Financial Collapse

AstroAries

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The Saturn/Pluto midpoint deals with bankruptcy and financial loss. On October 6th, Mercury will be squaring this midpoint (difficult aspects activate midpoints). Mercury is commerce and trade so perhaps this is where we will see a worldwide financial loss. I hope not. Can anyone elaborate on this?
 

unique_astrology

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Here is a post from a friend who has passed since he made it. I had John's permission to save this for future use.

You might find material helpful to you in looking at the financial future of the U.S.

Post by John Battalana before the financial crash in 2008. He posted as JohnTWB or Blazingstar. His full name was John Thomas Wyder Battalana. John passed from cancer on May 25, 2015 in Jakarta. John's career was in banking. He was a good astrologer and researcher with a personal library of about 8.000 books.

To make sure this part of his post is not missed (it is at the end of the post) I am copying it here. He suspected that something big was about to happen.

"Oh, one last thing, the February 20, 2008 lunar eclipse's Pluto 00* Capricorn 42' conjoins the Federal Reserve Act's Sol 01* Capricorn 33'; and opposes the Act's Pluto 00* Cancer 05' Rx [Natus: December 23, 1913, 18:02 EST, Washington, D.C.]

As it's been often enough said in the Orient, adversity should continue to make for a very interesting year, and in this case, for the FED's year."

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MSG 17227: The Dollar, the Greenback, the FED & [corrected , Feb 2008 eclipse…

JohnTWB Jan 20, 2008

Hi List members:

Here's a timeline of significant events regarding the US Dollar, old (coin) and not so old (paper), the FED, and the connexity of said events.

BACKGROUND: Wall Street, NYC, was the Capital of the USA from January 11, 1785 until August 12, 1790 (The day of the Hamiltonian Public Debt Act, which legacy America has carried ever since). During this Wall Street era were initiated the following: the Dollar; the Northwest Ordinance; the Bill of Rights; the Congressional, Excecutive, and Judicial branches, and the designation of the permanent seat of the U.S. Government at Washington, D.C., to be commenced in 1800. All initiated in Federal Hall, Wall Street, way-downtown New York City.

EVENT 1785: THE DOLLAR

The U.S.A. DOLLAR was born on a Cancerous New Moon, July 6, 1785, in the USA Congress of the Confederation, at a time moment in the interval 11:00/12:00 hrs. This the "USA" DOLLAR of the first constitution, which was legally tranformed to be what it remains today, the "US" DOLLAR of the second constitution, as re-enacted on April 2, 1792. [Btw: Just as the Confederation's Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787 was re-enacted by the U.S. Congress on August 7, 1789.]

JULY 6, 1785, WALL STREET, NEW YORK CITY, 11:00 LMT, EST. WHEN VOTED

ASC: 00* Libra 00'
PARS FORTUNA: 01* Libra 42'
NEPTUNE: 11* Libra 52'
MERCURY: 02* Cancer 11'
MARS: 27* Aries 20'
JUPITER: 13* Aries 22'

EVENT 1786: FIRST GOVERNMENT MINT ENACTED

OCTOBER 16, 1786, WALL STREET, NEW YORK CITY, NOONTIME, EST. @ 11:42 LMT

SOL: 23* Libra 29'
MERCURY: 19* Libra 37'
NEPTUNE 16* Libra 46'

OCTOBER 15, 1794: FIRST SILVER DOLLAR COIN MINTED, SOL = 22* Libra 25'

The enabling act for the U.S.A. Mint is dated October 16, 1786, two months after Congress agreed upon the specifications of the physical dimensions of USA coinage: silver, gold, and copper, as enacted on August 8, 1786, after that of July 6, 1785. The first coin produced by the Mint, by way of subcontractor sponsorship, was the copper Fugio One Cent piece. The USA DOLLAR was defined physically as a coin of a specfied quantity and quality of silver metal; and, furthermore, where 100 copper cents equals one dollar and the USA Eagle, a gold coin, is equal in value to 10 dollars. In context, the word 'standard' as in 'standard money' refers to just these physical specifications; the word as originally purposed has nothing to do with government policies or programs, numerous textbooks to the contrary notwithstanding.

