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Is her knee/ other ailments going to get better?

Will me mom's knee and ailments get better?

Hi Team,

I have an inquiry that I'm asking about my mom. She has bad RA (arthritis) and gout and her body is in a lot of pain, I'm wondering if she will feel better and things will get better. She's been doing physio and goes to a RA specialist and exercising as well, but the pain is real and is everlasting. She has back pain as well. She's the sweetest soul and she's hurting. None of these things are life threatening thank god but I thought I would cast a chart as well.


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I noticed the moon, which represents her ailments in sitting in her 8th house, which is my 12th house, but is only 12 degrees in cancer so it's going to move and change signs, but it's also a cadent house. She's mars also sitting in her 12th house, but I think that makes sense given the pandemic and people barely going anywhere?

Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Are you asking the question or is your mother asking the question through you? It would make a difference as to how we assign the houses.
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Are you asking the question or is your mother asking the question through you? It would make a difference as to how we assign the houses.
Thanks Waybread, for your help. I asked the question. I told her about my learning and she told to ask about her knees specifically, so I casted the chart on her behalf.
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Your mother is fortunate to have such a concerned, considerate child.

I use the traditional meaning of the 4th house for one's father and the 10th house for one's mother. Then her health would be the 6th from the 10th, or radix 3rd house. So your mother is ruled by Jupiter (traditional ruler of Pisces) and her health is ruled by the sun.

I think your mother's poor health is indicated by Jupiter in its fall in Capricorn, the sign that rules the knees.

I don't want to hold out false hope, because if there were simple cures, she would have found them by now.

But a couple of possibilities:

One, is has your mother tried pain management techniques, working with a clinical psychologist who specializes in this field? I'm looking at the sun in Taurus right there with Uranus, the modern ruler of psychology.

Then the moon is in her turned 4th house (radix 1st house,) with the moon, Cancer, and the 4th house ruling the stomach and digestion. Probably she's been recommended a diet to relieve her gout, but anti-inflammatory diets are apparently good for RA relief.https://www.webmd.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/ra-foods#1 Whatever she's doing by way of diet-- there may be more help where that comes from.
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Your mother is fortunate to have such a concerned, considerate child.

I use the traditional meaning of the 4th house for one's father and the 10th house for one's mother. Then her health would be the 6th from the 10th, or radix 3rd house. So your mother is ruled by Jupiter (traditional ruler of Pisces) and her health is ruled by the sun.

I think your mother's poor health is indicated by Jupiter in its fall in Capricorn, the sign that rules the knees.

I don't want to hold out false hope, because if there were simple cures, she would have found them by now.

But a couple of possibilities:

One, is has your mother tried pain management techniques, working with a clinical psychologist who specializes in this field? I'm looking at the sun in Taurus right there with Uranus, the modern ruler of psychology.

Then the moon is in her turned 4th house (radix 1st house,) with the moon, Cancer, and the 4th house ruling the stomach and digestion. Probably she's been recommended a diet to relieve her gout, but anti-inflammatory diets are apparently good for RA relief.https://www.webmd.com/rheumatoid-arthritis/ra-foods#1 Whatever she's doing by way of diet-- there may be more help where that comes from.
Thanks so much, and yes, she's my best friend. So she was taking steroid injections to help with the knee pain, but it got better so they removed her off of that (which is amazing). She also started a walking program, 5 days a week to lose some weight and alleviate pressure off of her knees. She has had to change her diet as well, to accommodate her gout flare ups, but that has her eating healthier/ better.

The reason why the question was sprung on was because she did too much walking + exercise yesterday and here knee was super sore today. But its mostly the inflammation that gets to her sometimes.

Is her health in serious danger or anything? I didn't ask that question, but can you tell from the chart? I always know also to look at the 8t house, so it's ruled by venus, but its not making an aspect to her.

Also, medication would be 10th house right? So that's ruled by Saturn and it's making an applying conjuction to her health.

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"Then the moon is in her turned 4th house (radix 1st house,) with the moon, Cancer, and the 4th house ruling the stomach and digestion"

The knees and stomach are connected reflex points.
You write that she has changed her diet because of gout.
Gout is the disease of the rich, they say, because it has to do with exaggeration of rich foods!
Gluttony.
Again, digestion, stomach.
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Thanks Waybread, for your help. I asked the question. I told her about my learning and she told to ask about her knees specifically, so I casted the chart on her behalf.
if you casted the chart on her behalf then this is your mother's question not yours and she's represented by asc-moon

otherwise... if you asked for your mother's health then she's radix 10th

So clarify once more whether indeed she's the one who asks about her knees-health problems-arthritis, cause i don't understand why you used the derived houses
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if you casted the chart on her behalf then this is your mother's question not yours and she's represented by asc-moon

otherwise... if you asked for your mother's health then she's radix 10th

So clarify once more whether indeed she's the one who asks about her knees-health problems-arthritis, cause i don't understand why you used the derived houses

She asked me a solid 30-40 min before I casted the chart, so I casted the chart at the time that I thought to, on her behalf.

