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Did my neighbor kill her baby

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Re: Did my neighbor kill her baby

Here is the best i can interpret since i dont study horary. Im the querant so im ruled by mercury. Mercury is in the 7th because its a question about someone else. My neighbor would be represented by mars 3rd house trad ruler in 5th house of children. Saturn rules 5th, and there is a conjunction of mars and saturn. So is that a yes? Or does it just indicate her children? And more is to be read in chart.
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You are the querent, your neighbour is the 3rd, mars. Her children are the radical 7th (5th from the 3rd).
The 7th is a double sign, pisces, showing twins, plus mercury, another child.
The 8th from the 7th is the radical 2nd, their house of death. This is where moon, your question, lies. Moon opposes sun, ruler of the head.
Mars lies in the radical 5th, square Uranus of explosive violence.
The 5th is also your neighbour's 3rd, showing mental disturbances.
The moon is in her 12th, supporting the psychological problems she has.
Her partner would be Venus, who doesn't seem to be connected to the event, she acted alone, in a moment of emotional explosion.
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Re: Did my neighbor kill her baby

Neighbor = mars
Neighbors baby = Jupiter/Mercury.

The part of violence and murder is @12'17" Aries, ruler mars which is square Uranus.

We know the baby is mercury as by contra-antiscia the baby is conjunct Chiron (wound) in Aries (to the head) ruled by Mars (violence) which is in a square with Uranus.

So as you specifically asked about her, then id say yes she did.
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Thank you for the interpretations, both were insightful.

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I think both (she and her boyfriend) were involved. Jupiter is in Saturn's rulership, in conjunction with Pluto.
Seems I've got a different part of violence and murder (Asc+Moon-Ruler Asc). This lot is in Cancer. And there are two parts of death. The first one is in Cancer, too. The other one at 3 Degree in Libra. Part of death and part of violence in her 8th house could mean, that it was an accident. The Dispositors are here Venus and Moon (in Libra). Moon last aspects were to Venus an Mars. Both of them were in aspect to Saturn and Jupiter. If he wasn't the murderer, I think he is a witness.
If we use the child as Asc, one part of death is at 19 Degree in Pisces -in the 12th house of the child is an indication of a violent death. The other lot is in Aquarius in conjunction with Saturn. So both Mars and Venus were in aspect with Saturn. Mars did hit the lot. Seems she is the murderer but he was in some kind involved.

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I think both (she and her boyfriend) were involved. Jupiter is in Saturn's rulership, in conjunction with Pluto.
Seems I've got a different part of violence and murder (Asc+Moon-Ruler Asc). This lot is in Cancer. And there are two parts of death. The first one is in Cancer, too. The other one at 3 Degree in Libra. Part of death and part of violence in her 8th house could mean, that it was an accident. The Dispositors are here Venus and Moon (in Libra). Moon last aspects were to Venus an Mars. Both of them were in aspect to Saturn and Jupiter. If he wasn't the murder, I think he is a witness.
If we use the child as Asc, one part of death is at 19 Degree in Pisces -12th house of the child is an indication of a violent death. The other lot is in Aquarius in conjunction with Saturn. So both Mars and Venus were in aspect with Saturn. Venus did hit the lot. Seems she is the murderer but he was in some kind involved.

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Neighbor = mars
Neighbors baby = Jupiter/Mercury.

The part of violence and murder is @12'17" Aries, ruler mars which is square Uranus.

We know the baby is mercury as by contra-antiscia the baby is conjunct Chiron (wound) in Aries (to the head) ruled by Mars (violence) which is in a square with Uranus.

So as you specifically asked about her, then id say yes she did.

how do you EVEN COME UP WITH THIS? CONVICT AT ALL COSTS?!
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Neightbor is 3rd - mars --- last aspect was a trine to venus (which fortifies her) - she didnt do it
her child is JUPITER speculative and most likely the moon
last aspect of jup was from merc .... -- resident of 7th if not a suspect
but moon opp to sun is suspecious. which validates her statement.
her child is a newborn - MOON
Moon is in house of quested's 12th house plus it is via combusta
sun hates the moon (he hate the child) - child hates that a**hole.

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Re: Did my neighbor kill her baby

"Neightbor is 3rd - mars --- last aspect was a trine to venus (which fortifies her) - she didnt do it"

Tikana, the Venus trine mars aspect in the chart is not yet completed, it is in the future.
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"Neightbor is 3rd - mars --- last aspect was a trine to venus (which fortifies her) - she didnt do it"

Tikana, the Venus trine mars aspect in the chart is not yet completed, it is in the future.
wrong.. LOOK again
they COLed with Saturn at 0 deg in aqua
they will be chasing each other hence they will never perfect again for quite sometime.. venus turns retro later on
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Re: Did my neighbor kill her baby

Venus at 3 gemini approaches a trine with mars at 5 Aquarius.
Where am I going wrong on this? I don't understand.
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the last Venus/mars aspect was a square in January. Before both can perfect the trine, Venus will turn retrograde. Next aspect is again a square in June.
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I'm completely lost. The ephemeris shows the Venus/mars trine completing about Apr 15th. What am I missing here?
Venus turns retrograde May 13th.
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Mercury and Jupiter sextile is applying. Not perfected yet.
Moon is in Venus' domicile and in the detriment of Mars (Moon hates mars) and in fall of Sun.
Moon shows also the events. Moon was in aspect with Venus, Mars and Saturn (natural significator of death) and in opposition with chiron in the 7th (child house).
Moon approaches an opposition with the Sun (situation is at the worse now).
Sun is the 10th house ruler of the neighbor, Moon is her 9th house ruler. The 10th represents all kind of authorities- law, courts, judges. Sun "loves" Mars and hates Venus and Saturn. So if it will end in a court case, the jugde could decide for her. Or maybe it shows how the public see that case.
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I'm completely lost. The ephemeris shows the Venus/mars trine completing about Apr 15th. What am I missing here?
Venus turns retrograde May 13th.
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No. Venus is currently a bit too slow and can't catch up with Mars. This trine is neither applying nor separative.
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Re: Did my neighbor kill her baby

