Astrologers' Community  

Go Back   Astrologers' Community > Anything Else... > Chat

Chat For posts that don't have to do with astrological chart interpretation, but they're still important to you. Gossip, show off, hot topic, spiritual thoughts, Sun sign astrological discussions, chit chat: come in and share!


Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #10326  
Unread 03-19-2020, 07:46 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
''Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.'' - Romans 12

Now Paul quoting Proverbs 25 seems to contradict the principle of an eye for an eye. But there is no contradiction between these two statements.
One is either going to be punished in this life, or he is going to be punished at the day of judgement (these are the burning coals). Of course these statements (with Matthew 5:38-44) are contradictory if you are an atheist. But God is coming to exact vengeance upon the nations.

Reply With Quote
  #10327  
Unread 03-19-2020, 07:58 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
One is either going to be punished in this life, or he is going to be punished at the day of judgement (these are the burning coals). Of course these statements (with Matthew 5:38-44) are contradictory if you are an atheist. But God is coming to exact vengeance upon the nations.
Jesus and Paul, being righteous Jews knew that God is either going to punish the wrongdoers, or the wrongdoers will repent of their sins and start keeping the commandments of God. Indeed, it is through the atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ, that people from every tribe and every nation are repenting of their sins and turning towards the God of Israel, and the martyrs followed his example ''for even if you should suffer for righteousness' sake, you will be blessed''.
Reply With Quote
  #10328  
Unread 03-19-2020, 08:06 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Therefore a friend of mine says he prays to God to punish him for the sins he has committed in this life <if God deems it necessary>, so to avoid the wrath of God at the day of judgement, which is taught in many places of the scriptures.
Reply With Quote
  #10329  
Unread 03-19-2020, 08:19 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Thus Jesus Christ and his brother James, whose death at the hands of the Jews is recorded by the historian Josephus and by the church fathers, while they were being unjustly murdered, they were praying for their murderers, for by doing so, they were giving them a second chance while they themselves were getting a crowning reward from God.
Reply With Quote
  #10330  
Unread 03-19-2020, 08:36 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Apps, would you rather have an authoritarian right than a libertarian left government?
Reply With Quote
  #10331  
Unread 03-19-2020, 08:38 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 23,015
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Did the Judeans nail Jesus to the cross with their own hands, and pierce him with a spear? Thought it was the Romans.
Reply With Quote
  #10332  
Unread 03-19-2020, 08:52 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
Did the Judeans nail Jesus to the cross with their own hands, and pierce him with a spear? Thought it was the Romans.
The Sanhedrin couldn't execute anyone during the Roman occupation in a biblical trial. This is a well established historical fact and is also recorded in the Gospels - John 18:31. The Pharisees made it impossible to convict a murderer or an adulterer* by insisting on near impossible amount of evidence, only in order to be able to turn the criminal to the Romans, because the latter forbade it. It was the Jews who turned Jesus to the Romans though, which is why Peter in Acts 2 preached ''Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know — this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.''

(*John 7:53-8:11, one of the most cherished episodes is omitted in recent translations, because it is a forgery along with Mark 16:8-20. These two passages don't appear in the earliest manuscripts we have along with a dozen other disputed verses - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...h_translations.)

Last edited by petosiris; 03-19-2020 at 09:07 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #10333  
Unread 03-19-2020, 09:28 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 23,015
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
Thus Jesus Christ and his brother James, whose death at the hands of the Jews is recorded by the historian Josephus and by the church fathers, while they were being unjustly murdered, they were praying for their murderers, for by doing so, they were giving them a second chance while they themselves were getting a crowning reward from God.
So, not at the "hands" of the Judeans (as they were called in Latin) but those of the Romans. Btw, there were no "Jews" at the time--that's from the pejorative French word, "Giu", late 12th century.
Reply With Quote
  #10334  
Unread 03-19-2020, 09:34 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
So, not at the "hands" of the Judeans (as they were called in Latin) but those of the Romans. Btw, there were no "Jews" at the time--that's from the pejorative French word, "Giu", late 12th century.
I don't consider it pejorative and it is commonplace. We can use Yehudim and Yeshua to sound as if we know Hebrew if you want.

The Romans (lawless men) were the hands of the Jews according to Peter in Acts by Luke. James the brother of Jesus died from stoning by Jews themselves. Crucifixion obviously isn't a Jewish method of execution. Yes, Gentiles were involved in the murder of the Christ.

Do you think that if you say that the Jews killed Yeshua and Yaakov - Jewish brothers from the tribe of Judah, a fact recorded by the gospel writers Mattiyahu and Yohanan, and concerning the latter recorded by the historian Yosef ben Matityahu, you might sound antisemitic? Is the left that brainwashy?

Last edited by petosiris; 03-19-2020 at 09:56 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #10335  
Unread 03-19-2020, 09:54 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 23,015
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Is it "Anti-American" for an American to kill a fellow American?

Or, to say "an American killed an American"?

Last edited by david starling; 03-19-2020 at 09:56 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #10336  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:03 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 23,015
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Just tell the truth--Judean Pharisees asked the Romans to kill a Judean they believed threatened their authority. It wasn't ALL Judeans.
Reply With Quote
  #10337  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:06 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
Is it "Anti-American" for an American to kill a fellow American?

