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Trumps natal chart shows under him will america become irrelevant as a global power

So looking at all the numerology and the natal chart of number 45 Donald Trump it shows that under his reign will america sink away from being a global power into a position of being a non-entity in the global scheme as well as turmoil and hardship and strife and suffering within the nation. his solar sign is in Gemini, which dealing with energy astrology Gemini is a low energy low vibration house and this is the energy he is bringing over america. and so america will be compassed by low energy and low vibration under his reign and you will almost start to see people regress and devolve into a cave man state. Gemini represents a fallen empire. and this is also the energy he is bringing. the energy of a fallen empire. His luna is 2nd cycle sagittarius which brings the bible verse to mind ' HOW HAS THE HAMMER OF THE NATIONS FALLEN ' meaning under him america will go from being the buttkicker of the nations to being one of the nations getting their butt kicked by a new superpower who will rise. and so he is bringing the energy of a fallen buttkicker all over america. and in due time all these things will start to manifest although we are starting to see glimpses of it.
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So looking at all the numerology and the natal chart of number 45 Donald Trump it shows that under his reign will america sink away from being a global power into a position of being a non-entity in the global scheme as well as turmoil and hardship and strife and suffering within the nation. his solar sign is in Gemini, which dealing with energy astrology Gemini is a low energy low vibration house and this is the energy he is bringing over america. and so america will be compassed by low energy and low vibration under his reign and you will almost start to see people regress and devolve into a cave man state. Gemini represents a fallen empire. and this is also the energy he is bringing. the energy of a fallen empire. His luna is 2nd cycle sagittarius which brings the bible verse to mind ' HOW HAS THE HAMMER OF THE NATIONS FALLEN ' meaning under him america will go from being the buttkicker of the nations to being one of the nations getting their butt kicked by a new superpower who will rise. and so he is bringing the energy of a fallen buttkicker all over america. and in due time all these things will start to manifest although we are starting to see glimpses of it.
I can't speak to much of what you're saying, but what birth time are you using for Trump? The chart you attached has Pisces rising, but Trump's Ascendant is in Leo.

Where are you getting your interpretation of Gemini? I've never seen any of this before.
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i dont use peoples time of birth because they are never accurate. I use the start of the day at 00:00 hours UNIVERSAL time because the gods use UNIVERSAL TIME and the start of the day dictates the spiritual direction the day goes. its esoteric atlantean astrology from the mystery schools
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i dont use peoples time of birth because they are never accurate. I use the start of the day at 00:00 hours UNIVERSAL time because the gods use UNIVERSAL TIME and the start of the day dictates the spiritual direction the day goes. its esoteric atlantean astrology from the mystery schools
Doesn't that mean that the above interpretation applies to every person in the world born on the same day as Trump? Why did he become president instead of one of the other hundreds of thousands of babies born that day? Does everyone born on the same day as Trump share the same spiritual direction?
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well several factors come into play. what country was the person born in ? different countries have different energy signatures and cosmic purposes. Next is what racial category is this person ? Racial categories have their own cosmic signatures. Next we have the karmic debt from past life of these souls. Not every soul born on the same day has the same karmic debts. These are just 3 off the top of my head that will bring variations in interpretations.
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well several factors come into play.
what country was the person born in ?
almost four million people were born same year as President Donald Trump
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in same country as President Donald Trump
i.e. approximately
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different countries have different energy signatures and cosmic purposes. Next is what racial category is this person ? Racial categories have their own cosmic signatures. Next we have the karmic debt from past life of these souls. Not every soul born on the same day has the same karmic debts. These are just 3 off the top of my head that will bring variations in interpretations.
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they all dont have the same karmic debt. neither where they all born in new york. each city and state has its own energy signature. neither are they all caucasian
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I suppose the US and EU have fallen, there goes the Constitution and the Schengen treaty. China believes they will be the next global superpower and Japan will be a role model economy after the western world goes into decline. Whether the US will become another North Korea (the most authoritarian possible) or end up like Somalia (a country without a real government) is determined by the natal chart of Donald Trump who proved himself unworthy of leadership. I can see Putin is the world's strongest leader to revive Russia's position in the geopolitical scene and the rise of India, Iran and South Korea, ancient eastern civilizations to surpass the US soon.
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well several factors come into play.
what country was the person born in ?.
approximately

