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I also just gave demonstration above how there is a lot more to synastry than most astrologers realize. The Astrological Parts in synastry is something that should be considered too. Especially those produced by composite chart.
I've an old thread about making composite charts with the Yeshu'a/Jesus natal chart ....perhaps now would be a good time to revive it?

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Wow....!!! Thank you for the unexpected read. You are talented at this. My hair and my eyes.......they are different.......the cosmos was fickle....... I have never dyed my hair.......It has strands of all colours and thickness......,thin blond hairs, medium brown hairs, red hairs, black hairs all evenly distributed.......as with Scorpio ascending it is very thick......my eyes are hazel.......blue, green, grey and rust.......the predominant colour changes.......I have to work today, and tonight I have a charity meeting.......I do a lot of charity work......but I will be back when I can answer properly.......

I do many things for an occupation....... but our business is for General Contracting....... we specialize in the exterior waterproofing of buildings.........my preferred place is on a rooftop, roofing.......we are old fashioned in our style we use hatchets not air guns.......
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Now the blonde hairs are greying.....
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Wow....!!! Thank you for the unexpected read. You are talented at this. My hair and my eyes.......they are different.......the cosmos was fickle....... I have never dyed my hair.......It has strands of all colours and thickness......,thin blond hairs, medium brown hairs, red hairs, black hairs all evenly distributed.......as with Scorpio ascending it is very thick......my eyes are hazel.......blue, green, grey and rust.......the predominant colour changes.......I have to work today, and tonight I have a charity meeting.......I do a lot of charity work......but I will be back when I can answer properly.......

I do many things for an occupation....... but our business is for General Contracting....... we specialize in the exterior waterproofing of buildings.........my preferred place is on a rooftop, roofing.......we are old fashioned in our style we use hatchets not air guns.......
I never knew that about ones hair and having a Scorpio Asc.
My hair has always been rather thick and it grows very fast. It has receded and thinned, just a tad, but not noticeably.
My beard has turned all white now, but the mustache about half so.

I was a carpenter for about five years. A rough framer, actually. I helped build many a home in the Tahoe-Truckee, California area from 1977 to 1983. But, I also was a painter and started out at a very young age helping my father whom was a master painter. He was the foreman painter for the Beverly Hills Hotel and the Beverly Wilshire Hotel, which backintheday, was one of only two hotels in all of the United States that got a five star Michelin rating. I worked there too, as a painter for awhile and did most of my union apprenticeship. I worked nearly 40 different contractors in the years that followed. Some were general contractors and for whom I did both painting and carpentry. However, most were painting contractors.

Then, soon after I turned 34 years of age, I applied for one of two positions for a painter with a local school district that is ninth in size in the State of California. I got the highest score they had ever seen on the test for trade knowledge. Having been an art major in college, a student of fine art since I was in Jr. high school, helped somewhat. I was very knowledgeable about paint chemistry.

I spent half of my life climbing ladders. I never used nail guns either. They weren't very prevalent back when I was pounding nails...and many of the framers I worked with used a rigging axe instead of a framing hammer.

I worked there for about 13 years until I herniated and bulged discs in my lower back. I was, more or less, forced to retire just a week after I turned 47 years of age. As I refused surgery, following the advice of a doctor of osteopathy I had met after the injury, and the retraining as they would only guarantee that I would earn about half of what I had been earning afterwards, I chose retirement as it supplied about 2/3rds of what I had been earning. As I include about a year in experience for all the jobs I was on as a kid, helping my father... whom also had a contractors license for painting and got many a job for residences in the Beverly Hills area... I figure that I've had about 30 years experience as a painter...but that ended back in May of 2000.

I haven't the slightest doubt it was all part of Gods' plan for me.

It came to me one day... as I had worked for a painting contractor in the San Francisco Bay area in the mid 1980's for about 7 months ...and he had a little saying he had come up with as the result of a job that he had in which it was new construction and the carpenters He had to follow rather butchered some of the finish work they had attempted to do. That phrase was; "a little putty, a little paint, makes a carpenter what he ain't"... so...what came to me is that the painters always follow the carpenters and make it all appear as it was intended to.
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Late correction. I've had about thirty years in the trades of which twenty five years were working as a painter.
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Hi piercethevale!

I agree, we as the finishers, learn to cover the errors of the roughers......or change it completely......sometimes those highly paid architects are the issue.......but, I will have to answer later......there was a bit of a spring blizzard here......now, my phone is ringing......have to do some repairs.......its melting.......
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I agree, we as the finishers, learn to cover the errors of the roughers......or change it completely......sometimes those highly paid architects are the issue.......but, I will have to answer later......there was a bit of a spring blizzard here......now, my phone is ringing......have to do some repairs.......its melting.......
Hi Opal.
What I was inferring to is that I even found symbolism in the fact I was pretty much directed into becoming a painter by profession... as for you know who was a carpenter.
Not that His work needs improving it's what became of it...as to how it appears, presently.