EVENT 1861: THE GREENBACKS

In 1861 the Lincoln War Congress birthed the GREENBACK, the advent of the modern U.S. Government's monopoly-issued paper Dollar. (This IS the operative US Dollar radix event: It being immaterial whether said Dollars have been issued directly by the Treasury, or later indirectly, by the Treasury's statutory agent, the FED; all the paper dollar denominations issued since August 10, 1861 remain to this day good-for-trade GREENBACKS). The very first Treasury notes, being the GREENBACKS when signed on first issue, were the Lincoln $10 bill and Hamilton $5 bill. Much later and currently, Lincoln's portrait adorns the $5 bill and Hamilton's the $10 bill. I do not know the occult significance of this portrait switch by the early FED. Obviously, by their way of thinking Alexander Hamilton's legacy is worth twice as much to them as is Abraham Lincoln's. Perhaps this switch reflects what one clever wag has suggested, that Hamilton was the real president behind the U.S. President during the 12 years of the Washington and Adams administrations, 1789-1801.

GREENBACKS BORN, AUGUST 10, 1861, WASHINGTON, D.C., a Saturday morning, between 8:30 and 9:30 hrs. EDITED NOW BY ME TO INSERT LATER TIME ADJUSTMENT BY JOHN OF 8:36 AM, LMT. ANGLES BEING TRANSITED NOW BY THE SATURN/PLUTO MIDPOINT.

EVENT 1914: THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM [CENTRAL BANK]

OCTOBER 5, 1914: Benjamin Strong was appointed President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York [FRBNY] during the first board of directors' meeting of record, which was commenced at 11:00 hrs. This event marked the official start of the FRBNY, the primus-inter-pares of the 12 banking districts of the U.S. central banking system. This central banking system ought to be forthrightly characterized, but has never been done in the mainstream, as the FRBNY and its 11 branches, eventhough each of these branches is formally a bank in its own right. The FRBNY's first annual financial report covered the interval October 5, 1914 until December 31, 1915, which is 15 months. Subsequent annual reports have been for the conventional interval of January/December.

THE REAL FED BORN, OCTOBER 5, 1914, WALL STREET, NEW YORK CITY, @ EST. 11:34 EST

SOL: 11* Libra 35' [Partile 1785 Dollar's Neptune & partile 1861 Greenbacks' Luna]
LUNA: 27* Aries 20' [Partile 1785 Dollar's Mars]
VENUS: 26* Scorpio 34' [Square 1861 Greenbacks' Mars]
SATURN: 02* Cancer 15' [Partile 1785 Dollar's Mercury]
PLUTO: 02* Cancer 14' Rx [Partile 1785 Dollar's Mercury]
S. LUNAR NODE: 05* Virgo 25' Rx [Conjunct 1861 Greenbacks' Jupiter & Saturn]
BLACK MOON: 04* Taurus 50' [Conjunct 1861 Greenbacks' Black Moon]

FEBRUARY 2008:

Please note that there'll be a total lunar eclipse on February 20, 2008, exact at 22:31 EST Wall Street . . . [I deliberately leave aside the Chinese New Year's day annular solar eclipse of February 6, 2008 at 23:45 EST, although I do note a partile opposition of the eclipse point 17* Aquarius 44' to the Greenbacks Sol, the conjunction of transit Jupiter 11* Capricorn 12' to the Greenbacks' N. lunar Node]. . . . The lunar eclipse's transit Jupiter 13* Capricorn 59' squares FRBNY's Sol; Transit Saturn 05* Virgo 25' Rx partiles exactly FRBNY's south lunar Node 05* Virgo 25' Rx; Transit lunar Nodes 27*44' AQ/LE square FRBNY's Venus 26* Scorpio 34'. The eclipse's Venus and Mercury conjoin FRBNY's Uranus and Jupiter in Aquarius; and the lunar eclipse's Asc-Desc axis partile squares FRBNY's Neptune 00* Leo 13*.