Or, to say "an American killed an American"?
It is anti-human and anti-god to murder anyone. ''Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.'' - Gen. 9:6

With regard to your sophism concerning the trial of Jesus, it is equal to saying that Hitler did not murder 6 millions Jews, because he didn't kill them literally with his own hands.
Reply With Quote
  #10338  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:13 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
Just tell the truth--Judean Pharisees asked the Romans to kill a Judean they believed threatened their authority. It wasn't ALL Judeans.
It is a collective sin that was shared by the nation so that Jerusalem with the Temple was destroyed in 40 days as Jonah prophesied, yes individually some share a greater guilt, for example Caiaphas, Judas and the crowd that shouted for crucifixion compared to Mary the mother of Jesus, Joseph of Arimathea and the disciples of Jesus.

We know from the book of Acts that many Pharisees later joined the sect of the Nazarenes seeing the mighty works done by the apostles and being convinced by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The blinding of their unrepentant successors will only last until the last 3 1/2 years of this age after the Temple has been rebuilt, when they would be disappointed in their coming blaspheming Christ, and this is coming very soon, as they have returned to Jerusalem, blessed be the name of the Lord.

Last edited by petosiris; 03-19-2020 at 10:19 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #10339  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:17 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 23,015
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
It is anti-human and anti-god to murder anyone. ''Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.'' - Gen. 9:6

With regard to your sophism concerning the trial of Jesus, it is equal to saying that Hitler did not murder 6 millions Jews, because he didn't kill them literally with his own hands.
The Pharisees, who numbered about 1% of the population of Jerusalem, persuaded the Romans to do the dirty work.

Did ALL Germans participate in the Holocaust?
Reply With Quote
  #10340  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:22 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
The Pharisees, who numbered about 1% of the population of Jerusalem, persuaded the Romans to do the dirty work.

Did ALL Germans participate in the Holocaust?
Did ALL Jews suffer in 70 AD?
Did ALL Germans suffer in 1945?
Reply With Quote
  #10341  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:32 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 23,015
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
Did ALL Jews suffer in 70 AD?
Did ALL Germans suffer in 1945?
The losing side in a war usually suffers. Although many German scientists and businessmen did quite well for themselves.
Reply With Quote
  #10342  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:32 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Did ALL Jews suffer in 70 AD?
ALL, but not to the same extent. Actually according to some late church fathers tradition, the Jewish Believers were miraculously warned to flee to Pella, who then sojourned in different parts of Syria, whose communities are recorded by many of them. Read Nehemiah 9. Collective sin is rooted in the Hebrew Scriptures.
Reply With Quote
  #10343  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:34 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
The losing side in a war usually suffers. Although many German scientists and businessmen did quite well for themselves.
God is in control of world history, so of course he wouldn't allow the destruction of the Jews. He may discipline them harshly, but they are his people, and the promises are theirs. - Romans 9:4. I hope that their God would not separate me from his people in Is. 56.
Reply With Quote
  #10344  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:36 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 23,015
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Would it be anti-German to say "the Germans killed 6 million Jews"?
The usual description is, "The Nazis killed 6 million Jews".

Last edited by david starling; 03-19-2020 at 10:39 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #10345  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:38 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
Would it be anti-German to say "the Germans killed 6 million Jews"?
It would be germane.
Reply With Quote
  #10346  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:41 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 23,015
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
It would be germane.
More germane to say the Nazis did it.
Reply With Quote
  #10347  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:44 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 23,015
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Did ALL Christians burn women at the stake after accusing them of being servants of the devil?
Reply With Quote
  #10348  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:47 AM
david starling david starling is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Yes
Posts: 23,015
Smile Re: Random Thoughts, strictly Text

Quote:
Originally Posted by petosiris View Post
God is in control of world history, so of course he wouldn't allow the destruction of the Jews. He may discipline them harshly, but they are his people, and the promises are theirs. - Romans 9:4. I hope that their God would not separate me from his people in Is. 56.
He spared the Germans as well.
Reply With Quote
  #10349  
Unread 03-19-2020, 10:58 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
Did ALL Christians burn women at the stake after accusing them of being servants of the devil?
I don't know, some might have been real witches.

But I do repent for the Crusades and the Christian antisemitism of Luther and Calvin done in the name of Jesus Christ, even though I was never a Catholic or Lutheran or Calvinist. And I also repent for the Trinity and idols, even though I currently don't confess them, I repent for every sin by any Christian that defames the holy and perfect character of God, for because of us his name is blasphemed among the Gentiles. I think we should all try to be better - Matthew 5:48, a holy people of the Holy One.
Reply With Quote
  #10350  
Unread 03-19-2020, 11:03 AM
petosiris petosiris is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 4,270
Quote:
Originally Posted by david starling View Post
He spared the Germans as well.
He was quite merciful to them, but they also did much to remove antisemitism, most of them realizing their mistake. But he made most use of the situation to hasten the end days with the formation of Israel, bringing good out of evil and triumphing over the abominable Nazism. Who was to be destroyed is now being restored.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 01:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2005-2018, AstrologyWeekly.com. Boards' structure and all posts are property of AstrologyWeekly.com and their respective creators. No part of the messages sent on these boards may be copied without their owners' explicit consent.