Weird weather in your parts. I have a friend in Iowa that expected snow today. Meanwhile, here in California, I had the air conditioner on for the first time this year on Wednesday and again on Thursday.
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I haven't mentioned this until as I wasn't too sure it would have been in good taste, that it would be considered to be a display of "bad manners" but I can't really just let it go by without being 'noted'.

The fire that destroyed much of the Notre Dame Cathedral occurred on April 15th and by the gregorian calendar so was the Sunday that Yeshu'a/Jesus spent on the Cross in 35 A.D.

If my chart is the real deal, [although any chart for the entire 365 days that precede it will also satisfy the requisite that He would have been 32 years old at the time of the Crucifixion. Two sources give the date as being 14 days, or two weeks, after His 32nd birthday. As it is by tradition the first Sunday following the first Full Moon of Spring.] In the year 35 A.D. [or C.E. for those that prefer] that Sunday could have only been April 15th. by the gregorian calendar.

By julian calendar that date becomes April 2, The same day that He was born by the gregorian calendar.

This only became a phenomena in the year 2000 when another day was added to the gregorian calendar.

It may be a "sign" of some sort? I did hear and read about some people that saw apparitions of "Jesus" in the flames themselves. There is a photo taken by a woman that does have that appearance.

In this forum I have a thread but it is in the Jotish sub-forum as I wrote it for the Sikh community. My Yogi friend, Suryakant, whom was also renting a room in the same hotel back in 2006 when the two of us were having an early evenings cocktail at the downstairs bar...and mind this hotel is the old historic, Folsom Hotel, on Sutter Street, where the Pony Express terminated and where one terminus of the first railroad line West of the Rockies was built.. It's kind of a tourist attraction in that the entire street is one of the oldest in existence in Calif. that wasn't from the Hispanic era. It all happened because of the Gold Rush of 1849.
...but I've digressed. Being the tourist attraction that it is the bar on the ground floor gets its share of both regular and visiting clientele and one of the regulars for a few years in the early and mid 00's was a Sikh gentleman that is local [nearby Yuba County has the largest community of Sikhs in the world, outside of India] and he is a good ...more than 25 to 35 years younger than either Suryakant or myself...[Suryakant is nine years older than me] He doesn't follow tradition in dress though.
The Sikh gentleman knew Suryakant and I pretty well at the time. We only knew him from the bar but we had engaged him in many a spiritual discourse over the three years we had both known him and we all recognized one another as "Brothers of the Light", one might describe it as, in other words there is a profound mutual trust.
So the Sikh gentleman came to the bar one day and spotting Suryakant and myself, He came over. He asked me if I had a VHS tape player for my tv and I told Him that I did and then He asked us; "Would you like to see something unusual that I'd like your opinions about?" We both agreed and we all went upstairs to my room.
He had a VHS tape with him and He proceeded to tell us that it is from his VHS hand helf recorder and that He had a film he took the previous Christmas as He and his wife, also a Sikh, have a traditional American Christmas and that they were giving gifts to their 4 year old son, which He had filmed.

Suryakant and I watched. In the frame of the movie was the fireplace, not too big a one, small brick hearth and around the face of the pit. Their was a fire in it, a nice sized one, two small but lengthy logs stretched across two end-irons. Their son was sitting on his bottom about two and a half feet to the right in the frame and about two feet away to the front. He was opening gifts. After about twenty seconds there was a loud "Pop" from the fire, annd their son reacts and turns his head to look at the fire and then turns right back around to finish unwrapping his gift and as He turns He says "Who's that?"

The Sikh gentleman said at that point, "Notice what He said? He said "Who's that?" and not "What's that?" as one would expect him to.

Suryakant and I kept looking at the video and then I saw it, and I looked at Suryakant and asked him if he did as well. He said, ...with a bit of a slow drawl as He was born in Montana. ..."Yeeaah, you mean sitting there in the fire." I said "Yep, that's Guru Nanak reading the granth" Suryakant agreed. The Sikh was glad to hear it as He thought ... well, who knows what He though?

But, we all saw it. I asked my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse, about the boy and she said He will indeed become someone noteworthy in the 2020's.

That child is watched and protected 24/7.

Apparitions in Fire?

I've seen one.
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I have to read this a few times Pierce before I answer......you have had an interesting retirement.......cool......
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I won't be online much after the first of the month as I am losing my internet connection. My ex-room mate has been paying for it for the last 5 months to settle an old debt and as I'm in the process of moving to, hopefully, Nevada I won't be keeping it as that would require a six month contract from me.

I don't use I phones so I am limited to my laptops to a means of accessing the internet.

