Dec 14th Total Eclipse of the Sun on Donald Trump

Relocation? Change of Career? (as mentioned below )



It appears that way so far for Donald John Trump who will be experiencing a Lunar Eclipse on December 14th, 2020:







The Total Solar Eclipse on 12/14/20 will be 23Sagittarius - DJT was born on the day of a T Lunar Eclipse - 23 Sagittarius.







about Eclipses in general:
I found this link referring to the Eclipse from Jupiter ASC -





effect of an eclipse varies
dependent on the individual natal chart planetary placements
BECAUSE Angles ASC/DESC/IC/MC
are a variable factor from chart to chart.
So generalization is not encouraged

one may note however that
Eclipse effects are certainly linked with change
such as relocation, change of career, relationship changes
possibly to friends or relatives
not necessarily oneself
dependent on the natal chart promise

An eclipse can link two places together.
There are eclipses that activate other eclipses
from decades earlier.
Events that happen on or around an eclipse can have outcomes
when activated by later eclipses
Every 18 years or so, eclipses repeat, which can have significant impact.
All of which is to say that a solar eclipse
remains a sensitive point for years, decades, even centuries.
Far longer than anyone had previously thought.
"... book will revolutionize the study of eclipses"
Cycles Research. http://www.billmeridian.com/ppoep.html

Re: Dec 14th Total Eclipse of the Sun

The op chart shows the wrong birth time so here is his true birth chart - on the day of the December Solar Eclipse:


(over his 4th house) .....sounds like he is moving?

Re: Dec 14th Total Eclipse of the Sun

leomoon said:

The op chart shows the wrong birth time so here is his true birth chart - on the day of the December Solar Eclipse:


(over his 4th house) .....sounds like he is moving?

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keep in mind that





the moon returns to the same degree

on a certain date

every 19 years
on the Metonic Cycle of the Moon


So if you have not noticed anything extraordinary happening

when there was a full moon lunar eclipse
on your natal planet or angle in the past
then

perhaps nothing much is likely to occur this time either



- although Moon may return to the same sign earlier than that

e.g. on another cycle. The moon has several cycles.





IT IS POSSIBLE that eclipses directly on natal planets
MAY have negative - even fatal effects.

HOWEVER the effect of the eclipse varies,
dependent on the individual natal chart planetary placements

BECAUSE Angles ASC/DESC/IC/MC

are a variable factor from chart to chart.

So generalization is not encouraged






Eclipse effects ARE NOT NECESSARILY 'disastrous'
but they are certainly linked with change

such as relocation, change of career, relationship changes.


An eclipse - whether solar or lunar - does not necessarily affect everyone
but those whose natal charts are connected to it

by aspect to their natal planets/ASC/DESC/IC/MC.


According to a book "Predictive Power of Eclipse Paths" by Bill Meridian:

QUOTE

“Eclipse paths are an astrological technique

that can pin point important areas on the surface of the earth

for you individually.
When you were born there had to be an eclipse near your birth.
By a method developed in the 1930's by Lorne Edward Johndhro of California
which he later passed on to Charles A Jayne Junior
of New York
we can determine which eclipse is your eclipse path.
This could be an area

that could be very important to you during your life
whether you go there or not.
People from that area, ideas from that area, products from that area
can be very important to you. ”


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t4FQ...eature=related


The natal part of the book explains

that the "birth eclipse" is the eclipse nearest to birth,
before or after - usually a solar eclipse,

but is sometimes lunar.


Bill Meridan's book explains

that Eclipses on the same area

can be studied as eclipse families.

An eclipse can link two places together.

There are eclipses that activate other eclipses,

from decades earlier.


Events that happen on or around an eclipse
can have fateful outcomes when activated by later eclipses

Every 18 years or so, eclipses repeat,

which can have significant impact.

All of which is to say that

a solar eclipse remains a sensitive point for years,
decades, even centuries.

Far longer than anyone had previously thought.


