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Ruler of a chart

Hi; i would like to ask what is the ruler of a chart? How is it calculated? Are singletons relates to charts' rulers?
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Hi; i would like to ask what is the ruler of a chart?

How is it calculated?
Are singletons relates to charts' rulers?
Thanks in advance; greetings.

There are multiple methods of calculation
for example

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Almutem Figuris is an old doctrine

where one planet according to certain calculations applied
receives the honors to be the Ruler or Lord of the Chart.

The word Almutes is an Arabian word which means 'Winner'.
Because, the planet is the Winner of all the 'life giving' places.

Or the places which are most important in the natal figure.

Zoller about the Almutem Figuris says that it
is equally as powerful as all the other planets taken together.

Benjamin Dykes (great student of Zoller) says about Almutem Figuris:
"...Almutem Figuris, a powerful planet in the natal figure whose spirit or angel acts as the native's special link to the Divine. The Almutem Figuris is a spiritual astrological delineation, similar to but not the same as Lilly's the "Lord of the Geniture." But like Lilly (and Plato), the Almutem Figuris was taken to affect the native's thoughts, beliefs and character. Spiritual enlightenment can demand that we open our eyes to this particular planet and use it to access the Divine. Significantly, this is a function that many modern astrologers now attribute to the sun sign...." (In his article on Happiness).

The method of calculation

1. Find the Essential Dignities (the 5 dignities, apply 3 points to all 3 triplicity rulers), in the Degree of the:
- Sun
- Moon
- Ascendant
- Part of Fortune
- Syzygy (the prenatal lunation, the one that came last, i.e. after which the birth follows - New or Full Moon).

2. Add 7 points for the Day ruler and 6 points to the Hour ruler.

3. Add accidental dignities scores.

For the planet in 1st house you add 12 points.
10th house = 11 points
7th house = 10
4th house = 9
11th = 8
5th = 7
2nd = 6
9th = 5
8th = 4
3rd = 3
12th = 2
6th = 1

The planet which has most points in the aforesaid places is the Almutem Figuris of the chart!

Don't forget to apply the 5 degrees ruler for the planet near the cusp of the houses. For example, if Saturn is at 15 Scorpio in 4th, but the 5th house cusp is at 19 Scorpio, you will calculate that Saturn already in the 5th, and you will give him 7 points instead of 9 as he would took if he was in 4th house. This can make big difference.


Zoller gives short discriptions for every planet being Almutem Figuris:

Sun:
"If the Almuten figuris is the Sun, the native will want to lead, express his creative power and be recognized."

Moon:
"If the Moon, s/he will want to care for, be cared for, eat and make love, dream"

Mercury:
"If it is Mercury, s/he will be diligent in the sciences, business and communications"

Venus:
"Id it is Venus s/he will be a lover of beauty, of music, of men and women etc."

Mars:
"If it is Mars, s/he will fight in order to dominate"

Jupiter:
"If it is Jupiter, s/he will philosophize and teach"

Saturn:
"If it is Saturn he will retire from society, investigate hidden things and suffer adversity.""

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The good thing about modern astrology is that it's simple and to the point. It perfected and refined old, cumbersome, and nonsensical techniques from traditional astrology (like demonstrated in the post above mine) and made it direct, accurate, and quick to calculate. In modern astrology the ruler of the chart is the ruler of the 1st house, which can be Neptune, Pluto, Uranus, or even Eris and Sedna. I hope I helped you
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There are multiple methods of calculation

A lecture on the ancient method of identifying the overall ruler of a birth chart
called the Master of the Nativity.

While in modern times

astrologers tend to refer to the ruler of the Ascendant
as the ruler of the chart

in ancient Greek and Roman astrology the method for
determining the ruler of the chart was much more complex.

There are references to the master of the nativity

in many of the surviving astrological texts from the Hellenistic astrology tradition
although there are not many surviving discussions
about how to calculate it.