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Re: Is her knee/ other ailments going to get better?

Coconut oil and also Apple cider vinegar is supposed to be good for Arthritis. Do some googling about them.

https://forum.gon.com/threads/all-na...ut-oil.783455/
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Re: Is her knee/ other ailments going to get better?

Since your mother asked this question is represented by moon.
Her arthritis is obvious all over the chart, but here we are not searching to see whether she has it or not..we know that..we check whether her condition will improve..especially the recent sore in her knee as you said.

her knee is represented by this mars (a hot and dry planet in a hot and moist air sign ) so indeed there's a problem cause mars is ill in aquarious and as his dispositor saturn( hot and moist in the 3rd degree) is typical of gout (high levels of uric acid in the body, that cause crystals to be deposited in the joint area. Uric acid is a normal breakdown product of purine metabolism. Abnormally elevated blood levels of uric acid, which are associated with gouty arthritis, arise through either excessive production of uric acid or decreased excretion of uric acid by the kidneys) also unbalanced (kidneys also accidental ruler saturn, natural sig venus) .all the relevant body parts have problem either saturn as accidental ruler of her 9th(buttocks, hips), 10th jupiter (thighs), mars (knees), 12th (mercury) feet.

To cut it short the current problem is not only due to the chronical one (saturn mars dispositor in fixed aquarious), but mainly due to mercury's combustion in the 11th on the cusp of the body part which is ruled by venus (as you may see there venus is intercepted in the 11th).mercury in taurus (in mars detriment) indicates an excess of black choler,( taurus is an Earth sign). This melancholic excess has disturbed the function of mercury as a planetary energy. Mixed with the black choler we find also yellow choler coming from the hot and dry Sun. The Sun (in mars detriment) is not the deepest cause of the disease (we can see also the recent separating aspect to saturn) - this is the melancholy excess - but it is part of the illness.So overall an excess of dryness while there is no moisture in the joints(as to lubricate), so dry surfaces rasp and scratch over each other and this gives heat. cold and dry black choler is the deepest cause and this results in friction and heat, the inflammatory symptom.

So no this inflammation won't pass right away, although the meditation is taking (l10-jupiter in his fall) has a cooling and dry effect in order to help saturn and mars, still adds extra dryness and cold to an already dry and cold mercury increasing the imbalance which is the deepest cause of the disease in this body part, although decreases the inflammatory symptom. Your mother has to rest and mayby she could seek alternative treatments to ease her pain instead of cortisone(jupiter in moon's detriment) which disturbs her body balance, and other body parts.Diet for sure is of utmost importance
I hope she gets better soon enough

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Since your mother asked this question is represented by moon.
Her arthritis is obvious all over the chart, but here we are not searching to see whether she has it or not..we know that..we check whether her condition will improve..especially the recent sore in her knee as you said.

her knee is represented by this mars (a hot and dry planet in a hot and moist air sign ) so indeed there's a problem cause mars is ill in aquarious and as his dispositor saturn( hot and moist in the 3rd degree) is typical of gout (high levels of uric acid in the body, that cause crystals to be deposited in the joint area. Uric acid is a normal breakdown product of purine metabolism. Abnormally elevated blood levels of uric acid, which are associated with gouty arthritis, arise through either excessive production of uric acid or decreased excretion of uric acid by the kidneys) also unbalanced (kidneys also accidental ruler saturn, natural sig venus) .all the relevant body parts have problem either saturn as accidental ruler of her 9th(buttocks, hips), 10th jupiter (thighs), mars (knees), 12th (mercury) feet.

To cut it short the current problem is not only due to the chronical one (saturn mars dispositor in fixed aquarious), but mainly due to mercury's combustion in the 11th on the cusp of the body part which is ruled by venus (as you may see there venus is intercepted in the 11th).mercury in taurus (in mars detriment) indicates an excess of black choler,( taurus is an Earth sign). This melancholic excess has disturbed the function of mercury as a planetary energy. Mixed with the black choler we find also yellow choler coming from the hot and dry Sun. The Sun (in mars detriment) is not the deepest cause of the disease (we can see also the recent separating aspect to saturn) - this is the melancholy excess - but it is part of the illness.So overall an excess of dryness while there is no moisture in the joints(as to lubricate), so dry surfaces rasp and scratch over each other and this gives heat. cold and dry black choler is the deepest cause and this results in friction and heat, the inflammatory symptom.