"This book will revolutionize the study of eclipses" Cycles Research.
http://www.billmeridian.com/ppoep.html

leomoon said:

Relocation? Change of Career? (as mentioned below )



It appears that way so far for Donald John Trump who will be experiencing a Lunar Eclipse on December 14th, 2020:







The Total Solar Eclipse on 12/14/20 will be 23Sagittarius - DJT was born on the day of a T Lunar Eclipse - 23 Sagittarius.

about Eclipses in general:
I found this link referring to the Eclipse from Jupiter ASC -

JUPITERASC said:

by the way
effect of an eclipse varies
dependent on the individual natal chart planetary placements
BECAUSE Angles ASC/DESC/IC/MC
are a variable factor from chart to chart.
So generalization is not encouraged

one may note however that
Eclipse effects are certainly linked with change
such as relocation, change of career, relationship changes
possibly to friends or relatives
not necessarily oneself
dependent on the natal chart promise

An eclipse can link two places together.
There are eclipses that activate other eclipses
from decades earlier.
Events that happen on or around an eclipse can have outcomes
when activated by later eclipses
Every 18 years or so, eclipses repeat, which can have significant impact.
All of which is to say that a solar eclipse
remains a sensitive point for years, decades, even centuries.
Far longer than anyone had previously thought.
"... book will revolutionize the study of eclipses"
Cycles Research. http://www.billmeridian.com/ppoep.html



therefore
recalling events at the previous eclipse on that degree
provides insight regarding potential


.

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Re: Dec 14th Total Eclipse of the Sun

.

keep in mind that potential influence of an eclipse
upon any given individual
is entirely dependent upon the susceptibility of that individual
as shown in their natal chart, coupled with
the currently active Solar Return situation of that person
at the time of the eclipse
also modified by the progressed and/or directed condition
of the natal chart indicators at the time of the eclipse





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TRUMP'S "D" DAY:





Dec. 2020 Eclipse and Donald Trump:

From Peter Stockinger:
“What stands out immediately is the fact that the eclipsed Sun will be conjunct two fixed stars which will have an impact on the events to unfold. Firstly, the Sun will be conjunct fixed star [FONT=&quot]Lesath[/FONT] in Scorpius, which is the "sting" in the tail of the scorpion. This points to accidents, danger, catastrophes or operations (This is according to the German astrologer Elsbeth Ebertin, who 'modernized' this from the old idea that under the influence of Lesath, people were running the risk of being torn to pieces by wild animals, being butchered, or being quartered as a form of punishment). Of course, due to the conjunction of Sun and Moon, this means that the Moon will also be conjunct fixed star Lesath. Astrologer Vivian Robson knows that this suggests additional danger, desperation, immorality, and malevolence, and that there is a connection with acid poisons.”





From the Classical Astrologer “P.James Clark”:
[FONT=&quot]The Moon is in the 21st Lunar Mansion, Al-Baldah. The Picatrix refers to this Mansion as Albelda and abruptly claims it to be "for destruction." (Trans. Greer & Warnock 2010-11 p. 293) Ibn 'Arabi (1200 AD) starkly refers to this Mansion as The Death-Giver.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Christopher Warnock writes of this Mansion: "It is a sign of enmity and anger, argument and conflict. It might literally signal that someone is being two-faced, saying one thing to us and doing another. If the question concerns the progress of an activity, this Mansion generally suggests a negative answer. This is the time to accept that the path we have travelled has reached its end. We are playing an end game. It is time to cut our losses." [/FONT]

See the fixed stars in the Lunar Mansions that will be germane or relevant:

leomoon said:

Relocation? Change of Career? (as mentioned below )
It appears that way so far for Donald John Trump who will be experiencing a Lunar Eclipse on December 14th, 2020:

blackbery said:

A Solar Eclipse conjunct his Moon is extremely fortunate time...he will be shining like a full moon & his personality (Sun) will be highlighted.

He might get awarded the 279 Electoral Votes at that time (which he won already but they denied it) to bring him the re-election win or possibly a decision from the courts which will be in his favour.

I wasn't aware of this upcoming eclipse in Dec & appreciate the posting.

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The Total Solar Eclipse on 12/14/20 will be 23Sagittarius - DJT was born on the day of a T Lunar Eclipse - 23 Sagittarius.

blackbery said:

Mars sq Saturn an aspect of 'an attack against a government'.

We know that President Trump was on his way to a huge Victory on Nov 3rd.....until they stopped the count in the key swing states! They called AZ very early yet held off calling FL for a long time...and they refuse to call NC & Alaska even though Trump clearly won those.