It may be some months ahead before I get settled as to where I'll have ready access once again.
Hi Piercethevale,

It has been interesting getting to know a small piece of you. I find you different definitely, but that is something you are no stranger to......

I do not see things like you, I would say I feel things......I am a bit stubborn about some things.......things that I can't explain.......but, I keep reading, in an effort to understand what I feel.......

I think it must be hard to see.......it may be why I call it feel, to distance myself, from what could get me in a pickle.....but, you seem quite comfortable with what you have been gifted......may your God keep you safe.......

and......I look forward to when we get to converse again......

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Hi Piercethevale,

It has been interesting getting to know a small piece of you. I find you different definitely, but that is something you are no stranger to......

I do not see things like you, I would say I feel things......I am a bit stubborn about some things.......things that I can't explain.......but, I keep reading, in an effort to understand what I feel.......

I think it must be hard to see.......it may be why I call it feel, to distance myself, from what could get me in a pickle.....but, you seem quite comfortable with what you have been gifted......may your God keep you safe.......

and......I look forward to when we get to converse again......

Talk to you later man.......Opal
I was in error, my ex-room mate informed me that He's paying for the internet connection until June.

So I have another month in which I can indulge a bit in expanding a few threads in this forum>

You say you don't see things like I do?

I've only mentioned two things. That I can "see" that there's symbolism in the fact that I was a painter and that I'm following up on yet another carpenter, the Jewish one from Nazareth... and that I saw...actually saw... an apparition in the fireplace in that Sikhs video,,,and I wasn't the only one,,,and the child recognized it first.

I said that the video taken of the fire at the cathedral did capture an image that looked faintly as like a artists portrayal of the Man from Nazareth. It was a bit more than what I would usually describe as "faintly" but compared to what the three of us saw in the Sikh gentlemans' video is like comparing a Rorschach ink blot that could be said to resemble something as to a photo in high definition that one can't deny what it appears to be as.

I'm getting a sense here that this topic and what I'm presenting is upsetting to you. That's about "Par" for this thread. It seems to bother everyone...save a few.
Are you Roman Catholic by chance?
As you said "may your god keep you safe"... Why would you say that, are you worshiping a different god? ...or do you think that I do?

ECK KAN KAR SAT NAM SIRI WHA GURU

...as the Sikhs say. translated it means [approximately, of course]
"There is but One God. Truth is His Name and great is His indescribable Wisdom."

I should have died many times the last 66 years... God will allow me to live as long as I am needed. God has seen to that, in fact.
I did ask of God if I might be allowed to live as long as 90 years... and I think that may have been granted me...but I won't know for sure until I reach that mark, will I?

Death is just a transition. I've had many past lives here, most have been in India as I am given to understand. Uranus in the 8th House, as I have, bestows a person with an acute awareness of the departed.
That old hotel in Folsom I lived in and where I met Suryakant, It was built in 1875 and it is ...as the expression goes, [and it fits it to a capital "T"] 'IT IS HAUNTED OFF THE HOOK' ... and many a dark rite has been performed in it in the past. It is not a place to live for those that are weak in spiritual integrity. People have vanished from the face of the Earth inside of that building. ...according to my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse, that is. I believe that the top floor, that was the attic until 1919 is where most of that kind of stuff was done. There is also a basement and a stream that runs under the building...but there isn't "poltergeist" activity. There is ghost activity however. Some see them, some have heard them and some have even been physically touched by them. I have been touched twice and have heard one of them.

Room 4 is notorious. More than one person went running out of that room and the hotel too in the middle of the night...vowing to not set foot in the place ever again.

So, I believe in the existence of ghosts,,,but haven't see one, not yet, anyways.

I have seen faeries or sprites, folks from India will probably call them devas.
I got a couple of photographs of them Seven in one photo and a solo one in flight in another.
So, the camera saw them too...and I've got those photos posted so you can see them too, if you would like to?

Do a search in the forum for a thread titled "Sprites, Faeries, or Deva Photos"
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I only have a minute, I am headed out.....

I was raised by a Catholic raised Mother, excommunicated for marrying a protestant, who went to Anglican Church for a while.......and he taught Sunday School......his favorite part of church was playing with us kids......he wasn't fond of church.....

They stopped going by the time I was 9.

I am pretty open to whatever a person wants or needs to believe in.....their business, their need.....

I believe in a higher power. I pray, to the cosmos. I believe that as above so below......

In the Nag Hamadi's.......I am impressed with The Creation of Adam written by John......all of the entities are a part of us.......they all effect us and our lives.......

of course......I do have Uranus in the 9th Leo.....sextile Mercury, square ascendant, and opposing Jupiter all within 1 degree......so.....I believe what I want....... gotta go.....later
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I was in error, my ex-room mate informed me that He's paying for the internet connection until June.

So I have another month in which I can indulge a bit in expanding a few threads in this forum>

You say you don't see things like I do?