eleven thousand people were born same country and day as President Donald Trump
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I suppose the US and EU have fallen, there goes the Constitution and the Schengen treaty. China believes they will be the next global superpower and Japan will be a role model economy after the western world goes into decline. Whether the US will become another North Korea (the most authoritarian possible) or end up like Somalia (a country without a real government) is determined by the natal chart of Donald Trump who proved himself unworthy of leadership. I can see Putin is the world's strongest leader to revive Russia's position in the geopolitical scene and the rise of India, Iran and South Korea, ancient eastern civilizations to surpass the US soon.
yup you said it
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yup you said it
Canada is a more developed nation, Mexico has a bigger influence on the US than our culturally similar neighbor, and look at the pace of development in a few Latin American nations like Brazil and southern cone of South America. In our own western hemisphere the US long was dominant, we're not going to maintain this position for long. Can the US recover once Donald Trump is defeated in the upcoming presidential election?
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they all dont have the same karmic debt.
neither where they all born in new york.
each city and state has its own energy signature.
neither are they all caucasian
explain and detail your methods of how to assess "karmic debt"
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eleven thousand people were born same country and day as President Donald Trump
all 11,000 people have different karmic debts from past life. all are not white. all are not born in new york city. all these things are not coincidental
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Canada is a more developed nation, Mexico has a bigger influence on the US than our culturally similar neighbor, and look at the pace of development in a few Latin American nations like Brazil and southern cone of South America. In our own western hemisphere the US long was dominant, we're not going to maintain this position for long. Can the US recover once Donald Trump is defeated in the upcoming presidential election?
there is no recovery. it is written in the stars. its the end of a paradigm. the end of an era. the end of an empire
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So looking at all the numerology
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and the natal chart of number 45 Donald Trump it shows that under his reign will america sink away from being a global power into a position of being a non-entity in the global scheme as well as turmoil and hardship and strife and suffering within the nation. his solar sign is in Gemini, which dealing with energy astrology Gemini is a low energy low vibration house and this is the energy he is bringing over america. and so america will be compassed by low energy and low vibration under his reign and you will almost start to see people regress and devolve into a cave man state. Gemini represents a fallen empire. and this is also the energy he is bringing. the energy of a fallen empire. His luna is 2nd cycle sagittarius which brings the bible verse to mind ' HOW HAS THE HAMMER OF THE NATIONS FALLEN ' meaning under him america will go from being the buttkicker of the nations to being one of the nations getting their butt kicked by a new superpower who will rise. and so he is bringing the energy of a fallen buttkicker all over america. and in due time all these things will start to manifest although we are starting to see glimpses of it.
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explain and detail your methods of how to assess "karmic debt"
to access karmic debt you look at the era, and what nations are on top during the era, what racial category is on top during the era. what racial category is the person. you look at nation of birth. you look at birth circumstances. family circumstances. you look at life progression circumstances, any diseases, congenital diseases, etc etc etc etc etc
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ours is an astrological forum
this board is our Natal Astrology board
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(after you post your own birth chart interpretation).
Includes psychological and relocation astrology, houses, aspects,
and planetary dignity and debility..."
you cant do astrology without numerology. those degrees and minutes and seconds exist for a reason. those are numbers. they carry a message in them. a good astrologer has to be into numerology
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well several factors come into play. what country was the person born in ? different countries have different energy signatures and cosmic purposes. Next is what racial category is this person ? Racial categories have their own cosmic signatures. Next we have the karmic debt from past life of these souls. Not every soul born on the same day has the same karmic debts. These are just 3 off the top of my head that will bring variations in interpretations.
I agree that the country of birth, race, and socioeconomic status are relevant to how the symbolism is drawn out for each person, but I struggle to see how you can arrive at such a strong conclusion about a specific person using a chart that applies to hundreds of thousands of people.