The approach we present in this lecture
is derived from chapter 30 of Porphyry's Introduction to the Tetrabiblos
which is itself derived from a lost work of definitions by Antiochus of Athens

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Thanks both! I guess that using alternative methods would be of interest just as far as they would lead to different rulers (each ruler highlighting some issues, etc.), naturally.

Im going to try to make use of the method above (though it seems a complicated one at first sight).

Regarding the POV accounting for the chart ruler as the ruler of the ascendant, i wonder if it could be an "enhanced" fact the fact that im pisces sun, and sag rising (?)(i mean, if t.that would reinforce the jupiterian rule).

Assuming Jupiter to.be the ruler (which.at this.point i cannot.be thus sure of), one issue.would.be Jupiter sq Mars...i guess.

To put it differently: what are the tense aspects affecting a given chart ruler supposed to be like (i mean, are they supposed to.be more prominent than others, so to speak)?

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The good thing about modern astrology is that it's simple and to the point. It perfected and refined old, cumbersome, and nonsensical techniques from traditional astrology (like demonstrated in the post above mine) and made it direct, accurate, and quick to calculate. In modern astrology the ruler of the chart is the ruler of the 1st house, which can be Neptune, Pluto, Uranus, or even Eris and Sedna. I hope I helped you
I respect and use modern astrology and traditional astrology.
Your explanation is simple, yes.
Correct, no.
Even modern astrology does not say that the ruler of the ascendant is the ruler of the chart. I had a modern book that explained how it was determined. I don't remember what it said anymore, but I do recall that is said that the ruler of the ascendant is the ruler of the ascendant. And the ruler of the ascendant may coincide with but is not necessarily the ruler of the chart.

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According to the method above is it needed regarding the 1st point to attach 3 points to to the ruler of each decan within the luminaries?

For instance; im Pisces 22 degrees (3rd decan, Ruled by Mars); so i would attach.3 points to Mars.
Im.Sag 16 degrees (2nd decan, ruled by Moon and Mars); so i would attach 3 points to.both Mars and the Moon.
Im Sag rising 23 degrees (3rd decan, ruled by Saturn and the Sun); so i would atrach 3 points to.both Saturn and the Sun...
Part pf fortune at Virgo 20 (3rd decan) would attach 3 points to Merxury and Venus.

Is this right?

What is the Day ruler and the Hour ruler, by the way?

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According to the method above is it needed regarding the 1st point to attach 3 points to to the ruler of each decan within the luminaries?

For instance; im Pisces 22 degrees (3rd decan, Ruled by Mars); so i would attach.3 points to Mars.
Im.Sag 16 degrees (2nd decan, ruled by Moon and Mars); so i would attach 3 points to.both Mars and the Moon.
Im Sag rising 23 degrees (3rd decan, ruled by Saturn and the Sun); so i would atrach 3 points to.both Saturn and the Sun...
Part pf fortune at Virgo 20 (3rd decan) would attach 3 points to Merxury and Venus.

Is this right?

What is the Day ruler and the Hour ruler, by the way?

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There are multiple methods of calculation
for example
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Wow interesting post, but its sort of confused me which is not hard at the moment lol.

I don't wish to hijack this post just to clarify. I have most of my planets in a sign they rule, but the houses of detriment. I note you give points for dignified placements, but do you take points off for detriment places? I always thought Mercury was my ruler, Sun/Asc Virgo Gemm MC but now I am not so sure. X
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Wow interesting post, but its sort of confused me which is not hard at the moment lol.

I don't wish to hijack this post just to clarify. I have most of my planets in a sign they rule, but the houses of detriment. I note you give points for dignified placements, but do you take points off for detriment places? I always thought Mercury was my ruler, Sun/Asc Virgo Gemm MC but now I am not so sure. X

the following is the method of calculation

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The method of calculation

1. Find the Essential Dignities (the 5 dignities, apply 3 points to all 3 triplicity rulers), in the Degree of the:
- Sun
- Moon
- Ascendant
- Part of Fortune
- Syzygy (the prenatal lunation, the one that came last, i.e. after which the birth follows - New or Full Moon).