No....I don't, I don't see things......apparations.....I am observant, I see things because, I observe.......

I am very watched, by the wildlife.......I feed them, and play with them, and talk to them.......I feel their responses......cause they make sure I do......I was outside the grocery store the other day.....a crow buzzed me to say hi.......a couple of people were shocked.......I laughed, gave him a trill.......he buzzed me again.......

I've only mentioned two things. That I can "see" that there's symbolism in the fact that I was a painter and that I'm following up on yet another carpenter, the Jewish one from Nazareth... and that I saw...actually saw... an apparition in the fireplace in that Sikhs video,,,and I wasn't the only one,,,and the child recognized it first.

No, I don't see things, I don't dismiss, it is not something that happens to me......I do dowse, but I do not trust the answer's.....but, I still dowse pretty much daily, I just about always have a pendulum on me........

I said that the video taken of the fire at the cathedral did capture an image that looked faintly as like a artists portrayal of the Man from Nazareth. It was a bit more than what I would usually describe as "faintly" but compared to what the three of us saw in the Sikh gentlemans' video is like comparing a Rorschach ink blot that could be said to resemble something as to a photo in high definition that one can't deny what it appears to be as.

I'm getting a sense here that this topic and what I'm presenting is upsetting to you. That's about "Par" for this thread. It seems to bother everyone...save a few.
Are you Roman Catholic by chance?
As you said "may your god keep you safe"... Why would you say that, are you worshiping a different god? ...or do you think that I do?

No, not much shakes me up......I am used to different.......comfortable with it.......even if I don't see.........I am a communicator........a watcher.......roofing suits me........critters and a view.......

ECK KAN KAR SAT NAM SIRI WHA GURU

...as the Sikhs say. translated it means [approximately, of course]
"There is but One God. Truth is His Name and great is His indescribable Wisdom."

I don't believe in a mono god.......there is too much power given to one......I am more pagan, I guess......

I should have died many times the last 66 years... God will allow me to live as long as I am needed. God has seen to that, in fact.
I did ask of God if I might be allowed to live as long as 90 years... and I think that may have been granted me...but I won't know for sure until I reach that mark, will I?

I hope for good health, and a quick death......however long the cosmos decides that will be for.......

Death is just a transition. I've had many past lives here, most have been in India as I am given to understand. Uranus in the 8th House, as I have, bestows a person with an acute awareness of the departed.
That old hotel in Folsom I lived in and where I met Suryakant, It was built in 1875 and it is ...as the expression goes, [and it fits it to a capital "T"] 'IT IS HAUNTED OFF THE HOOK' ... and many a dark rite has been performed in it in the past. It is not a place to live for those that are weak in spiritual integrity. People have vanished from the face of the Earth inside of that building. ...according to my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse, that is. I believe that the top floor, that was the attic until 1919 is where most of that kind of stuff was done. There is also a basement and a stream that runs under the building...but there isn't "poltergeist" activity. There is ghost activity however. Some see them, some have heard them and some have even been physically touched by them. I have been touched twice and have heard one of them.

I like cemetery's and dark lonely roads with coyotes howling.....it is good for the senses.......
I am undecided, about reincarnation.......but, if it exists....I wanna come back as a crow, raven or squirrel.......

Come to think of it, I did have a strange occurance in a cemetery one day.....my husband, wanted to go to his Grandma's gravestone......he was solemn......I was enjoying myself, laughing and checking out the names and dates and having an enjoyable trip through.......and then.....I touched his Grandma's stone.....tears poured from my eyes.....I looked at my husband with you know, WTF........and then he started laughing........sheesh........guessing she thought I was having too much fun.......

Room 4 is notorious. More than one person went running out of that room and the hotel too in the middle of the night...vowing to not set foot in the place ever again.

So, I believe in the existence of ghosts,,,but haven't see one, not yet, anyways.

I have seen faeries or sprites, folks from India will probably call them devas.
I got a couple of photographs of them Seven in one photo and a solo one in flight in another.
So, the camera saw them too...and I've got those photos posted so you can see them too, if you would like to?

Do a search in the forum for a thread titled "Sprites, Faeries, or Deva Photos"
I'll check it out....
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I'm sorry that the photos were missing. It's strange as the links were still embedded in the text.
I re-posted the images. I also included one that is of some artwork I own, that I purchased about two or three years ago. cost me a "PRETTY PENNY" too.

As for Who What When Where And Why of the spiritual realm, I pretty much just take Edgar Cayce's word for things. It has served me well so far.

I have no doubts whatsoever that I am guided by the same "Spiritual Agency" that He was.
Are you familiar with the legend of St. Germain? He is among those "in my corner", so to speak.
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Happy Birthday PiercetheVale

This is a song from Jeff Becks 2017 CD....Loud Hailer...I really like the whole cd.......he joined forces with Bones UK.....a band of Rosie bones and I can't remember her bassist's name....another woman......I hope you enjoy them.....