Oh, one last thing, the February 20, 2008 lunar eclipse's Pluto 00* Capricorn 42' conjoins the Federal Reserve Act's Sol 01* Capricorn 33'; and opposes the Act's Pluto 00* Cancer 05' Rx [Natus: December 23, 1913, 18:02 EST, Washington, D.C.]

As it's been often enough said in the Orient, adversity should continue to make for a very interesting year, and in this case, for the FED's year.

JohnTWB

P.S. - MONEY'S NATURE

Classical monetary orthodoxy defines MONEY as gold, silver and copper coins; paper currency as warehouse receipts for coinage and bullion in storage. A "bank of deposit" is functionally a money warehouse. Checks and debit cards being, in effect, endorsed receipts for money-in-the-bank; similarly, credit cards, for money that MAY BE in the bank. Modern CURRENCY is more than MONEY-proper, being a broader lawful class of objects referred to technically as media of exchange, which long ago even included MONEY-proper. MONEY-proper has since been outlawed for purposes other than coin collecting and investing.

Pursuant to certain executive orders of the Nixon White House, the US Dollar currency has been ever since purely a state-of-mind-money, no longer having any objective-value grounding in the physical dimensions of metallic commodities: US Currency is only what the FED & the White House prescribe it to be, as accordingly manufactured by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. That the Greenback, or the Euro, etc., is commonly called "money" only shows how wide is the gap between the common currency of language usage and the technical standing of these state-of-mind unbacked paper currencies.

A prominent Vienna economist and Austrian Minister of Finance, Eugen Bohm-Bawerk, once said to another Vienna economist, Ludwig Mises, that the quality of a nation's soul is expressed in the quality of its money. Minister Bohm-Bawerk died in August 1914, in the same month and year that MONEY-proper, by the Gold Coin 'Standard', was forever discontinued in the international monetary order. [See the U.S. Currency Act (aka the Gold Stand Act) of March 14, 1900 at 19:37 hrs, D.C. when S.Node & Pluto 14* Gemini 47/44', in 9h. Compare: the events of March 19, 1973, the advent of the global floating exchange rate regime, when Saturn 14* Gemini 41'; and September 11, 2001 debacle in NYC, when Saturn at 14* Gemini 45'.]

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."
--- U.S. President George W. Bush, speaking at a Gridiron Club dinner, Washington, D.C., March 2001

"Honest Abe" was the moniker given to Abraham Lincoln by his early associates and later political enemies, for the same reason that the biggest boy in a class is called "Tiny'.

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AstroAries

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Thanks for the posts but they are a little hard to follow. Maybe its just cause it's almost 2 in the morning and I'm tired, haha.
 
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!4C

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The Saturn/Pluto midpoint deals with bankruptcy and financial loss. On October 6th, Mercury will be squaring this midpoint
That happens roughly twice a year or more.

If you are looking for a financial crisis in the next year you might want to research Deutsche Bank.
 

chris10

Well-known member
Here is a post from a friend who has passed since he made it. I had John's permission to save this for future use.

You might find material helpful to you in looking at the financial future of the U.S.

Post by John Battalana before the financial crash in 2008. He posted as JohnTWB or Blazingstar. His full name was John Thomas Wyder Battalana. John passed from cancer on May 25, 2015 in Jakarta. John's career was in banking. He was a good astrologer and researcher with a personal library of about 8.000 books.

To make sure this part of his post is not missed (it is at the end of the post) I am copying it here. He suspected that something big was about to happen.

"Oh, one last thing, the February 20, 2008 lunar eclipse's Pluto 00* Capricorn 42' conjoins the Federal Reserve Act's Sol 01* Capricorn 33'; and opposes the Act's Pluto 00* Cancer 05' Rx [Natus: December 23, 1913, 18:02 EST, Washington, D.C.]

