Re: The Possibility of Tropical Ages

david starling

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Re: The Possibility of Tropical Ages

Are you saying that the average temperature in August is the same as in January? :unsure:

On the Central Coast, it's possible to have a high or low temperature from one day to the next, even a heat-wave in November. Warm temps all year in L.A. and San Diego. Etc. However, as it pertains to tropical astrology, which isn't weather-based, it really doesn't matter.
 

petosiris

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Re: The Possibility of Tropical Ages

On the Central Coast, it's possible to have a high or low temperature from one day to the next, even a heat-wave in November. Warm temps all year in L.A. and San Diego. Etc. However, as it pertains to tropical astrology, which isn't weather-based, it really doesn't matter.

So the houses and exaltations are just randomly assigned :unsure:
 

petosiris

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Re: The Possibility of Tropical Ages

I agree that astrology isn't weather based. However, weather is astrologically based. Therefore, the astrology has to be able to explain both genethlialogy and meteorology.
 

petosiris

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Re: The Possibility of Tropical Ages

I agree that astrology isn't weather based. However, weather is astrologically based. Therefore, the astrology has to be able to explain both genethlialogy and meteorology.

Since this is so, and since the Sun dominates the place (Leo) following the summer solstice place (Cancer) for regions after 23N, it so happens that it to dominate the opposite place for regions after 23S, since it so happens that the Sun has great amount of heat at that time of the year for the Southern Hemisphere, with that particular declination. The places inbetween get an admixture of influences by declination, proportionally.
 
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petosiris

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Geography explains weather, not astrology.

Well, I am sure that a main characteristic of all climate designations is latitude (geodetics/but used to be part of astrology), since you can't have a Mediterranean climate at the Poles you know. It is true that a main reason for diversity of climates for one latitude is sublunar phenomena like trade winds, oceans, land, height etc., but that doesn't mean that astronomy does not affect weather...
 
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petosiris

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Re: The Possibility of Tropical Ages

The Tropical zodiac begins based on a well-defined astronomical concept and calculation. The Sidereal zodiac begins with legend or guesswork or fairy correspondence.

If we are to be honest with ourselves, any zodiac is a fairy correspondence exactly at the Equator since there is no particular demarcator, neither latitude, nor daylight, nor temperature, nor rising times, nor anything else material. The fixed stars have greater influence than declination for that region.

Likewise, for the Southern Hemisphere, there is no good reason for not reversing rulership, since all rulership is based on latitude in the first place.
 

david starling

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Re: The Possibility of Tropical Ages

Since this is so, and since the Sun dominates the place (Leo) following the summer solstice place (Cancer) for regions after 23N, it so happens that it to dominate the opposite place for regions after 23S, since it so happens that the it has great amount of heat at that time of the year for the Southern Hemisphere, with that particular declination. The places inbetween get an admixture of influences by declination, proportionally.

In 12/12, I'm using a Heliocentric cipher in place of climate to determine the Domicle-rulers of the 4 Cardinal-signs and Fixed-Fire. Before I knew about Ptolemy's explanation for rulerships, I correlated the ancient knowledge of the Heliocentric model (Aristarchus of Samos, around 250 B.C.E., and down through the Alexandrians) to the rulerships of indeterminate origins, prior to Ptolemy, with Heliocentrism. What "jumped out" immediately was, the Heliocentrically stationary (fixed in place, and fiery) Sun, ruling the Fixed-Fire sign.
The orbits of the Equinoctial rulers are equivalent and opposite relative to Earth's, as the "reference orbit" (adjacent+inside and outside), and the Solstial-rulers are nearest and farthest. I used the standard sequence of Modalities and Elements, beginning with the Sun ruling Fixed-Fire, to determine the Elemental assignments for the Cardinal-sign rulers. This worked out nicely, since that made Mars, with its reddish color, a Fire-sign ruler, and Venus with its brightness due to atmosphere, the Equinoctial Air-sign ruler.
The sequence of Modalities and Elements was more necessary for the Solsticial-sign rulers, for two reasons: Capricorn is directly linked to water, as the Goatfish; and, I read that Chronus/Saturn was a Sea-god prior to being replaced by Poseidon/Neptune; This made it impossible to distinguish Saturn's Elemental rulership from that of the Moon, which the Ancient Greeks knew ruled the tides. Also, "nearest" and "farthest" pertains to the Tropics, and which Tropic is nearest depends on in which Hemisphere one is situated, which is too relativistic. By beginning with the Sun ruling Leo as Fixed-Fire, the Cardinal-sign, Elemental rulerships were sorted out, with Cardinal-Earth Capricorn was assigned to Saturn by sequence.
 

david starling

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Re: The Possibility of Tropical Ages

If we are to be honest with ourselves, any zodiac is a fairy correspondence exactly at the Equator since there is no particular demarcator, neither latitude, nor daylight, nor temperature, nor rising times, nor anything else material. The fixed stars have greater influence than declination for that region.

Likewise, for the Southern Hemisphere, there is no good reason for not reversing rulership, since all rulership is based on latitude in the first place.

The Heliocentric cipher determines Solsticial and Equinoctial rulerships regardless of Hemisphere or Equator, when it's combined with the sequence of Modalities and Elements, beginning with the fiery, stationary Sun ruling the Fixed-Fire sign. :cool:
 
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david starling

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Re: The Possibility of Tropical Ages

There are many Solar systems :smile:
Sun is not stationary and carries celestial bodies orbiting it along with it

The Sun is stationary within the context of the Solar-system of which the Earth is a member. The purpose of the cipher is to ascertain rulerships within the Earth-centered, zodiacal system. Also, "Solar" is from the Roman name of the Sun, "Sol". It's not about the distant stars.
 

david starling

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Re: The Possibility of Tropical Ages

The Earth's Age-indicator is included as the Domicle-ruler of the Earth-sign Taurus. The Ascendant is included, along with the other two points of the Horoscopic Triangle, as Domicle-rulers of Sagittarius. Jupiter is Regulating-ruler of Mutable-Fire.
 

wilsontc

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geocentric and heliocentric, to All

All,

There is one system of astrology that uses the earth as a center and is called "geocentric". There is another system of astrology that uses the sun as a center and is called "heliocentric". Please stop arguing about the existence of both of these systems, as they both exist. If you want to comment on the use of either system, feel free to do so. Also, do NOT make comments that simply attack the astrological comments of others. And remember this is a MODERN ASTROLOGY forum, so topics like heliocentric astrology are on subject.

Back on topic,

Tim
 
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