This is Bones UK without Jeff Beck......happy birthday.......

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This is a song from Jeff Becks 2017 CD....Loud Hailer...I really like the whole cd.......he joined forces with Bones UK.....a band of Rosie bones and I can't remember her bassist's name....another woman......I hope you enjoy them.....

This is Bones UK without Jeff Beck......happy birthday.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g50c..._3gHpE&index=5
Another woman bassist? He's not playing with Tai anymore?
She is good and they did make some ...pardon the cliche... beautiful music together.
My father played bass in his and his brothers' band. He also played wonderfully on a Chromatic Harmonica

I kept the birthday festivities to a minimum. I bought a bottle of good bourbon and had a few with an old friend that lives down the street. A musician himself, but not professionally. His great uncle, however, was the legendary jazz composer, arranger, conductor and trombonist, William Russo.

My room mate of seven years, [whom moved out in December but may move back in as Tennessee wasn't what He hoped], Rick, whom I've known 27 years, was the soundman for a nearby blues club for ten years until it closed...it was a fav haunt of mine when it was. My friend Malakye, that I identify as Mitch in my book, has a sister that married the Grateful Deads' soundmans' son, one of the Healy's. I bought one of Bob Weir's electric guitars through one of her sons Through Rick I know a number of professional musicians and one of them, Randy Forrester does my taxes every year as he is every bit as good with the keys on a calculator as he is with the keys on a piano. He's played with Elvin Bishop and Eddie Money. Donny Baldwin pops around once in a great while. He and Randy, the late Daddy Ray and a couple of other guys were the house band for that blues club that closed.

My cousin Alan Craig has a band in Florida, The Alan Craig Project, and is pretty doggone good. He's put out something like six or seven CDs... if radio hadn't died when it did He might have gotten some degree of renown outside of Florida... the music biz sure ain't what it used to be.

Rick and I are both good friends with Mick Martin, author, music and movie critic, and Blues historian and chronicler, whom has a syndicated radio program of Blues on the Public Broadcasting network that airs every Saturday and has his own band, in which He plays the harp and sings, that features Tim Barnes [Stoneground] on guitar and Harvey Mandel is also playing with them again...

I've lived next door to Bob, The Bear, Hite, [Canned Heat] Mike McDonald, [The Doobie Brothers] and have had three downstairs neighbors the last 12 years that were all professional musicians but little known...yet very accomplished. I've had to listen to them all practice whatever instrument it is that made their 'Bread and Butter".

So, you might say that I do enjoy music and I do appreciate it when someone "turns me on' to something fresh and good.
Got to have music in my day....sometimes all day.

There isn't a genre of music I don't like.... although I never was too fond of Heavy Metal, Punk Rock or Polka
I'll even listen to a bit of "Rap" on a rare occasion...

Thanks for the "turn on" I'll definitely give it a listen.

P.S. I don't know if you noticed in my post above I wrote that I managed to get the photos of the Sprites posted again...don't know why they weren't showing up in the post as the link was still embedded in the text.
The Image Hosting situation is always a challenge around here...so it seems....
I didn't bother to replace all those that were just of the sunset and sky though. I might as well delete those posts too.
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I think he still plays with Tai, but he can play with anyone he wants.....I have the cd.....and you can feel how much fun he had in the making......I do love his guitar work......

I too enjoy many genres of music. I know a lot of musicians, most did not make the big time.......although a friend of ours introduced us to his son in law......he is now the lead guitarist for Asia.....Sam Coulson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3H_2QBka8U

Really sweet guitar.....very nice person.......

I love blues.....rock....punk.....zydeco......world...... some rap......jazz.....whatever sounds pleasing to me......

We listen to music everyday. Have a kick *** stereo.....and more cds than some of the stores I have been in.....don't have a tv.......listen to music, in the truck and at home.......

My husband plays guitar, but he hasn't played much since his heart attack......I play very badly......

I know some of the guys you mention......living in Calfornia......is a little more cultured musically than living in the places I have......

My Dad liked Bourbon......I didn't know there was a good one......I prefer Scotch or champagne.......but, I don't drink much.....

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Presently as Neptune is in the 19th degree of Pisces, where Yeshu'a's natal Part of Fortune is, the Sabian Symbol "THE MASTER INSTRUCTS HIS DISCIPLE", I have to wonder what that means for me as the incomplete, 7 out of 12 points, twelve point matrix, the "path of true discipleship" matrix, in my natal chart was completed by transit again this month. Neptune will go retrograde at 18* Pisces 43' on the 21st of June and will also return to that degree next year.