MSM act like an arm of the DNC just like Trump said...they called sleepy Joe as the winner even though 5 states are still counting & there are recounts for at least two (GA & WI).

Mercury turning Direct on the same day indicated delay, confusion but we now know that most of it wasn't accidental but by design to commit a massive fraud upon President Trump.

When will we know for sure? Maybe right after the solar eclipse on Dec 14th?

Mars also turns Direct on the 13th Nov & that should move things along with the fraud investigations & the courts. Right now, energy is trapped & thwarted with Mars Retro & not a good thing!

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about Eclipses in general:
I found this link referring to the Eclipse from Jupiter ASC -

JUPITERASC said:

by the way
effect of an eclipse varies
dependent on the individual natal chart planetary placements
BECAUSE Angles ASC/DESC/IC/MC
are a variable factor from chart to chart.
So generalization is not encouraged

one may note however that
Eclipse effects are certainly linked with change
such as relocation, change of career, relationship changes
possibly to friends or relatives
not necessarily oneself
dependent on the natal chart promise

An eclipse can link two places together.
There are eclipses that activate other eclipses
from decades earlier.
Events that happen on or around an eclipse can have outcomes
when activated by later eclipses
Every 18 years or so, eclipses repeat, which can have significant impact.
All of which is to say that a solar eclipse
remains a sensitive point for years, decades, even centuries.
Far longer than anyone had previously thought.
"... book will revolutionize the study of eclipses"
Cycles Research. http://www.billmeridian.com/ppoep.html



therefore
recalling events at the previous eclipse on that degree
provides insight regarding potential


.

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Biden's China Sellout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcwAtFb4Zpw




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT9yr7jMV28

I recall reading somewhere, that we should be looking back to 18 years ago in a person's life, to see how an upcoming Solar Eclipse may affect him or her.

I wondered about Donald Trump's past but didn't go any farther to figure out that timeline of approximately 18 years ago.


Today, I received some information from an article written about him and believe it is the clue of that 18 years in an Eclipse that will occur again (more or less): A very serious time for him if we count "serious" as very hard time:



https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/12/20/trump-white-house-losing-448903


The only moment in Trump’s life that remotely compares to what’s happening right now is in early 1990.

He was mired in a tabloid-catnip marital breakup on account of an affair with the B-movie actress who eventually would become the second of his three wives and the mother of the fourth of his five children. He also was a staggering $3.4 billion in debt—personally liable for nearly a billion of that—his business affairs in New York and with his casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, in absolute shambles. “I would have been looking for the nearest building to jump off of,” Steve Bollenbach, the financial fixer banks made Trump hire, once told biographer Tim O’Brien.


That spring, according to Vanity Fair, Trump ordered in burgers and fries and stayed up late in bed, staring at the ceiling.

Looks like I must have read it here, (see above post about the book on Eclipses from Bill Meridian -) for reference :



An eclipse can link two places together.

There are eclipses that activate other eclipses,

from decades earlier.


Events that happen on or around an eclipse
can have fateful outcomes when activated by later eclipses

Every 18 years or so, eclipses repeat,

which can have significant impact.

All of which is to say that

a solar eclipse remains a sensitive point for years,
decades, even centuries.

Far longer than anyone had previously thought.


"This book will revolutionize the study of eclipses" Cycles Research.
http://www.billmeridian.com/ppoep.html

Astrology only

All,

Please put SOME astrology in your posts in this thread.

Astrology only,

Tim

Ref: Post #7 above:


The post outlines various hard times (to the max) that occurred in the late 1990s early 2000 years. Here are the Solar Eclipse dates and signs that DJT would have experienced to the natal chart back then - now returning approx 18 years later:




Solar Eclipse:

(see experiences during these times in post #7 -in which was the attempt to give you ALL a background of

experiences that could have been the 18 year prior mark mentioned earlier by J's post above-




August 22, 1998 - in 29th°Leo which is conjunct his ASC and Mars
February 16th, 1999 - in 27°Aquarius opposing his natal Mars & ASC
July 01,2000 @ 10 Cancer conjunct Mercury 11th house

