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Account for karmic life changes in Astrology derived & dependent on Birth Moment?

Account for karmic life changes in Astrology derived & dependent on Birth details?

Full Question with reference to this part of video:

How can Jyotish/ Astrology derived from & dependent on Birth details, take into account positive/ negative changes & deviation in current life karmas/ sanskars and its effects?
Can it/ Does it?
If so, by what mechanism(s)?


https://youtu.be/plbuuAgth4s?t=603 - (Any way to embed video here itself? So people can watch here without opening a window)
English Transcript (She speaks part Hindi and English and below is Google's auto generated CC in English).
You can enable the same going into Settings as you watch to understand what she is saying.


Essentially, she says the Birth Chart or Astro calculations dependent on or a Snapshot of KARMAs we brought from the past life and AT THE MOMENT of BIRTH... As our actions karmas and impressions change and deviate through life.. the VALIDITY of the Birth Snapshot document changes.

My question is, is / are there Jyotish mechanisms to/ that help to differentially UPDATE & RECONCILE?

PS: This is the only article I found that talks about it, and very briefly..
Fate, Free Will And Vedic Astrology

Quote:
"The sages created Vedic astrology to help human beings understand the cycles of their lives based on karma they'd created in previous incarnations.
The horoscope was designed as a kind of report card for the soul that summarized their level of accomplishment up to the moment they were born."



Video Transcript in English
Code:
143
00:10:02,660 --> 00:10:08,120
I met an astrologer and asked him how do you make this horoscope on  the first day of birth

144
00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,360
He said, based on planets

145
00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,960
I said, what if 2 children are born the same moment

146
00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,380
Then why the horoscope of the two is different

147
00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:23,640
Then, he said it is based on the effect of planets on the sanskar that the soul has carried.

148
00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:27,600
But, the horoscope is made today

149
00:10:27,780 --> 00:10:29,520
But even 40 years from now

150
00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:32,480
We still check the same horoscope

151
00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,095
To know what would happen next

152
00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:41,160
What about all the karmas that the soul is doing in these 40 years

153
00:10:41,380 --> 00:10:44,220
We  have to see the effect of that as well

154
00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,315
We at the age of 50, say that 25 years back...

155
00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,645
Astrologer said that at the age 50, this would happen

156
00:10:50,645 --> 00:10:53,640
But in those 25 years what all karmas I did

157
00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,120
Needs to be considered into that

158
00:10:56,220 --> 00:10:59,220
Some good karma and some bad karma which I did.

159
00:10:59,220 --> 00:11:03,160
Whatever I did needs to be updated

160
00:11:03,260 --> 00:11:07,400
Then he said a very nice thing.

161
00:11:07,740 --> 00:11:12,720
He said, no one goes to them to discuss sanskars

162
00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:16,920
He said people go to them to ask about

163
00:11:17,140 --> 00:11:21,540
..about whatever we go and ask for

164
00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,220
He said

165
00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,020
Majority of the people

166
00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:31,500
Don't change the sanskars that they are carrying with them

167
00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,020
So, when they don't change their sanskar

168
00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:40,820
The horoscope turns out to be right

169
00:11:41,020 --> 00:11:44,520
Because....the horoscope was made based on

170
00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:47,760
My sanskar on that first day

171
00:11:47,940 --> 00:11:53,760
And, effect of planet on my sanskar which I got on the first day

172
00:11:53,940 --> 00:11:55,500
So, if I don't change my sanskar

173
00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,300
Then what they are going to say will always be right

174
00:11:59,460 --> 00:12:03,300
And then I asked him, what if we change our sanskar?

175
00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:06,380
It is his words, so I am quoting him

176
00:12:06,380 --> 00:12:11,020
He said, - "Then, this document is not valid for that person"

177
00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,160
Because, the sanskar itself is changed

178
00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,180
So, when the sanskar is changed then the effect

179
00:12:17,580 --> 00:12:20,680
would change and the destiny will change.