So no this inflammation won't pass right away, although the meditation is taking (l10-jupiter in his fall) has a cooling and dry effect in order to help saturn and mars, still adds extra dryness and cold to an already dry and cold mercury increasing the imbalance which is the deepest cause of the disease in this body part, although decreases the inflammatory symptom. Your mother has to rest and mayby she could seek alternative treatments to ease her pain instead of cortisone(jupiter in moon's detriment) which disturbs her body balance, and other body parts.Diet for sure is of utmost importance
I hope she gets better soon enough
Hi AV, thanks for taking the time to respond I have a couple questions:

1. How come my mom is the ascendent, when I asked the question on her behalf after she asked it to me?
2. I wonder if there's also an issue with her current gout medication, her RA doctor switched her and this one doesn't seem to be as effective for her. I understand that you wrote in the above that the medication is essentially a band-aid, but I think she should also go back and try and get on the original gout medication.
3. Arthritis runs in her family, so I'm thinking that it's genetic. Also, she feels a lot better when she's doing light walking and exercise.
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Hi AV, thanks for taking the time to respond I have a couple questions:

1. How come my mom is the ascendent, when I asked the question on her behalf after she asked it to me?
2. I wonder if there's also an issue with her current gout medication, her RA doctor switched her and this one doesn't seem to be as effective for her. I understand that you wrote in the above that the medication is essentially a band-aid, but I think she should also go back and try and get on the original gout medication.
3. Arthritis runs in her family, so I'm thinking that it's genetic. Also, she feels a lot better when she's doing light walking and exercise.
hahh ok back to basics:

1. "How come my mom is the ascendent, when I asked the question on her behalf after she asked it to me?"

third party question is when you ask about someone else without being told-asked to do so.You are asking cause you are worried about your mother's health for example.But in this case :Your mother was worried about her knee, she told you to make a chart( ...after she asked it to me...) and see about it...its her question!!!!!you simply cast the chart.this is what we mean by saying;i cast the chart on her behalf
if you wonder whether your boyfriend will find a job and you make a question "when my bf will find a job?" then this is a third party question and he's the dc(L7).If he tells you can you please cast a chart and see whether i will find a job?, then he's the one who asks, is his question!!!! and accordingly takes the asc, so simple

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The Querent: The person asking the question is referred to as the querent.
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The First House Represents the person asking the question...in this case the querent is your mom, the one who asks about her knee, not you

2.i explained to you about the current treatment since you mentioned it earlier.Yes she should check other ones, although her question wasn't specifically about her treatment...whether she must change it or not...so stick to the core..don't get carried away

3.obviously exercise and controlling her weight-diet is very important and i already told you that this is chronical (mars-saturn, in fixed signs) and we have now this mercury combust afflicting the situation once more from taurus

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I don't think the therapy your mum is having will have a great effect on her as moon and Saturn are inconjunct.
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I don't think your mother is in any serious immediate danger--- based just upon this chart, obviously.
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hahh ok back to basics:

1. "How come my mom is the ascendent, when I asked the question on her behalf after she asked it to me?"

third party question is when you ask about someone else without being told-asked to do so.You are asking cause you are worried about your mother's health for example.But in this case :Your mother was worried about her knee, she told you to make a chart( ...after she asked it to me...) and see about it...its her question!!!!!you simply cast the chart.this is what we mean by saying;i cast the chart on her behalf
if you wonder whether your boyfriend will find a job and you make a question "when my bf will find a job?" then this is a third party question and he's the dc(L7).If he tells you can you please cast a chart and see whether i will find a job?, then he's the one who asks, is his question!!!! and accordingly takes the asc, so simple

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The First House Represents the person asking the question...in this case the querent is your mom, the one who asks about her knee, not you

2.i explained to you about the current treatment since you mentioned it earlier.Yes she should check other ones, although her question wasn't specifically about her treatment...whether she must change it or not...so stick to the core..don't get carried away

3.obviously exercise and controlling her weight-diet is very important and i already told you that this is chronical (mars-saturn, in fixed signs) and we have now this mercury combust afflicting the situation once more from taurus
Thank you for very helpful advuce & clarification of the basics!
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Re: Is her knee/ other ailments going to get better?

Hi everyone, just wanted to let you know that we got permission from her pharmacist to start her on a Curcumin Turmeric natural medication. Apparently its been very successful for inflammation within the body.

She's also completely changed her diet and her knee is feeling much much better. She's walking more as well to get exercise and lose some weight.

I'll keep you posted as things happen.

Thanks again, everyone. I appreciate you all taking the time to provide your feedback on her chart.
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