July 31,2000 - @ 08Leo conjunct his 12th house Pluto at 10Leo

Dec. 25,2000- @ 04Capricorn conjunct natal Mercury and square natal Neptune







LUNAR ECLIPSES:

Jan. 31, 1999 - Lunar E @ 11 Leo conjunct 12th house Pluto

Jan. 9th, 2001= Lunar E. @ 20°Cancer conjunct 11th house Saturn

July 05, 2001 SE square his Chiron



This one is the referenced 18-19 year mark for this year's SE:



Solar EclipseDec 14 200123° Sagittarius Conj.n.Moon and opposed his Sun



**there are likely more here but it was certainly a very busy time for him:

https://cosmicintelligenceagency.com/eclipse-datesdegrees-signs-2000-2024/

Re: Dec 14th Total Eclipse of the Sun

JUPITERASC said:

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keep in mind that potential influence of an eclipse
upon any given individual
is entirely dependent upon the susceptibility of that individual
as shown in their natal chart, coupled with
the currently active Solar Return situation of that person
at the time of the eclipse
also modified by the progressed and/or directed condition
of the natal chart indicators at the time of the eclipse

The19thLaw said:

I think that despite what happens, outside of a miracle, Biden would be incapable of going against Trump. The reason here is that Biden has a heavily Scorpio chart including the overhyped placement of Mars in Scorpio.

On the other hand, I think an opponent like Trump is almost a nightmare to any Scorpio for one reason, he simply calls the BS and hypocrisy out. I'd say most Scorpios seeking power are like cult leaders who live by the saying do as I say not as I do.

Scorpios rely on secrecy and on people being in the dark on what they are doing. When called out on their hypocrisy, Scorpios unravel. Scorpios are not used to having their nonsense called out or even having to play defensive in life when someone comes after them, they are used to always getting their way and no one questioning what they do.

Now on the other hand, take a Gemini like Trump who also has a lot of Leo influence in his chart. Gemini are master communicators, they will spread your dirty laundry but when called out on their hypocrisy, detach from emotions and reason themselves out of anything. I'd say that Tyrion from Game Of Thrones showcases a lot of Gemini traits and ultimately wins in the end.

I feel like Trump will always evade the criticism and be able to ward it off with ease because he doesn't care about what is out there about him. An opponent like Biden will rely on secrecy and no one finding out his dirty secrets, once they do which the election will show, he will unravel and face the same fate Hilary did against Trump.

Ultimately, I think that Obama or someone with a heavy fire sign or air sign chart that thrives in a public image will be the kind of candidate to go well when running against Trump.

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Trumps chart is viewable online at numerous sites
and is validation of observing effects of FIXED STARS

Trump has powerful FIXED STARS conjunct natal chart angles

for example:

Trumps MARS on Ascendant
is ALSO conjunct powerful fixed star REGULUS - THE KINGMAKER

REGULUS RISING WITH MARS = Honor
fame
strong character
as well as
public prominence
and
high military command

Trump is now COMMANDER IN CHIEF of The United States of America


THE FIXED STARS IN NATAL ASTROLOGY http://constellationsofwords.com/cat...atalrobson.htm


SIDEREAL ASTROLOGER Kenneth Bowser correctly in May 2016
predicted a Trump victory http://www.westernsiderealastrology.com/trump-news

Quote:
Originally Posted by dr. farr

The Trump nativity would have been called
"An Imperial Horosocope"
by the court astrologers of the Roman emperors
(prior to the 4th century CE)



CURTIS MANWARING on Trump

'....Donald Trump's ascendant is right on the fixed star Regulus
which is significant for royalty and a tendency to rise in life.
Robert Schmidt of PROJECT HINDSIGHT said many years ago that
the word for angle used in the Hellenistic texts is "kentron"
which has two meanings:
one is to be a center of activity upon which something revolves around
(why it's translated as "pivot" in some cases)
and the other is to operate as a sort of goad

or cattle prod.....' http://www.astrology-x-files.com/x-f...ction2016.html





__________________

*The Trump nativity would have been called "An Imperial Horosocope" by the court astrologers of the Roman emperors (prior to the 4th century CE)*


Have you ever looked at the book "Regulus and the Generals?"
Apparently not.