180
00:12:20,685 --> 00:12:21,685
Therefore

181
00:12:22,105 --> 00:12:24,695
Those who have got it checked

182
00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:27,940
Would experience that few things will turn out to be right, as predicted

183
00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,120
And a few don't

184
00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,860
Because, some of our sanskars do change

185
00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,060
Either this way or that way, but the sanskars do change

186
00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:42,700
So there cannot be 100% accuracy every time

187
00:12:42,940 --> 00:12:45,800
So, we have 2 ways of living

188
00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,260
One, dependency

189
00:12:47,460 --> 00:12:50,480
And second, responsibility

190
00:12:51,020 --> 00:12:54,440
Responsibility, that I have the power

191
00:12:54,580 --> 00:12:57,140
To change any sanskar

192
00:12:57,220 --> 00:13:02,820
And if I have changed the sanskar, I have the power to change my destiny

193
00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,300
Irrespective of what is written

194
00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:12,080
The horoscope is based on the carry-forward sanskars of the past births

195
00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:15,780
It's like 31st March and 1st April.

196
00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:18,640
Our business is going on.

197
00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:25,520
On the balance sheet, the total on 31st March will be carried forward to 1st April.

198
00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:36,220
The business I did last year,  the way I did it,  is showing me on 31st March

199
00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,960
If I do the business the same way

200
00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,520
My next year would be the same

201
00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:47,960
But if I change the way I do business

202
00:13:48,060 --> 00:14:04,900
any loss that we carried into this year, we can change into profit, and sometimes profit can be changed to loss.

203
00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:08,760
...we can shift towards loss

204
00:14:08,780 --> 00:14:11,480
But never mind. Let's change our ways today, and we will again go towards profit

205
00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,220
Every moment the power

206
00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:16,240
Is only with one person

207
00:14:17,380 --> 00:00:00,000
With me

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Re: Account for karmic life changes in Astrology derived & dependent on Birth Moment?

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Account for karmic life changes in Astrology derived & dependent on Birth details?

Full Question with reference to this part of video:

How can Jyotish/ Astrology derived from & dependent on Birth details, take into account positive/ negative changes & deviation in current life karmas/ sanskars and its effects?
Can it/ Does it?
If so, by what mechanism(s)?


https://youtu.be/plbuuAgth4s?t=603 - (Any way to embed video here itself? So people can watch here without opening a window)
English Transcript (She speaks part Hindi and English and below is Google's auto generated CC in English).
You can enable the same going into Settings as you watch to understand what she is saying.


Essentially, she says the Birth Chart or Astro calculations dependent on or a Snapshot of KARMAs we brought from the past life and AT THE MOMENT of BIRTH... As our actions karmas and impressions change and deviate through life.. the VALIDITY of the Birth Snapshot document changes.

My question is, is / are there Jyotish mechanisms to/ that help to differentially UPDATE & RECONCILE?

PS: This is the only article I found that talks about it, and very briefly..
Fate, Free Will And Vedic Astrology






Video Transcript in English
Code:
143
00:10:02,660 --> 00:10:08,120
I met an astrologer and asked him how do you make this horoscope on  the first day of birth

144
00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,360
He said, based on planets

145
00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,960
I said, what if 2 children are born the same moment

146
00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:18,380
Then why the horoscope of the two is different

147
00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:23,640
Then, he said it is based on the effect of planets on the sanskar that the soul has carried.

148
00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:27,600
But, the horoscope is made today

149
00:10:27,780 --> 00:10:29,520
But even 40 years from now

150
00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:32,480
We still check the same horoscope

151
00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,095
To know what would happen next

152
00:10:35,100 --> 00:10:41,160
What about all the karmas that the soul is doing in these 40 years

153
00:10:41,380 --> 00:10:44,220
We  have to see the effect of that as well

154
00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,315
We at the age of 50, say that 25 years back...

155
00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,645
Astrologer said that at the age 50, this would happen

156
00:10:50,645 --> 00:10:53,640
But in those 25 years what all karmas I did

157
00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,120
Needs to be considered into that

158
00:10:56,220 --> 00:10:59,220
Some good karma and some bad karma which I did.

159
00:10:59,220 --> 00:11:03,160
Whatever I did needs to be updated

160
00:11:03,260 --> 00:11:07,400
Then he said a very nice thing.