As it's been often enough said in the Orient, adversity should continue to make for a very interesting year, and in this case, for the FED's year."

*************************************************
MSG 17227: The Dollar, the Greenback, the FED & [corrected , Feb 2008 eclipse…

JohnTWB Jan 20, 2008

Hi List members:

Here's a timeline of significant events regarding the US Dollar, old (coin) and not so old (paper), the FED, and the connexity of said events.

BACKGROUND: Wall Street, NYC, was the Capital of the USA from January 11, 1785 until August 12, 1790 (The day of the Hamiltonian Public Debt Act, which legacy America has carried ever since). During this Wall Street era were initiated the following: the Dollar; the Northwest Ordinance; the Bill of Rights; the Congressional, Excecutive, and Judicial branches, and the designation of the permanent seat of the U.S. Government at Washington, D.C., to be commenced in 1800. All initiated in Federal Hall, Wall Street, way-downtown New York City.

EVENT 1785: THE DOLLAR

The U.S.A. DOLLAR was born on a Cancerous New Moon, July 6, 1785, in the USA Congress of the Confederation, at a time moment in the interval 11:00/12:00 hrs. This the "USA" DOLLAR of the first constitution, which was legally tranformed to be what it remains today, the "US" DOLLAR of the second constitution, as re-enacted on April 2, 1792. [Btw: Just as the Confederation's Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787 was re-enacted by the U.S. Congress on August 7, 1789.]

JULY 6, 1785, WALL STREET, NEW YORK CITY, 11:00 LMT, EST. WHEN VOTED

ASC: 00* Libra 00'
PARS FORTUNA: 01* Libra 42'
NEPTUNE: 11* Libra 52'
MERCURY: 02* Cancer 11'
MARS: 27* Aries 20'
JUPITER: 13* Aries 22'

EVENT 1786: FIRST GOVERNMENT MINT ENACTED

OCTOBER 16, 1786, WALL STREET, NEW YORK CITY, NOONTIME, EST. @ 11:42 LMT

SOL: 23* Libra 29'
MERCURY: 19* Libra 37'
NEPTUNE 16* Libra 46'

OCTOBER 15, 1794: FIRST SILVER DOLLAR COIN MINTED, SOL = 22* Libra 25'

The enabling act for the U.S.A. Mint is dated October 16, 1786, two months after Congress agreed upon the specifications of the physical dimensions of USA coinage: silver, gold, and copper, as enacted on August 8, 1786, after that of July 6, 1785. The first coin produced by the Mint, by way of subcontractor sponsorship, was the copper Fugio One Cent piece. The USA DOLLAR was defined physically as a coin of a specfied quantity and quality of silver metal; and, furthermore, where 100 copper cents equals one dollar and the USA Eagle, a gold coin, is equal in value to 10 dollars. In context, the word 'standard' as in 'standard money' refers to just these physical specifications; the word as originally purposed has nothing to do with government policies or programs, numerous textbooks to the contrary notwithstanding.

EVENT 1861: THE GREENBACKS

In 1861 the Lincoln War Congress birthed the GREENBACK, the advent of the modern U.S. Government's monopoly-issued paper Dollar. (This IS the operative US Dollar radix event: It being immaterial whether said Dollars have been issued directly by the Treasury, or later indirectly, by the Treasury's statutory agent, the FED; all the paper dollar denominations issued since August 10, 1861 remain to this day good-for-trade GREENBACKS). The very first Treasury notes, being the GREENBACKS when signed on first issue, were the Lincoln $10 bill and Hamilton $5 bill. Much later and currently, Lincoln's portrait adorns the $5 bill and Hamilton's the $10 bill. I do not know the occult significance of this portrait switch by the early FED. Obviously, by their way of thinking Alexander Hamilton's legacy is worth twice as much to them as is Abraham Lincoln's. Perhaps this switch reflects what one clever wag has suggested, that Hamilton was the real president behind the U.S. President during the 12 years of the Washington and Adams administrations, 1789-1801.