It brings out quite clearly the following from one of your links (i.e. Constellation of Words)

If Rising: Great honor and wealth, but violence and trouble, sickness, fevers, acute disease, benefits seldom last, favor of the great, victory over enemies and scandal. The 145th Consideration of Guido Bonnets is as follows: -" That thou see in Diurnal Nativities whether Cor Leonis be in the Ascendant, that is to say, in the Oriental Line or above it one degree or below it three degrees; or whether it be in the tenth in like degrees, without the Conjunction or Aspect of any of the Fortunes, for this alone signifies that the Native shall be a person of great note and power, too much exalted, and attain to high preferment and honors, although descended from the meanest parents. And, if any of the Fortunes behold that place also, his glory shall be the more increased; but, if the Nativity be nocturnal, his fortune will be somewhat meaner, but not much; but if the Infortunes cast their aspects there it will still be more mean; but if the Fortunes behold it also they will augment the good promised a fourth part, and mitigate the evil as much; yet still, whatever of all this happens, it signifies that the Native shall die an unhappy death; or at least that all his honors, greatness and power shall at last suffer an eclipse and set in a cloud". [Robson*, p.195.]


I don't know how anyone can strive to be an unbiased astrologer, and MISS this axiom entirely? Rather shocking to me OR perhaps

one who doesn't read ALL the text, not just what "sounds good to fit one's pre-conceptions"


Interesting that Robson mentioned the Eclipse from the 145th Consideration.

As for Scorpio Joe Biden, 12th house Sun opposes the ogre star "Algol"
This star also is rising conjunct both Sun & Venus and opposing Uranus.
People are subject to change, based on their own life's experiences and what they do with them.
I see his unfortunate position of Sun-Venus opp Uranus & Algol as all the sad great losses of loved ones in his life.

I think he's changed and the experiences changed him for the better.

But if not, so what? Its the Democratic Agenda that matters here....not personalities.
But speaking of personalities, as the writer does, I always thought DJT was very likely, either Herod the Great (who died a horrendous painful death)
OR perhaps Nero the Emperor?
He (Herod the Great) also did horrendous evil acts prior to his death based on vengeance towards those he thinks did him wrong.
https://thingspaulandluke.wordpress.com/2018/12/12/...https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZTSB&pc=MOZI&q=how+did+herod+die+under+an+eclipse?#
Dec 12, 2018 · Josephus’ Eclipse Showing Herod’s Death. On the night following the day Herod executed two distinguished rabbis and about 40 of their students there was a lunar eclipse. This is the only eclipse Josephus mentions in his works, and he says Herod died shortly afterward (about two weeks).

leomoon said:

*The Trump nativity would have been called "An Imperial Horosocope" by the court astrologers of the Roman emperors (prior to the 4th century CE)*Have you ever looked at the book "Regulus and the Generals?"Apparently not. It brings out quite clearly the following from one of your links (i.e. Constellation of Words)If Rising: Great honor and wealth, but violence and trouble, sickness, fevers, acute disease, benefits seldom last, favor of the great, victory over enemies and scandal. The 145th Consideration of Guido Bonnets is as follows: -" That thou see in Diurnal Nativities whether Cor Leonis be in the Ascendant, that is to say, in the Oriental Line or above it one degree or below it three degrees; or whether it be in the tenth in like degrees, without the Conjunction or Aspect of any of the Fortunes, for this alone signifies that the Native shall be a person of great note and power, too much exalted, and attain to high preferment and honors, although descended from the meanest parents. And, if any of the Fortunes behold that place also, his glory shall be the more increased; but, if the Nativity be nocturnal, his fortune will be somewhat meaner, but not much; but if the Infortunes cast their aspects there it will still be more mean; but if the Fortunes behold it also they will augment the good promised a fourth part, and mitigate the evil as much; yet still, whatever of all this happens, it signifies that the Native shall die an unhappy death; or at least that all his honors, greatness and power shall at last suffer an eclipse and set in a cloud". [Robson*, p.195.]I don't know how anyone can strive to be an unbiased astrologer, and MISS this axiom entirely? Rather shocking to me OR perhaps one who doesn't read ALL the text, not just what "sounds good to fit one's pre-conceptions" Interesting that Robson mentioned the Eclipse from the 145th Consideration.As for Scorpio Joe Biden, 12th house Sun opposes the ogre star "Algol"
This star also is rising conjunct both Sun & Venus and opposing Uranus.
People are subject to change, based on their own life's experiences and what they do with them.I see his unfortunate position of Sun-Venus opp Uranus & Algol as all the sad great losses of loved ones in his life.I think he's changed and the experiences changed him for the better.But if not, so what? Its the Democratic Agenda that matters here....not personalities.
But speaking of personalities, as the writer does, I always thought DJT was very likely, either Herod the Great (who died a horrendous painful death)
OR perhaps Nero the Emperor?
He (Herod the Great) also did horrendous evil acts prior to his death based on vengeance towards those he thinks did him wrong.
https://thingspaulandluke.wordpress.com/2018/12/12/...
Dec 12, 2018 · Josephus’ Eclipse Showing Herod’s Death. On the night following the day Herod executed two distinguished rabbis and about 40 of their students there was a lunar eclipse. This is the only eclipse Josephus mentions in his works, and he says Herod died shortly afterward (about two weeks).