2. Add 7 points for the Day ruler and 6 points to the Hour ruler.

3. Add accidental dignities scores.

For the planet in 1st house you add 12 points.
10th house = 11 points
7th house = 10
4th house = 9
11th = 8
5th = 7
2nd = 6
9th = 5
8th = 4
3rd = 3
12th = 2
6th = 1

The planet which has most points in the aforesaid places is the Almutem Figuris of the chart!

Don't forget to apply the 5 degrees ruler for the planet near the cusp of the houses. For example, if Saturn is at 15 Scorpio in 4th, but the 5th house cusp is at 19 Scorpio, you will calculate that Saturn already in the 5th, and you will give him 7 points instead of 9 as he would took if he was in 4th house. This can make big difference.

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I know about three methods. Probably there are more.

1. Modern astrology: the planet ruling the sign on your ascendant. Note that Aquarius, Pisces, and Scorpio have both a traditional and modern ruler. Modern astrology would probably use Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, respectively. But the traditional rulers are Saturn, Jupiter, and Mars, respectively.

2. Traditional astrology 1: Look at a table of essential dignities, like this one: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/essential_dignities.html See which planet has the most placements in the columns of domiciles (here called "houses of the planets," by which Ptolemy meant "signs.") Also exaltations, triplicities, terms, and faces, if any. These dignities are listed in order of importance, left to right. The planet with the most essential dignities is called the almuten.

3. Traditional astrology 2. The lord of the geniture is the almuten plus any "accidental" dignities, such as its placement in a beneficial house, like the first and the 10th (a condition called being "angular.")

You can look up these two on the Skyscript website for further details.
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My chart has the Sun in 9th hour and Moon in the 10th hour or the 2nd half of the 8th house. It explains my own very Lunarian (10th) and quite Mercurian (9th) personality (2:20pm or 14:20 hours Pacific Standard Time on Fri. Feb 15, 1980). My sun placement is in 26' Aquarius conjunct moon in 20', the range of my 8' Aquarius to 20' Aquarius is 10th, while 21' Aquarius to 3' Pisces is 9th.
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Hi; i would like to ask what is the ruler of a chart?

How is it calculated?

Are singletons relates to charts' rulers?
Thanks in advance; greetings.

Ruler of the Geniture

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As for which planet rules the chart:
it is the planet which has the most essential and accidental dignity,
the planet that has the most innate strength
coupled with
the most innate power to enact that strength
such a planet is a front runner of our astrological make-up.

The ruler of the Ascendant is the Ruler of the Ascendant

and not the ruler of the chart
just as the ruler of the MC is the ruler of the tenth house
and not of the entire chart.

If there is a planet that presides over the entire chart

the entire life in all it's aspects
then such must be the planet with the greatest essential and accidental dignity
- because it makes so much sense.


The Lord of the Geniture/Birth

is the planet that shows the highest possible expression of ourselves
it is our guardian spirit whom we should endeavour to act in principle of
in any situation in order to manifest our destiny.

This is a planet designated based upon it's strength of dignity
outweighing all others in the chart.
It is our destiny, the strength of our horoscopes
and the stalwart of our lives.

The ruler of the chart, indeed, the Lord of the Geniture

is the planet which has the greatest dignity in our charts
and through which we may manifest our destiny.
This is because such a planet always represents the greatest strength

and the highest possible
given that horoscope
bringing to fruit our most optimum potentials.
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There are multiple methods of calculation



for example
How to Calculate the Rulers of the Birth Chart According to Porphyry
based on chapter 30 of Porphyry’s Introduction.
The Rulers of the Nativity


There are four different rulers of the nativity that are important to pay attention to:

1. Predominator aka epikratētōr


2. Master of the Nativity aka oikodespotēs


3. Co-Master or Joint Master of the Nativity aka sunoikodespotēs


4. Lord of the Nativity aka kurios


PREDOMINATOR
In order to find the Master of the Nativity
you must first find the Predominator
since the Predominator is the one who designates the Master.
The Predominator is typically one of the luminaries
as long as they are well-placed.
If they are not, then it defaults to the Ascendant.

