A Discussion Thread About Racism in America

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david starling

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eekndyn said:
No david. Apples don't fall from the tree do they? If they were anti abortion david, then why wouldn't her grandson who served as President and still on the board of pp right the wrong?
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You're arguing with what's known from her own writings.

Margaret Sanger was entirely against abortion as an acceptable means of birth control!

That part of her legacy is being betrayed by Planned Parenthood, and from what you say, by her own grandson!
 
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eekndyn

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I am not arguing David. She thought it was sinful for women to have children. Her goal was to prevent women to have children. While also giving women recipes for douches to empty their uterus. We can call a spade a shovel all day David long, fact is its wrong, and I'm still praying for you..
 
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eekndyn

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I do not agree with contraception David as it too sheds the woman's linings. I believe in natural family planning and condoms. There are very few hormonal birth control pills that prevent ovulation. Most methods allow the woman to ovulate and still fertilized the egg but will not implant therefore she spontaneously aborts without knowing otherwise. I don't mind the use of condoms and it prevents a host of diseases.
 
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david starling

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Okay, looking at Planned Parenthood today, without bringing Sanger's philosophy into it, since the organization has clearly broken away from her views in at least one important way (she was anti-abortion, and Planned Parenthood is obviously pro-abortion)), is there any real evidence proving that Planned Parenthood as it is now is a racist organization?
 
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david starling

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Did some research.

60% of Planned Parenthood clinics are in predominantly white neighborhoods

14% of those who used Planned Parenthood services nationwide were black, which is in line with the % population of the U.S.

Of all the services Planned Parenthood provides, about 3% are abortion-related.

There are numerous complaints that Planned Parenthood doesn't have enough "upward mobility", for black employees, which is an endemic injustice across the nation for all large companies, not just this one.
 
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david starling

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All right, I'm now absolutely convinced that the high abortion rate among black women in this country is mostly due to their economic circumstances.

And, that Planned Parenthood is not part of the solution, but neither is it the cause of the problem.

The black population has been subjugated by our economic system more than any other ethnic group except for the indigenous peoples. And, in the case of the black population in particular, THAT'S what's really behind the "thinning out" of its numbers. You can't blame it on abortion, because black women are disproportionately choosing abortion, knowing that they don't have the material resources to raise more children.

Here's a villain of this injustice: Ronald Reagan, for coining the scornful, derogatory term "welfare queen", for women being helped to afford to have more children thanks to government assistance.

And, another villain involved in this injustice: Bill Clinton, who severely reduced government assistance to lower income women with children, AND scuttled the Affirmative Action program, which was beginning to raise the income level of the black population overall.

And, our current President, who has been doing everything in his power to weaken the entire Social-safety-net for the entire country.
 
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eekndyn

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david starling said:
How about Trump tweeting that "While Power" episode on his own golf course?
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Did you see the whole video. Not what the lsm wanted you to see? The protesters at a retirement party mind you, was chanting white power, a nazi and all kinds of rude intolerant comments. All he did was repeat with sacarsm what the protestor was chanting.
 
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david starling

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eekndyn said:
Did you see the whole video. Not what the lsm wanted you to see? The protesters at a retirement party mind you, was chanting white power, a nazi and all kinds of rude intolerant comments. All he did was repeat with sacarsm what the protestor was chanting.
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Knew he'd have some excuse. But, I don't really care, do you?
 
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david starling

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eekndyn said:
I do care. I seen all the clipped video and not a one showed what lead up to that. Of all the videos I've seen not a one shows the full video. It all starts at him repeating a protestor. Do you think that is fair?
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Was the protester yelling "White Power"? The tweet was down before I could see it. I read that it was a defiant response to a protester yelling "racist" at the guy. The picture I saw looked like the golfer wasn't being ironic, more like gleeful.