I have to imagine it will prove itself to be a most interesting period of my life yet to come.
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Presently as Neptune is in the 19th degree of Pisces, where Yeshu'a's natal Part of Fortune is, the Sabian Symbol "THE MASTER INSTRUCTS HIS DISCIPLE", I have to wonder what that means for me as the incomplete, 7 out of 12 points, twelve point matrix, the "path of true discipleship" matrix, in my natal chart was completed by transit again this month. Neptune will go retrograde at 18* Pisces 43' on the 21st of June and will also return to that degree next year.

I have to imagine it will prove itself to be a most interesting period of my life yet to come.

Hi Piercethevale,

The Sabian Symbols are interesting, but, I haven't followed them closely. It sounds like you are looking forward to sharing your thoughts. My IC is in Pisces. 11 degrees. When Neptune was conjunct, my husband had a heart attack and I moved us, he came home to a new place. Surprise entrance to the 4th house ........

Was thinking about your question to me the earlier......about second sight.......I said I don't.......in retrospect, I don't call it second sight.....there is just things I know......astrologically I would say it is Jupiter conjunct the Galactic Center.......I see things that can't be proved, in dreams.......that people look at me weird for mentioning......I don't know what it is, I just know.......

It's like inventions, they just come to me.......you know.....poof, bang.....clarity......but, that is Jupiter, Mercury and Uranus all tied together......by tight aspect......

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Hi Piercethevale,

The Sabian Symbols are interesting, but, I haven't followed them closely. It sounds like you are looking forward to sharing your thoughts. My IC is in Pisces. 11 degrees. When Neptune was conjunct, my husband had a heart attack and I moved us, he came home to a new place. Surprise entrance to the 4th house ........

Was thinking about your question to me the earlier......about second sight.......I said I don't.......in retrospect, I don't call it second sight.....there is just things I know......astrologically I would say it is Jupiter conjunct the Galactic Center.......I see things that can't be proved, in dreams.......that people look at me weird for mentioning......I don't know what it is, I just know.......

It's like inventions, they just come to me.......you know.....poof, bang.....clarity......but, that is Jupiter, Mercury and Uranus all tied together......by tight aspect......

Hope you are well.....Opal
The symbols are so varied in description that it is a testimonial to the genius and vision of the man who saw they are a process of transformation in proper sequential order, the late Dane Rudhyar.
Despite the fact I've been studying them some nearly 35 years now I still, on occasion, am perplexed how one particular symbol, so different in its imagery, could precede or follow another and yet each symbols serves in both roles...as there are two process, one in each direction, one immersing an individual more into Maya, the illusion, and the other freeing one of it.

When I read Danes explanation of the symbolism in the imagery and his interpretation of it, however, it does make sense to me...and, as far as I know, I'm the first to have noticed that it does work in both directions...other than Dane, as he inferred that it does numerous times in his writings about the Sabian Symbols. Perhaps it would be a more accurate thing for me to say that I was the first to have "caught on"... or at least to so publicly state as much?

I sometimes get the impression that Dane would have liked to have had more time to study them before He published his book , much as like Lao Tze whom, is reputed to have, said that He wished he "had two lifetimes to study the I Ching".

All I can offer as advice is to keep using them as that is the best means I know of as how to come to believe in them and progressively understand them individually and in context to the entire set.

I wrote my book in 2007 and the publisher finally manged to actually get it into print about three to four months after I submitted it to him and I found it most symbolic in that the date of the first printing was on a March 3rd, as the number 33 is the esoteric number for Yeshu'a/Jesus, the man... which I believe is from a source that is the Gnostic Christians of the first century A.D. [or C.E. for those that prefer]. It was about two and a half months later that the incomplete 12 point matrix found on my birth chart was completed by transiting influences and as I realized of August of that year that the publisher wasn't making any effort to promote the book and seemed destined to languish in obscurity I came to a conclusion that I had to go online and seek out means to make people, especially fellow astrologers, aware of it. I even got a list of names with email addresses for every astrologer attending the annual astrologers convention that year, of those that had email addresses and sent an announcement to everyone of them and yet, as I seem to recall, I only received two or three emails in reply and one was rather very sarcastic.

I was very new to the internet experience at the time...I only got my first computer in late 2006 and hadn't really spent much time online outside of using astrodienst's website to make charts but I soon and when I finally realized that astrodienst had a forum for astrologers I joined and began writing there. I had difficulty getting my posts online after a few weeks there, never could figure out what was causing them to not be posted until I had made numerous efforts to do so and so I naively took another members advice that i create a second indentity at that forum as for a "backup" when difficulty arose. I hadn't read all the rules of the forum foolishly thinking there were just matters of decorum and conduct so I did create a second identity and promptly got myself banned for life. Despite my plea for leniency and explanation of what happened I was flatly refused for readmission.
Astrodienst's subsequent altering of the data that corresponds with the birth date of Yeshu'a gives me reason enough to believe I know why I was so adamantly refused and in fact I may have even been "set up"?