GREENBACKS BORN, AUGUST 10, 1861, WASHINGTON, D.C., a Saturday morning, between 8:30 and 9:30 hrs. EDITED NOW BY ME TO INSERT LATER TIME ADJUSTMENT BY JOHN OF 8:36 AM, LMT. ANGLES BEING TRANSITED NOW BY THE SATURN/PLUTO MIDPOINT.

EVENT 1914: THE FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM [CENTRAL BANK]

OCTOBER 5, 1914: Benjamin Strong was appointed President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York [FRBNY] during the first board of directors' meeting of record, which was commenced at 11:00 hrs. This event marked the official start of the FRBNY, the primus-inter-pares of the 12 banking districts of the U.S. central banking system. This central banking system ought to be forthrightly characterized, but has never been done in the mainstream, as the FRBNY and its 11 branches, eventhough each of these branches is formally a bank in its own right. The FRBNY's first annual financial report covered the interval October 5, 1914 until December 31, 1915, which is 15 months. Subsequent annual reports have been for the conventional interval of January/December.

THE REAL FED BORN, OCTOBER 5, 1914, WALL STREET, NEW YORK CITY, @ EST. 11:34 EST

SOL: 11* Libra 35' [Partile 1785 Dollar's Neptune & partile 1861 Greenbacks' Luna]
LUNA: 27* Aries 20' [Partile 1785 Dollar's Mars]
VENUS: 26* Scorpio 34' [Square 1861 Greenbacks' Mars]
SATURN: 02* Cancer 15' [Partile 1785 Dollar's Mercury]
PLUTO: 02* Cancer 14' Rx [Partile 1785 Dollar's Mercury]
S. LUNAR NODE: 05* Virgo 25' Rx [Conjunct 1861 Greenbacks' Jupiter & Saturn]
BLACK MOON: 04* Taurus 50' [Conjunct 1861 Greenbacks' Black Moon]

FEBRUARY 2008:

Please note that there'll be a total lunar eclipse on February 20, 2008, exact at 22:31 EST Wall Street . . . [I deliberately leave aside the Chinese New Year's day annular solar eclipse of February 6, 2008 at 23:45 EST, although I do note a partile opposition of the eclipse point 17* Aquarius 44' to the Greenbacks Sol, the conjunction of transit Jupiter 11* Capricorn 12' to the Greenbacks' N. lunar Node]. . . . The lunar eclipse's transit Jupiter 13* Capricorn 59' squares FRBNY's Sol; Transit Saturn 05* Virgo 25' Rx partiles exactly FRBNY's south lunar Node 05* Virgo 25' Rx; Transit lunar Nodes 27*44' AQ/LE square FRBNY's Venus 26* Scorpio 34'. The eclipse's Venus and Mercury conjoin FRBNY's Uranus and Jupiter in Aquarius; and the lunar eclipse's Asc-Desc axis partile squares FRBNY's Neptune 00* Leo 13*.

Oh, one last thing, the February 20, 2008 lunar eclipse's Pluto 00* Capricorn 42' conjoins the Federal Reserve Act's Sol 01* Capricorn 33'; and opposes the Act's Pluto 00* Cancer 05' Rx [Natus: December 23, 1913, 18:02 EST, Washington, D.C.]

As it's been often enough said in the Orient, adversity should continue to make for a very interesting year, and in this case, for the FED's year.

JohnTWB

P.S. - MONEY'S NATURE

Classical monetary orthodoxy defines MONEY as gold, silver and copper coins; paper currency as warehouse receipts for coinage and bullion in storage. A "bank of deposit" is functionally a money warehouse. Checks and debit cards being, in effect, endorsed receipts for money-in-the-bank; similarly, credit cards, for money that MAY BE in the bank. Modern CURRENCY is more than MONEY-proper, being a broader lawful class of objects referred to technically as media of exchange, which long ago even included MONEY-proper. MONEY-proper has since been outlawed for purposes other than coin collecting and investing.