Here are Porphyry’s considerations
for determining
if one of the luminaries can become Predominator

The luminary that belongs to the sect of the chart is preferred
SUN by day MOON by night.

The luminary that is more angular is preferred
over one that is in a less angular house.


The one that is more eastern in the chart
i.e. towards the rising sign
is preferred.


if SUN is 1st house in day chart THEN Sun is Predominator.


if Sun in 9th with Moon in the 1st THEN Moon is Predominator.


If both luminaries are in cadent houses
then Ascendant becomes Predominator.



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Re: Ruler of a chart

Thank you for this, JA.
I wonder if you might point us to its source?


As for which planet rules the chart:
it is the planet which has the most essential and accidental dignity,
the planet that has the most innate strength
coupled with
the most innate power to enact that strength
such a planet is a front runner of our astrological make-up.

The ruler of the Ascendant is the Ruler of the Ascendant

and not the ruler of the chart
just as the ruler of the MC is the ruler of the tenth house
and not of the entire chart.

If there is a planet that presides over the entire chart

the entire life in all it's aspects
then such must be the planet with the greatest essential and accidental dignity
- because it makes so much sense.


The Lord of the Geniture/Birth

is the planet that shows the highest possible expression of ourselves
it is our guardian spirit whom we should endeavour to act in principle of
in any situation in order to manifest our destiny.

This is a planet designated based upon it's strength of dignity
outweighing all others in the chart.
It is our destiny, the strength of our horoscopes
and the stalwart of our lives.

The ruler of the chart, indeed, the Lord of the Geniture

is the planet which has the greatest dignity in our charts
and through which we may manifest our destiny.
This is because such a planet always represents the greatest strength

and the highest possible
given that horoscope
bringing to fruit our most optimum potentials.
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Thank you for this, JA.
I wonder if you might point us to its source?


As for which planet rules the chart:
it is the planet which has the most essential and accidental dignity,
the planet that has the most innate strength
coupled with
the most innate power to enact that strength
such a planet is a front runner of our astrological make-up.

The ruler of the Ascendant is the Ruler of the Ascendant

and not the ruler of the chart
just as the ruler of the MC is the ruler of the tenth house
and not of the entire chart.

If there is a planet that presides over the entire chart

the entire life in all it's aspects
then such must be the planet with the greatest essential and accidental dignity
- because it makes so much sense.


The Lord of the Geniture/Birth

is the planet that shows the highest possible expression of ourselves
it is our guardian spirit whom we should endeavour to act in principle of
in any situation in order to manifest our destiny.

This is a planet designated based upon it's strength of dignity
outweighing all others in the chart.
It is our destiny, the strength of our horoscopes
and the stalwart of our lives.

The ruler of the chart, indeed, the Lord of the Geniture

is the planet which has the greatest dignity in our charts
and through which we may manifest our destiny.
This is because such a planet always represents the greatest strength

and the highest possible
given that horoscope
bringing to fruit our most optimum potentials.
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The method of calculation

1. Find the Essential Dignities (the 5 dignities, apply 3 points to all 3 triplicity rulers), in the Degree of the:
- Sun
- Moon
- Ascendant
- Part of Fortune
- Syzygy (the prenatal lunation, the one that came last, i.e. after which the birth follows - New or Full Moon).

2. Add 7 points for the Day ruler and 6 points to the Hour ruler.

3. Add accidental dignities scores.

For the planet in 1st house you add 12 points.
10th house = 11 points
7th house = 10
4th house = 9
11th = 8
5th = 7
2nd = 6
9th = 5
8th = 4
3rd = 3
12th = 2
6th = 1

The planet which has most points in the aforesaid places is the Almutem Figuris of the chart!