So from there I went to the M.S.N. sponsored forum for astrologers and M.S.N. discontinued that forum after I was posting there for about three months time. You may notice that while I did join this forum in October of 2007 I only made one post, an announcement about such a chart being produced and that a book would be forthcoming shortly as it was at that time that I had just completed the writing of it... although it took me another two months to edit it...and yet it still was a terrible job of both writing and the editing and as the editing process was mostly consumed with correcting spelling and grammatical errors I had little time to actually re-write portions of it that I now wish had been. Had I not been such a poor student in the subject of English at school I would have had a great deal more of that time to address the writing content itself.

then I tried to write at skyscript but pretty much got the boot from Deborah Houlding, whom is the admin. and owner of that website...and she is a hardcore "traditionalist" with little tolerance for any other viewpoint that stems from post 17th century progress in astrological techniques and knowledge and astronomical discoveries and findings. It's understandable as she and most of her forums' members being professional astrologers that employ those antiquated beliefs and their many erroneous techniques would likely lose a great percentage of their clientele if they did admit any such thing as having been wrong in the past. ...but it's not excusable.

You may notice that it was in December of 2008 that I began posting here at astrology weeklys' forum and have continued to do so ever since. I deleted a great many threads of which I was the sole contributor as I believed for a time I would be leaving this forum for other activities elsewhere. thus the number of posts given to my credit presently don't really give indication of how much I have actually spent of my time and effort writing here.

That...is what I believe that completion of the matrix in my chart, the one so called as "the path of discipleship", has amounted to.

The one thing I am most convinced of that I have learned from the experience and thus what to expect next is, 'to not expect anything and yet be ready for it as well".

As I learned from meeting my friend, and fellow yogi, Suryakant, in 2003 when He loaned me a his copy of the book written by the late Swami Sivananda,of the Japa Order of Yoga of India as for the most wise one had written about my rather rare and peculiar path being one that is a polarity, in a sense, of all other paths that I've ever been knowledgeable even to this date that I am not to become a renunciate, definitely not that I renounce the mundane world and isolate myself from it, but rather remain immersed in it and fully engage with it. He also wrote that the chakras are to be worked upon, as to mastering them or at least being able to control them, in the reverse order, that is to say from the crown chakra downwards. I thought about that again not too many months ago and scoffed at the idea of it as I haven't made any such effort, although I have worked with [or on] a few over the many years since I first attempted meditation using yogic technique and had success doing so which validated, for me, not only their existence but that they could be activated, but in reverse? I actually chuckled out loud ...and then it dawned on me, as I contemplated on it, that the charkas have been doing that very process without my having noticed...one by one is succession and in the reverse order from the crown on down

It was a most humbling realization.
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I just tried to answer you it wouldn’t submit, and now my keyboard won’t work .........

What books do yo recommend of Danes, and what books on Sabian Symbols?

Is your book available?

I have never meditated, I am not good at relaxing, I am too aware of my surroundings.......always......
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I had to restart my computer to unfreeze the keyboard.....

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The symbols are so varied in description that it is a testimonial to the genius and vision of the man who saw they are a process of transformation in proper sequential order, the late Dane Rudhyar.
Despite the fact I've been studying them some nearly 35 years now I still, on occasion, am perplexed how one particular symbol, so different in its imagery, could precede or follow another and yet each symbols serves in both roles...as there are two process, one in each direction, one immersing an individual more into Maya, the illusion, and the other freeing one of it.

I find it interesting that you see the two directions, as with all of the occult arts? the positive and the negative are there......astrology, tarot, numerology.....positive/negative permeates the system......battery operated......it would seem that the universe and all things in it are battery/energy operated.....the sign alternate, alternating current.......


When I read Danes explanation of the symbolism in the imagery and his interpretation of it, however, it does make sense to me...and, as far as I know, I'm the first to have noticed that it does work in both directions...other than Dane, as he inferred that it does numerous times in his writings about the Sabian Symbols. Perhaps it would be a more accurate thing for me to say that I was the first to have "caught on"... or at least to so publicly state as much?

What are your favorite of Danes writings/books?

I sometimes get the impression that Dane would have liked to have had more time to study them before He published his book , much as like Lao Tze whom, is reputed to have, said that He wished he "had two lifetimes to study the I Ching".

I am not sure that 2 would be enough do you believe, that we are born to our next lifetime to further what we have managed in the last lifetimes? Do you believe that we are punished for mismanagement of our gifts of past lifetimes?

All I can offer as advice is to keep using them as that is the best means I know of as how to come to believe in them and progressively understand them individually and in context to the entire set.

I do own "New Mansions for New Men" and "The Astrological Houses" by Rudhyar. Do you recommend one over the other.....or just read them both.......