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A Solar Eclipse conjunct his Moon is extremely fortunate time...he will be shining like a full moon & his personality (Sun) will be highlighted.

He might get awarded the 279 Electoral Votes at that time (which he won already but they denied it) to bring him the re-election win or possibly a decision from the courts which will be in his favour.

I wasn't aware of this upcoming eclipse in Dec & appreciate the posting.

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"......Astrologers must issue their prediction no later than 7am Tuesday November 3rd Eastern Standard Time (EST) or 12:00 noon November 3rd Universal time (UTC) Any prediction issued after the opening of polls in Washington DC will not be included.


Note: The List of astrologers that made a prediction for either candidate is followed by links to articles by astrologers who make interesting commentary on the election without seeking to make a specific forecast. There are also some astrologers who after analysing everything see a lot of factors cancelling each other out making the election too close to call.


TOTAL PREDICTIONS RECORDED TO DATE: 112
Donald Trump Win : 60
Joe Biden Win: 52


Note:
The list includes 24 astrologers who correctly predicted the 2016 Presidential Election.
19 of these astrologers predicted a Trump re-election in 2020.

Only 5 of these astrologers predicted a Biden win in 2020.



http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10982



Prediction on 2020 Presidential Election -2020-Mark Cullen

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11096
Introduction

I am issuing this prediction just before the polls open
in Washington DC for the 2020 US Presidential election
on Tuesday November 3rd 2020.
In large part I just feel I want to put my views on record
whether they are proven correct or not.
I think its important we put our techniques to the test.


Conclusion
Looking at all the astrological testimony
I feel the astrology is consistent with Donald Trump
being re-elected the next President
after a very protracted and controversial process.


The ingress charts and opening of poll chart seem to favour Trump.
On the bigger scale Trump’s strong synastry
to the 2000 Jupiter-Saturn conjunction indicates
he may well be the last hurrah of the earth triplicity Presidencies.

Addendum: Natal chart Controversies
I have found it somewhat surprising
that so many astrologers have accepted the times
of both Joe Biden and Donald Trump as given in Astrodatabank.

Joe Biden
Joe Biden’s chart in particular is only rated A in Astrodatabank ‘...from memory...’
The Astrodatabank source notes state:

''...Marion March quotes Celeste Longacre for 8:30 AM from him
in "...Welcome to the Planet Earth," 4/1987'...'.
So the time given
is not even a direct recollection of the birth time by Biden
given to that astrologer.

I am generally suspicious of birth times without authentication
from a birth chart rounded off to the hour or half hour.
Moreover, I have observed completely contradictory delineations
of Biden’s transits based on the 08.30am time given.
A possibility that has not been given much attention in 2020
is that both camps are in fact wrong
since Biden’s chart could plausibly be earlier or later
than the time given.


I suggested on social media that Biden’s chart
only needed to be 6 minutes earlier than the time given
to be Scorpio rising.
Since then I have encountered two astrologers
who have actually proposed a Scorpio rising chart.
In particular Peter Novak (USA) has rectified the chart
to Scorpio rising with a time of 07.35am
which gives an ASC of 22 Scorpio conjunct Biden’s Mercury.