161
00:11:07,740 --> 00:11:12,720
He said, no one goes to them to discuss sanskars

162
00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:16,920
He said people go to them to ask about

163
00:11:17,140 --> 00:11:21,540
..about whatever we go and ask for

164
00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,220
He said

165
00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,020
Majority of the people

166
00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:31,500
Don't change the sanskars that they are carrying with them

167
00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,020
So, when they don't change their sanskar

168
00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:40,820
The horoscope turns out to be right

169
00:11:41,020 --> 00:11:44,520
Because....the horoscope was made based on

170
00:11:44,700 --> 00:11:47,760
My sanskar on that first day

171
00:11:47,940 --> 00:11:53,760
And, effect of planet on my sanskar which I got on the first day

172
00:11:53,940 --> 00:11:55,500
So, if I don't change my sanskar

173
00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,300
Then what they are going to say will always be right

174
00:11:59,460 --> 00:12:03,300
And then I asked him, what if we change our sanskar?

175
00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:06,380
It is his words, so I am quoting him

176
00:12:06,380 --> 00:12:11,020
He said, - "Then, this document is not valid for that person"

177
00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,160
Because, the sanskar itself is changed

178
00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,180
So, when the sanskar is changed then the effect

179
00:12:17,580 --> 00:12:20,680
would change and the destiny will change.

180
00:12:20,685 --> 00:12:21,685
Therefore

181
00:12:22,105 --> 00:12:24,695
Those who have got it checked

182
00:12:24,700 --> 00:12:27,940
Would experience that few things will turn out to be right, as predicted

183
00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,120
And a few don't

184
00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,860
Because, some of our sanskars do change

185
00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,060
Either this way or that way, but the sanskars do change

186
00:12:37,060 --> 00:12:42,700
So there cannot be 100% accuracy every time

187
00:12:42,940 --> 00:12:45,800
So, we have 2 ways of living

188
00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:47,260
One, dependency

189
00:12:47,460 --> 00:12:50,480
And second, responsibility

190
00:12:51,020 --> 00:12:54,440
Responsibility, that I have the power

191
00:12:54,580 --> 00:12:57,140
To change any sanskar

192
00:12:57,220 --> 00:13:02,820
And if I have changed the sanskar, I have the power to change my destiny

193
00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,300
Irrespective of what is written

194
00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:12,080
The horoscope is based on the carry-forward sanskars of the past births

195
00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:15,780
It's like 31st March and 1st April.

196
00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:18,640
Our business is going on.

197
00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:25,520
On the balance sheet, the total on 31st March will be carried forward to 1st April.

198
00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:36,220
The business I did last year,  the way I did it,  is showing me on 31st March

199
00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:38,960
If I do the business the same way

200
00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,520
My next year would be the same

201
00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:47,960
But if I change the way I do business

202
00:13:48,060 --> 00:14:04,900
any loss that we carried into this year, we can change into profit, and sometimes profit can be changed to loss.

203
00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:08,760
...we can shift towards loss

204
00:14:08,780 --> 00:14:11,480
But never mind. Let's change our ways today, and we will again go towards profit

205
00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,220
Every moment the power

206
00:14:14,220 --> 00:14:16,240
Is only with one person

207
00:14:17,380 --> 00:00:00,000
With me



Hello Insight,


Very good questions!


At first, in this world of impatience that we are living in, it will do you good to go through my website in details to help in getting the understanding of my replies to much of your query.


Then, go through a little bit of what multi crafts can give one in future telling and also knowledge into the self.


Mind you, the free predictions made are just a short time devoted, thus very incomplete.


In my studies in astrology I came across the twin births too.
The K.P. method in astrology possibly give some/an answer to this.


While studying and experiencing astrology I realised that even a twin has different birth registered names and palms, mounts, and even whorls.


II realised, after studying and experiencing palmistry, I understood that certain things palms predict is not easily seen in astrology, and very much vice versa.


Then in later years I went along to study and experience Numerology in depth, and realised the same.


Predicting through astrology by itself is incomplete.


A peek at the success stories of palmistry (google links) at my website will give the scope of palmistry.
The numerology success stories haven't yet updated properly yet.

Vedic astrology or Jyotish (Jyoti + Isha) means the Divine Science/craft of of light (or the third eye).
I have begun to believe that all these 3 crafts (and others, if any) are part of this.

Together we get better light of divination.
One just has to experience and ........