I wrote my book in 2007 and the publisher finally manged to actually get it into print about three to four months after I submitted it to him and I found it most symbolic in that the date of the first printing was on a March 3rd, as the number 33 is the esoteric number for Yeshu'a/Jesus, the man... which I believe is from a source that is the Gnostic Christians of the first century A.D. [or C.E. for those that prefer]. It was about two and a half months later that the incomplete 12 point matrix found on my birth chart was completed by transiting influences and as I realized of August of that year that the publisher wasn't making any effort to promote the book and seemed destined to languish in obscurity I came to a conclusion that I had to go online and seek out means to make people, especially fellow astrologers, aware of it. I even got a list of names with email addresses for every astrologer attending the annual astrologers convention that year, of those that had email addresses and sent an announcement to everyone of them and yet, as I seem to recall, I only received two or three emails in reply and one was rather very sarcastic.

Is it available?

I was very new to the internet experience at the time...I only got my first computer in late 2006 and hadn't really spent much time online outside of using astrodienst's website to make charts but I soon and when I finally realized that astrodienst had a forum for astrologers I joined and began writing there. I had difficulty getting my posts online after a few weeks there, never could figure out what was causing them to not be posted until I had made numerous efforts to do so and so I naively took another members advice that i create a second indentity at that forum as for a "backup" when difficulty arose. I hadn't read all the rules of the forum foolishly thinking there were just matters of decorum and conduct so I did create a second identity and promptly got myself banned for life. Despite my plea for leniency and explanation of what happened I was flatly refused for readmission.
Astrodienst's subsequent altering of the data that corresponds with the birth date of Yeshu'a gives me reason enough to believe I know why I was so adamantly refused and in fact I may have even been "set up"?

I understand.....been there, I believe.....


So from there I went to the M.S.N. sponsored forum for astrologers and M.S.N. discontinued that forum after I was posting there for about three months time. You may notice that while I did join this forum in October of 2007 I only made one post, an announcement about such a chart being produced and that a book would be forthcoming shortly as it was at that time that I had just completed the writing of it... although it took me another two months to edit it...and yet it still was a terrible job of both writing and the editing and as the editing process was mostly consumed with correcting spelling and grammatical errors I had little time to actually re-write portions of it that I now wish had been. Had I not been such a poor student in the subject of English at school I would have had a great deal more of that time to address the writing content itself.

Editing is priceless......for typos, and context.....

then I tried to write at skyscript but pretty much got the boot from Deborah Houlding, whom is the admin. and owner of that website...and she is a hardcore "traditionalist" with little tolerance for any other viewpoint that stems from post 17th century progress in astrological techniques and knowledge and astronomical discoveries and findings. It's understandable as she and most of her forums' members being professional astrologers that employ those antiquated beliefs and their many erroneous techniques would likely lose a great percentage of their clientele if they did admit any such thing as having been wrong in the past. ...but it's not excusable.

Without the basics, we are nowhere, without advancement we are nowhere.......

You may notice that it was in December of 2008 that I began posting here at astrology weeklys' forum and have continued to do so ever since. I deleted a great many threads of which I was the sole contributor as I believed for a time I would be leaving this forum for other activities elsewhere. thus the number of posts given to my credit presently don't really give indication of how much I have actually spent of my time and effort writing here.

I have a thread, that I opened, no answers, but, it is the busy season, getting back there....or anywhere is difficult......winter cometh......

That...is what I believe that completion of the matrix in my chart, the one so called as "the path of discipleship", has amounted to.

The one thing I am most convinced of that I have learned from the experience and thus what to expect next is, 'to not expect anything and yet be ready for it as well".

Good motto!

As I learned from meeting my friend, and fellow yogi, Suryakant, in 2003 when He loaned me a his copy of the book written by the late Swami Sivananda,of the Japa Order of Yoga of India as for the most wise one had written about my rather rare and peculiar path being one that is a polarity, in a sense, of all other paths that I've ever been knowledgeable even to this date that I am not to become a renunciate, definitely not that I renounce the mundane world and isolate myself from it, but rather remain immersed in it and fully engage with it. He also wrote that the chakras are to be worked upon, as to mastering them or at least being able to control them, in the reverse order, that is to say from the crown chakra downwards. I thought about that again not too many months ago and scoffed at the idea of it as I haven't made any such effort, although I have worked with [or on] a few over the many years since I first attempted meditation using yogic technique and had success doing so which validated, for me, not only their existence but that they could be activated, but in reverse? I actually chuckled out loud ...and then it dawned on me, as I contemplated on it, that the charkas have been doing that very process without my having noticed...one by one is succession and in the reverse order from the crown on down

It was a most humbling realization.
I have never delved into meditation and yoga. Well, I have tried to meditate.....but, I am too hypersensitive to my surroundings to allow myself to do anything but control......PTSD.......always wanting to be aware of every movement and sound around......can't get there.......

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