019, 11:27 PM
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

The19thlaw, precisely.
Simply, one who is powerful does not need to prove it. Most certainty, does not have an incessant need to. As with any form of "validation".

It is important to have compassion & understanding for all. Each individual has their own faults and weaknesses.

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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

While that is true, I am almost a bit confused of the targeting towards fire signs in modern astrology. Has to be something to this.
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Unread 05-21-2019, 03:36 AM
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

This thread reminds me of the Scorpio and Gemini hate that used to dominate the Internet earlier.

If you are talking about the self-proclaimed "astrology" sites that consist of nothing but wildly assumed Sun signs and only do astrology as a small entertainment section, then anyone can make up anything. I can say Gemini is the strongest sign of the zodiac because Gemini is the most intelligent and no one can beat wit, and Gemini is also the only sign with two brains, and no one will question me.

Because, they aren't mean to be astrology in the first place. They are just clever storytelling.
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Unread 05-21-2019, 03:39 AM
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

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This thread reminds me of the Scorpio and Gemini hate that used to dominate the Internet earlier.

If you are talking about the self-proclaimed "astrology" sites that consist of nothing but wildly assumed Sun signs and only do astrology as a small entertainment section, then anyone can make up anything. I can say Gemini is the strongest sign of the zodiac because Gemini is the most intelligent and no one can beat wit, and Gemini is also the only sign with two brains, and no one will question me.

Because, they aren't mean to be astrology in the first place. They are just clever storytelling.
Yes but why is it so prominent is the question and most of all, why so biased towards one sign?
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Yes but why is it so prominent is the question and most of all, why so biased towards one sign?
I think it's just because you happens to see it more than other signs. I haven't seen the same emphasis as you. The sign that I see being put down more is Pisces, for being the weakest, most delusional and most deceptive sign of all. I could have started another thread asking why but I don't because I know that's just ********.
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

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I think it's just because you happens to see it more than other signs. I haven't seen the same emphasis as you. The sign that I see being put down more is Pisces, for being the weakest, most delusional and most deceptive sign of all. I could have started another thread asking why but I don't because I know that's just ********.

You can always tell those people about their delusional, weak side since everyone has a 12th house and consequently a Piscean/Neptunian aspect .
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For what it’s worth, OP, I’ve noticed the same thing for years and even stopped visiting astrology forums because of the constant discussions around Scorpio/Pluto/the 8th house. For one, I just don’t find Pluto that interesting. Two, while I don’t have that much Pluto in my chart, what I do have is enough for me to seriously scorn the planet. It’s too abusive and (self-)destructive. I side-eye anyone that plays up their Plutonic traits, aspects, or placements - I just assume such an individual is deplorable or a joke (I.e. they’ve read too many “powerful/intimidating/sexy/deep” descriptions about Plutonians).
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

magnolia, unfortunately we do not get to suppress or split-off any of the planets in our horoscopes. If we cannot manifest a given planet in a positive way in our lives, it is apt to show up as people who seemingly embody the negative attributes of that planet.

On another thread, you mentioned your natal sun square Pluto. This is one very difficult and powerful aspect. If you cannot or won't work with it in your own life, you will tend to attract ruthless bullies, seemingly intent on destroying your happiness.

You know the saying, "What you resist, persists."

Ideally the "good" Pluto is a stand for ongoing self-transformation. This is especially important for people with a sun (self) - Pluto (transformation) hard aspect.

With Leo being the sun's own sign, they have a special need to learn the art of reinvention.

Natally my Aquarian sun makes a wide opposition to Pluto in Leo. When Pluto transited Scorpio and squared my sun, it was the most difficult transit of my life. My sympathies to people with this aspect natally.
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Re: The desperation to weaken Leo in modern astrology.

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I think it's just because you happens to see it more than other signs. I haven't seen the same emphasis as you. The sign that I see being put down more is Pisces, for being the weakest, most delusional and most deceptive sign of all. I could have started another thread asking why but I don't because I know that's just ********.
I completely disagree here, google strongest sign and richest sign, the trends tend to favor one sign quite a lot.

Never heard anything good said about Geminis or Libras for example.
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