Mars, the neighbour's significator, just separated from the Uranus square, and the Saturn conjunction, both of which rule her 4th of home, showing the tensions there, and violence.
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No. Venus is currently a bit too slow and can't catch up with Mars. This trine is neither applying nor separative.
This is what I don't understand. Looking at the ephemeris, Venus reaches mars around April 17/18, and completes the trine.
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This is what I don't understand. Looking at the ephemeris, Venus reaches mars around April 17/18, and completes the trine.
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how do you EVEN COME UP WITH THIS? CONVICT AT ALL COSTS?!
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Neightbor is 3rd - mars --- last aspect was a trine to venus (which fortifies her) - she didnt do it
her child is JUPITER speculative and most likely the moon
last aspect of jup was from merc .... -- resident of 7th if not a suspect
but moon opp to sun is suspecious. which validates her statement.
her child is a newborn - MOON
Moon is in house of quested's 12th house plus it is via combusta
sun hates the moon (he hate the child) - child hates that a**hole.

case closed
Incase you've not noticed Tikana, were all individuals who all read charts in different ways, we don't all read charts the same as you. We've all come to our own conclusions using our own techniques and our own ways of viewing the chart.

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Swiss astrodienst ephemeris, I find the most accurate.
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Swiss astrodienst ephemeris, I find the most accurate.
As you see, Venus never overtakes Mars' degrees.
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Interesting take on chart.

There was another woman in the apt also, i think her girlfriend. I wonder if she was involved now also. She said boyfriend did it but I am not sure if he was even in apt at the time. I don't know the details of when he arrived or was there. But I do know, it was her, her girlfriend, her twins, and her son who is a child who were definitely all home. She had been "partying" all night. Said that she couldn't deal with the noise of her babies crying. Later said it was boyfriend who couldn't deal with the noise so killed one and tried to kill other. I wouldn't say it was an accident since you can't beat something accidently, even it was in a short burst of emotion. Its still what it is, even if the intent wasn't to kill. Maybe her son was the witness that you are speaking of also? since that is likely also.
For me Jupiter is the significator of the dead child. Mercury represents the other children. If we take the turned 11th for her (girl-)friend, the ruler is also mercury. Mercury and Jupiter are in sextile aspect (but it's still not perfect).
However Mercury is in Jupiter's domicile. So mercury could be a witness, too. But I'm not sure. I am seeing Venus more involved in this case. Part of murder in cancer is at 26 Degree. The Antiscia of this lot is in conjunction with Venus.

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Incase you've not noticed Tikana, were all individuals who all read charts in different ways, we don't all read charts the same as you. We've all come to our own conclusions using our own techniques and our own ways of viewing the chart.

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accusing a person of a murder she didnt commit is your own way of interpreting a chart? you just threw in almost irrelevant placement/aspect to justify she did it... really?
you blew through lunar aspect which just perfected (any horary astrologer looks at the lunar aspect within the orb and see what lead to the situation/question).
You threw out Mars that changed signs from being exalted into peregrine - what doess that tell you? She was extactic when she gave birth to a baby.that newborn was taken from her(peregrine state) and Mars hates sun. A. you have moon hates sun then you have Mars hating sun.. guess what? Sun did it.
All 3 kids are in bad shape
Moon - via combusta
Jupiter - fall
merc - fall .. merc in fall - on desc will likely to survive (throwing a possobility)
It's not about MY way of reading charts. it is about READING charts PROPERLY we all read charts differently but to miss out on that ugly full moon in a crime chart. police hasnt arrested her. they would have.
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For me Jupiter is the significator of the dead child. Mercury represents the other children. If we take the turned 11th for her (girl-)friend, the ruler is also mercury. Mercury and Jupiter are in sextile aspect (but it's still not perfect).
However Mercury is in Jupiter's domicile. So mercury could be a witness, too. But I'm not sure. I am seeing Venus more involved in this case. Part of murder in cancer is at 26 Degree. The Antiscia of this lot is in conjunction with Venus.
part of murder's dispositor is Moon again.
Also 26 cancer is opposite of jup and pluto. Jupiter is 2nd baby?
The querent is asking about did she kill a newborn? Its not about multiple children question. I know your thinkng process is but it is not part of a question. I would be looking at other children as well.
as far as Mars. Mars is void - it is not within orb of anything .. therefore nothing happens to mars.
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part of murder's dispositor is Moon again.
Also 26 cancer is opposite of jup and pluto. Jupiter is 2nd baby?
The querent is asking about did she kill a newborn? Its not about multiple children question. I know your thinkng process is but it is not part of a question. I would be looking at other children as well.
as far as Mars. Mars is void - it is not within orb of anything .. therefore nothing happens to mars.
She was asking then if her girlfriend and her other children could be the witness, too. So they are mercury for me. 5th house ruler is jupiter, in conjunction with Pluto and in Saturn's rulership, the newborn is Jupiter in my opinion. And you mentioned the opposition with the part of murder, which is also an indication that it's Jupiter. And as I wrote...if we take the 7th house as Asc, part of death would be in pisces and the other one in exact conjunction with Saturn. Part of murder is in Sagittarius therefore, Dispositor is Jupiter.
However I'm open for other interpretations. So Moon could be the newborn,too. But overall the most indications speaks for her as murderer.

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