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Also omens, either by themselves or alongwith astrology, such as in Ashtamangala Prashna ritual...! :-)
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The Prarabdha karma that decides the destiny of an individual at birth is a small part of the Sanchit karma that have accumulated over incarnations. To say that Kriyaman karma will alter the destiny in any birth will mean that the Kriyaman will become operative in that lifetime alone and will not form part of the Sanchit (accumulated) karmas. It goes contrary to the definition of Sanchit karma. This does not have authenticity since it cannot be verified by a living being and it is not stated in any classical text.
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The Prarabdha karma that decides the destiny of an individual at birth is a small part of the Sanchit karma that have accumulated over incarnations. To say that Kriyaman karma will alter the destiny in any birth will mean that the Kriyaman will become operative in that lifetime alone and will not form part of the Sanchit (accumulated) karmas. It goes contrary to the definition of Sanchit karma. This does not have authenticity since it cannot be verified by a living being and it is not stated in any classical text.
My understanding based on discussions and reading is that SANCHITA is full summation... while PRARABDH is the AMOUNT of KARMA out of SANCHIT that a SOUL or at DIVINE level one has DECIDED to EXPERIENCE & ENCOUNTER in X/ Current life.

The question is for CURRENT LIFE based on PRARABDH - luggage SNAPSHOT that is BROUGHT towards current life instance only..

If Luggage at Time = 0 (Time of Birth) is X,
Then Luggage at Time = Y years (e.g. Y = 30 years), is X +/- Delta X.

From that point onwards is there way to better DETERMINE JYOTISH PARAMETERS and UPDATE ones UPDATED Luggage Flow (X +/- Delta X) instead of still GAUGING only based on Karmic luggage X (from time of birth).

What Jyotish Parameters can/ should be used to SYNC / CORRELATE between.. LIFE FLOW begun at a BIRTH and LIFE FLOW having changed 30 years after BIRTH...

After all no Jyotish ever claims perfect THIS IS HOW IT WILL BE.. They highlight WHAT WILL BE, BASED on WHAT WE CAN SEE, BASED on WHAT LUGGAGE was CARRIED OVER at TIME of BIRTH.

Its like a Stock Market... you calculate investment strategy & stuff at time of IPO...

But 30 years later that Stock has UPDATED and one must find ways to UPDATE the next steps of Investment Strategy (of ONES LIFE).
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Would like to submit the following articles written a while ago. They might be of some utility to you.

http://www.boloji.com/articles/1055/fate-or-free-will
http://www.boloji.com/articles/1066/...nd-human-karma
http://www.boloji.com/articles/1058/how-astrology-works
http://www.boloji.com/articles/1072/myths-in-jyotish
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I just opened these articles and I feel lost in trying to read them.

Simple question .. to all vedic or non vedic frameworks..

Is there some VARIABLES/ PARAMETERS in the FRAMEWORKS to Determine & Calculate for what has CHANGED (is the DELTA of Karmic Baggage since time of Birth at time t=0) since time of Birth SNAPSHOT.

At Birth:
t=0
PK= P
SK = S
AG = A

So the Snapshot or Astrochart / Patri is DATA Variables composed of PK values. Righ?

At Death
t=D

Assuming SK is only recalculated summation at Death

At t = 20, 30, 40 years.. whatever age..

i.e. t +10, t +20 etc.

What Jyotish parameters
allow/ enable one to gauge.. changing nature of

PK & AK i.e. change in P & A i.e. Delta P & Delta A

at time t + X.

PS:

In summary, any Astro science is nothing but these 2 steps:

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...065#post966065

1. Astral Space & Time Math - Measure & Calculate
2. Interpret its meaning & Significance.
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My understanding based on discussions and reading is that SANCHITA is full summation... while PRARABDH is the AMOUNT of KARMA out of SANCHIT that a SOUL or at DIVINE level one has DECIDED to EXPERIENCE & ENCOUNTER in X/ Current life.

The question is for CURRENT LIFE based on PRARABDH - luggage SNAPSHOT that is BROUGHT towards current life instance only..

If Luggage at Time = 0 (Time of Birth) is X,
Then Luggage at Time = Y years (e.g. Y = 30 years), is X +/- Delta X.