The traditional astrologer Ehsan Khazeni (Iran)
has proposed a time of 8.05am
placing Biden’s ASC on his sun at 28 Scorpio
conjunct his Sun/Venus conjunction.


Other astrologers have rectified the chart with
a Sagittarius rising chart but proposed different times.
For example the astrologer Alphee Lavoie (USA)
has proposed a time of 09.19am.
This later ASC put Saturn Rx much closer to the DESC in the chart.


Finally, the astrologer Mario Raskovsky (Argentina)
has rectified the chart to closer to the Astrodatabank time
using 08.27am.


On balance I do think think Biden’s ever smiling personality
does seem more consistent with a Sagittarius rising chart.
Equally, his history of gaffs do seem to fit the sign.
But perhaps the crucial point
is which chart delineates the tragedy in Biden’s life
with the loss of his first wife and child in a car crash
and the later death of a son to cancer
and the controversy over his son Hunter Biden.


All this points to a weakened 5th and 7th house ruler.
Using a whole sign approach
this would be consistent with Lord 5 (Mars)
and Lord 7 (Mercury) in the 12th house.


In contrast in a Scorpio rising chart
an exalted Jupiter is Lord 5.
Still, I don’t feel confident that the given time is accurate enough
to work with using techniques like transits
angle progressions or solar or lunar returns.


Donald Trump
While Astrodatabank now simply gives Donald Trump’s chart
an AA status based on a birth certificate
that came to light many astrologers are unconvinced by this time
and use an earlier time.
The argument being that the certificate only really emerged
after the ‘birther’ controversy raised by Donald Trump
questioning the birth certificate of Barack Obama
and whether he was an American citizen.


The earlier time used on Solar Fire was 09.51am.
Astrologers like Bill Meridian still support this time.


Alternatively, the astrologer Alphee Lavoie has proposed
a 10.12am time for Trump.
A completely, different controversy over Trump’s time of birth
is derived from the AA time of 10.54am.


Several astrologers have pointed out that
Trump only needed to be born literally seconds later
to be Virgo rising.


The earliest advocates of this position
are the traditional astrologers Sharon Knight (United Kingdom)
and Steven Birchfield (Norway)
who proposed this in their prediction
Trump would win the 2016 election.

Since then several astrologers have taken up this position.

Amongst several factors Sharon Knight suggests
Trump’s marriage partners are better signified by Jupiter
than Saturn.


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Let us not forget too, Cayce said the time for many births is "off by a few hours" The late Astrologer engineer by the name of John Willner wrote a few books outlining his theories using as a foundation for it, Edgar Cayce's readings:


https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-perfect-horoscope-john-willner/1016976766


The astrologer Edd Falis wrote a lengthy review for this particular book and theory presented, in which he ends with the following,
although others seem more open to it as being more correct.

Unfortunately, Willner died years ago, so we can't really find out his rebuttal argument either. That's sad! (imo)

I've been reading the book "off and on, mostly off" lol for about 15 years now, only recently come back to it last summer for a few days.
It takes that long if you don't like boredom & tediousness of engineering mindsets. (as another quipped) in the reviews.




https://www.amazon.com/John-Willner-ebook/product-reviews/B00AWBQKX8


That said, the book is still a fascinating read with many good ideas, especially that of a spiritual (or astrologically effective)

birth time as distinct from the physical time (which is exactly as vague as he claims).

This quote makes sense to me. - Considering his many public gaffs and horrendous personal losses. Although I haven't yet checked parans to see where Algol might have fallen in his chart and if pertinent/ On the face of it, I can see why he'd choose this one. Yes, the Sun is opposing Algol

the astrologer Mario Raskovsky (Argentina)

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has rectified the chart to closer to the Astrodatabank time
using 08.27am.


On balance I do think think Biden’s ever smiling personality
does seem more consistent with a Sagittarius rising chart.
Equally, his history of gaffs do seem to fit the sign.
But perhaps the crucial point
is which chart delineates the tragedy in Biden’s life
with the loss of his first wife and child in a car crash
and the later death of a son to cancer
and the controversy over his son Hunter Biden.


All this points to a weakened 5th and 7th house ruler.
Using a whole sign approach
this would be consistent with Lord 5 (Mars)
and Lord 7 (Mercury) in the 12th house.

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