All that aside, what are the specific astrological factors that helped you come to that conclusion? You mentioned the Sun in Gemini and Moon in Sagittarius, which once again applies to millions of people. What's unique about Trump?

It seems to me that you could've arrived at the same conclusion without astrology at all. Lots of people feel the same way about the United States being in a period of decline, some feel specifically because of Trump. Most of those people don't know anything about astrology, which leads me to believe that your interpretation might rest on assumptions that have nothing to do with astrology.
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all 11,000 people have different karmic debts from past life.
explain how you personally define and assess "...karmic debts from past life..."
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all are not white.
explain your definition of "white"

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all are not born in new york city.
obviously

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all these things are not coincidental

explain
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to access karmic debt you look at the era, and what nations are on top during the era, what racial category is on top during the era. what racial category is the person. you look at nation of birth. you look at birth circumstances. family circumstances. you look at life progression circumstances, any diseases, congenital diseases, etc etc etc etc etc
explain your methodology
- other than our own personal opinion
explain your method
that you use
to assess these factors using numerology
you stated you used numerology to arrive at these opinions
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you cant do astrology without numerology.
many would disagree with that opinion
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those degrees and minutes and seconds exist for a reason.
clearly the reason "those degrees and minutes and seconds exist"
is because that is one way of enumerating the concept of TIME
in this case
TIME OF BIRTH OF THE INDIVIDUAL
RELATIVE to the LOCATION OF THE INVIDIDUAL
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those are numbers.
that's stating the obvious
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they carry a message in them.
a good astrologer has to be into numerology
you are entitled to your opinion
with which many may disagree
likewise
everyone is entitled to their opinon as well
and clearly you may disagree with the opinons of others
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his solar sign is in Gemini,
which dealing with energy astrology

Gemini is a low energy low vibration house
explain "energy astrology"

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and this is the energy he is bringing over america
and so
america will be compassed by low energy
and low vibration
under his reign and you will almost start to see people regress
and devolve into a cave man state.
Gemini represents a fallen empire.
and this is also the energy he is bringing.
the energy of a fallen empire.
provide the evidence for your stating the above opinion
given that

President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - GEMINI
President G.W. Bush - GEMINI
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I agree that the country of birth, race, and socioeconomic status are relevant to how the symbolism is drawn out for each person, but I struggle to see how you can arrive at such a strong conclusion about a specific person using a chart that applies to hundreds of thousands of people.

All that aside, what are the specific astrological factors that helped you come to that conclusion? You mentioned the Sun in Gemini and Moon in Sagittarius, which once again applies to millions of people. What's unique about Trump?

It seems to me that you could've arrived at the same conclusion without astrology at all. Lots of people feel the same way about the United States being in a period of decline, some feel specifically because of Trump. Most of those people don't know anything about astrology, which leads me to believe that your interpretation might rest on assumptions that have nothing to do with astrology.
Its a good question you ask. so why trump and not others born on the same day ? its simple ? others born on the same day are not in the position he is in. and so astrology does not exist in a vacuum, out of your spiritual signatures does your physical life evolve and so in his case he is bringing this energy over the country he rules but another person born on the same day who is cauasian and had the same karmic debt and was born in new york will be bringing the same energy but over his own circumstances whatever they may be like say if he is a trucker then maybe in time his trucking business which was number one will slump and fail etc etc. you get it ? you will briing that same energy over your circumstances whatever they may be if both entities happen to have the same astrological signatures
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there is no recovery. it is written in the stars.

its the end of a paradigm. the end of an era.

the end of an empire

easy to say but you provide no reasons

ours is an astrological learning forum
and so
explain to us how "it is written in the stars"
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explain how you personally define and assess "...karmic debts from past life..."

explain your definition of "white"


obviously


explain
there are no coincidences in life. everything is how it is supposed to be. its a spiritual world which is programmed like a computer and the physical aspect of it is just a manifestation. one of the programs is astrology. and you need the numbers to go with it. not just houses and aspects
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