From that point onwards is there way to better DETERMINE JYOTISH PARAMETERS and UPDATE ones UPDATED Luggage Flow (X +/- Delta X) instead of still GAUGING only based on Karmic luggage X (from time of birth).

What Jyotish Parameters can/ should be used to SYNC / CORRELATE between.. LIFE FLOW begun at a BIRTH and LIFE FLOW having changed 30 years after BIRTH...

After all no Jyotish ever claims perfect THIS IS HOW IT WILL BE.. They highlight WHAT WILL BE, BASED on WHAT WE CAN SEE, BASED on WHAT LUGGAGE was CARRIED OVER at TIME of BIRTH.

Its like a Stock Market... you calculate investment strategy & stuff at time of IPO...

But 30 years later that Stock has UPDATED and one must find ways to UPDATE the next steps of Investment Strategy (of ONES LIFE).




Quote:
Originally Posted by insight View Post
I just opened these articles and I feel lost in trying to read them.

Simple question .. to all vedic or non vedic frameworks..

Is there some VARIABLES/ PARAMETERS in the FRAMEWORKS to Determine & Calculate for what has CHANGED (is the DELTA of Karmic Baggage since time of Birth at time t=0) since time of Birth SNAPSHOT.

At Birth:
t=0
PK= P
SK = S
AG = A

So the Snapshot or Astrochart / Patri is DATA Variables composed of PK values. Righ?

At Death
t=D

Assuming SK is only recalculated summation at Death

At t = 20, 30, 40 years.. whatever age..

i.e. t +10, t +20 etc.

What Jyotish parameters
allow/ enable one to gauge.. changing nature of

PK & AK i.e. change in P & A i.e. Delta P & Delta A

at time t + X.

PS:

In summary, any Astro science is nothing but these 2 steps:

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...065#post966065

1. Astral Space & Time Math - Measure & Calculate
2. Interpret its meaning & Significance.

Insight,

From your replies it seems your thoughts/explanations are much embellished in 'ganitha' and equations and mathematics.........

Higher Philosophies, and even Actions, Karmas, Impressions cannot just be explained/analyzed productively by only Equations and Ganitha; leave alone the question of God & even morality.

In addition to my earlier reply below which you chose not to reply to, let me add that I am a reasonably serious researcher of destiny since the past many years (about 40 years)...
Thus forty years of experiencing Divinatory crafts, life and destiny, in which I have found that everything could not be foretold & demarcated by Astrology of the Zodiac......for which I also researched other crafts of divination like Palmistry & Astrology......and found better explanations of those points in life which we can change and the ones we cannot.

(one may term my statements as self marketing, which is not entirely untrue; as explaining oneself is self marketing).
Anyway the "Proof of the Pudding lies in the eating"

Actions, Karmas, Impressions has to change in life; And there are prediction mechanisms 'even' in Jyotish, called dasas.

There are 3 types of Dasas, and about 40 dasa systems; for predicting changes through the mind, Physical self and even spiritual, including impressions, and it would do you good to study and EXPERIENCE a few of these.

I wonder if you are well studied in any of these predictive divinations to discount their accuracy in predictingthe above mentioned


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Hello Insight,


Very good questions!


At first, in this world of impatience that we are living in, it will do you good to go through my website in details to help in getting the understanding of my replies to much of your query.


Then, go through a little bit of what multi crafts can give one in future telling and also knowledge into the self.


Mind you, the free predictions made are just a short time devoted, thus very incomplete.


In my studies in astrology I came across the twin births too.
The K.P. method in astrology possibly give some/an answer to this.


While studying and experiencing astrology I realised that even a twin has different birth registered names and palms, mounts, and even whorls.


II realised, after studying and experiencing palmistry, I understood that certain things palms predict is not easily seen in astrology, and very much vice versa.


Then in later years I went along to study and experience Numerology in depth, and realised the same.


Predicting through astrology by itself is incomplete.


A peek at the success stories of palmistry (google links) at my website will give the scope of palmistry.
The numerology success stories haven't yet updated properly yet.

Vedic astrology or Jyotish (Jyoti + Isha) means the Divine Science/craft of of light (or the third eye).
I have begun to believe that all these 3 crafts (and others, if any) are part of this.

Together we get better light of divination.
One just has to experience and ........




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