Don't forget to apply the 5 degrees ruler for the planet near the cusp of the houses. For example, if Saturn is at 15 Scorpio in 4th, but the 5th house cusp is at 19 Scorpio, you will calculate that Saturn already in the 5th, and you will give him 7 points instead of 9 as he would took if he was in 4th house. This can make big difference.

It's a summary of much that has already been posted




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Thank you for this, JA.
I wonder if you might point us to its source?
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How to Calculate the Rulers of the Birth Chart According to Porphyry
based on chapter 30 of Porphyry’s Introduction.
The Rulers of the Nativity

There are four different rulers of the nativity that are important to pay attention to:

1. Predominator aka epikratētōr

2. Master of the Nativity aka oikodespotēs

3. Co-Master or Joint Master of the Nativity aka sunoikodespotēs

4. Lord of the Nativity aka kurios


PREDOMINATOR
In order to find the Master of the Nativity
you must first find the Predominator
since the Predominator is the one who designates the Master.
The Predominator is typically one of the luminaries
as long as they are well-placed.
If they are not, then it defaults to the Ascendant.

Here are Porphyry’s considerations
for determining
if one of the luminaries can become Predominator

The luminary that belongs to the sect of the chart is preferred
SUN by day MOON by night.

The luminary that is more angular is preferred
over one that is in a less angular house.


The one that is more eastern in the chart
i.e. towards the rising sign
is preferred.

if SUN is 1st house in day chart THEN Sun is Predominator.

if Sun in 9th with Moon in the 1st THEN Moon is Predominator.

If both luminaries are in cadent houses
then Ascendant becomes Predominator.

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Having determined the PREDOMINATOR

THEN
find the Master of the Nativity


According to ANTIOCHUS and PORPHYRY
there are two variant traditions for calculating the Master:

1. The Master of the Nativity is the domicile lord of the Predominator.
The bound lord of the Predominator
becomes the Co-Master of the Nativity.

2. Others say that the bound lord of the degree of the Ascendant
is the Master of the Nativity
The domicile lord of the rising sign
is the Co-Master of the Nativity.

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Re: Ruler of a chart

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Having determined the PREDOMINATOR

THEN
find the Master of the Nativity

According to ANTIOCHUS and PORPHYRY
there are two variant traditions for calculating the Master:

1. The Master of the Nativity is the domicile lord of the Predominator.
The bound lord of the Predominator
becomes the Co-Master of the Nativity.

2. Others say that the bound lord of the degree of the Ascendant
is the Master of the Nativity
The domicile lord of the rising sign
is the Co-Master of the Nativity.

more info at https://bendykes.com/

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Two separate approaches are given for the determination of the Lord of the Nativity


First Approach
The Lord is the domicile lord of the Midheaven, if this planet is angular.

If it is not, then:
The Lord is a planet in the Midheaven/10th house.


If there is no planet in the Midheaven then:
The Lord is a planet in the 11th house.



Second Approach
Planets capable of being the Lord of the Nativity
in the second approach are:

1. The domicile lord of the Ascendant.
Or
2. A planet in the rising sign, and especially?
in the bounds of the Ascendant.
Or
3. The lord of the Moon.
Or
4. The lord of the Lot of Fortune.
Or
5. A planet that makes a heliacal rising, setting, or retrograde station
within 7 days of the birth
if there are multiple then the one that is not under the beams is preferred.
6. The bound lord of the prenatal lunation.


PORPHYRY makes an important statement after outlining the second approach
to the effect

that the Lord of the Nativity is the planet
that generally is:

Capable of rising out from under the beams of the Sun.

Has more familiarity (“dignity”) in its location, through zodiacal rulership.

Has the most “...power...” in relation to the “...figure....” of the nativity
which probably means being in one of the “...advantageous...”
or “...busy...” places, which are houses that are more angular.

Has the most power in relation to its configuration with the other stars in the chart.
Porphyry the Philosopher
Introduction to the Tetrabiblos

chapter 30, trans. James Holden
American Federation of Astrologers, Tempe, AZ, 2010



more info at https://bendykes.com/




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