Pursuant to certain executive orders of the Nixon White House, the US Dollar currency has been ever since purely a state-of-mind-money, no longer having any objective-value grounding in the physical dimensions of metallic commodities: US Currency is only what the FED & the White House prescribe it to be, as accordingly manufactured by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. That the Greenback, or the Euro, etc., is commonly called "money" only shows how wide is the gap between the common currency of language usage and the technical standing of these state-of-mind unbacked paper currencies.

A prominent Vienna economist and Austrian Minister of Finance, Eugen Bohm-Bawerk, once said to another Vienna economist, Ludwig Mises, that the quality of a nation's soul is expressed in the quality of its money. Minister Bohm-Bawerk died in August 1914, in the same month and year that MONEY-proper, by the Gold Coin 'Standard', was forever discontinued in the international monetary order. [See the U.S. Currency Act (aka the Gold Stand Act) of March 14, 1900 at 19:37 hrs, D.C. when S.Node & Pluto 14* Gemini 47/44', in 9h. Compare: the events of March 19, 1973, the advent of the global floating exchange rate regime, when Saturn 14* Gemini 41'; and September 11, 2001 debacle in NYC, when Saturn at 14* Gemini 45'.]

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."
--- U.S. President George W. Bush, speaking at a Gridiron Club dinner, Washington, D.C., March 2001

"Honest Abe" was the moniker given to Abraham Lincoln by his early associates and later political enemies, for the same reason that the biggest boy in a class is called "Tiny'.

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Thank you UA :smile:
 

rahu

Banned
Thank you UA :smile:

I'm afraid it doesn't take any astrological premonitions to see a massive economic collapse. The Federal Reserve Bank has printed trillions of dollars of fiat reserve notes. These bills have absolutely no backing and value. Through history the printing of fiat currency has always led to a collapse. The banks and corporations have gone psychotic in their greed
rahu
 

chris10

Well-known member
I'm afraid it doesn't take any astrological premonitions to see a massive economic collapse.
How right you are rahu :sideways:
However, UA's insight is helpful from an astrological point of view.


The Federal Reserve Bank has printed trillions of dollars of fiat reserve notes. These bills have absolutely no backing and value. Through history the printing of fiat currency has always led to a collapse. The banks and corporations have gone psychotic in their greed
rahu
Greed has always been Man's downfall throughout History.
 

unique_astrology

Well-known member
Thanks Chris,

Yes, anyone can say there is going to be a financial crash or downturn but a study of the various charts for financial entities provide opportunities of saying when one is likely to happen.

Without the charts - Tomorrow? A week from tomorrow? December 25th? April1st?
 

!4C

Well-known member
I'm afraid it doesn't take any astrological premonitions to see a massive economic collapse. The Federal Reserve Bank has printed trillions of dollars of fiat reserve notes. These bills have absolutely no backing and value. Through history the printing of fiat currency has always led to a collapse. The banks and corporations have gone psychotic in their greed
rahu
Japan is the model we will be following (down the rabbit hole). The Fed has been trying to condition the markets for this future insanity.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/29/yell...corporate-bonds-could-help-in-a-downturn.html
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/11/news/economy/negative-interest-rates-janet-yellen/
 

unique_astrology

Well-known member
I have been on the phone for almost a week trying to set up an appointment with the VA. Passed off, shuttled around, ending up with recorded msgs. The system is a mess.

Was adamantly told I had to travel from where I live to a hospital about 60 miles to away just to set up an appointment - not to keep one. Took a day just to get that straightened out.

On with the show.

I found a chart in my files from long ago showing an attack on the U.S. dollar on Oct 19th.

It is located to New York City (home of Wall Street) showing transit Saturn square the dollar Saturn, transit Neptune opposite it and the Mars/Saturn and Saturn/Pluto midpoints on the dollar chart's IC.

http://imgur.com/dHHFcF8

Play the theme from Jaws.
 
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