All right, so Trump posts it, and leaves it up while he's on the golf course with his phone off. Now, he claims that he, himself, hadn't watched the whole thing, so he didn't know about the white supremacist slogan. Yeah, right. :wink:
 
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david starling

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Okay, I watched it. "White Power!' was a response to being called a racist. Was that really appropriate? He didn't sound sarcastic.

Later, Trump praised his followers in their golf carts, without even mentioning the "White Power" retort--which makes it look like he approved of it.

Well, white supremacists are part of his voting block, so he probably did.
 
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JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
By this "logic", if you buy a VW, it's a tribute to Hitler. :andy:
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david starling said:
What part of "MARGARET SANGER FULLY INTENDED TO ELIMINATE ABORTION AS AN ACCEPTABLE MEANS OF BIRTH CONTROL" has Planned Parenthood failed to comprehend??? :smile:
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david starling said:
Do you really equate deliberately "thinning" minority populations using contraceptives,

with using readily available abortions for that purpose?
One isn't "murder" in your estimation , and the other is.
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Dirius said:
David you are defending "thinning" minority populations.

This... I don't even have words to describe how awful and racist your current position is.

Do you even read your own words?

You are literally advocating for population control of the black community.
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david starling said:
The original founder of Planned Parenthood, MARGARET SANGER, was completely ANTI-ABORTION. :smile:
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david starling said:
If Planned Parenthood was following Margaret Sanger's agenda, as is being claimed by Anti-abortionists, then Planned Parenthood would be entirely Anti-abortion.. :smile:
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david starling said:

Sanger was about limiting the numbers of ethnic minorities by limiting their birth-rates without resorting to killing.
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Dirius said:
Exactly david.

Your own words: she wanted to reduce the black population.
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david starling said:
Here's the REAL question: IS Planned Parenthood currently engaged in deliberately thinning out minority populations???

It no longer even matters what Sanger's ORIGINAL intentions were, ESPECIALLY because Planned Parenthood has COMPLETELY ABANDONED Sanger's desire to entirely eliminate abortions as an acceptable means of birth control.
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david starling said:
Okay, looking at Planned Parenthood today,
without bringing Sanger's philosophy into it,
since the organization has clearly broken away from her views

in at least one important way (she was anti-abortion,

and Planned Parenthood is obviously pro-abortion)),
is there any real evidence proving that Planned Parenthood as it is now
is a racist organization?
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IT IS SIGNIFICANT
TO NOTE THAT
PLANNED PARENTHOOD HAS NEVER DISTANCED ITSELF
FROM THE VISION AND IDEOLOGY
OF ITS FOUNDER MARGARET SANGER.

SUCESSIVE PRESIDENTS OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD
HAVE PRAISED MARGARET SANGERS WORK

including Faye Wattleton
who said
"...As we celebrate the 100th birthday of Margaret Sanger
our courageous leader
we should be very proud of what we are and what our mission is.

It is a very grand mission; abortion is only the tip of the iceberg...." :smile:


Through a slick media campaign and effective sloganeering
Planned Parenthood painted abortion as a compassionate
 and caring alternative to childbirth
Their motivation however may be altogether different
International Planned Parenthood is a primary advocate for
the Chinese Government's policy
of forcing women to have abortions against their will
and it also advocates for the
sterilization of Third World non-Whites across the globe.

clearly
Planned Parenthood is "..pro-choice.." when trying to impress
the U.S. media
but anti-choice
in the actual implementation of its world-wide agenda.


david starling said:
All right, I'm now absolutely convinced that the high abortion rate among black women in this country is mostly due to their economic circumstances.

And, that Planned Parenthood is not part of the solution, but neither is it the cause of the problem.

The black population has been subjugated by our economic system more than any other ethnic group except for the indigenous peoples. And, in the case of the black population in particular, THAT'S what's really behind the "thinning out" of its numbers. You can't blame it on abortion, because black women are disproportionately choosing abortion, knowing that they don't have the material resources to raise more children.

Here's a villain of this injustice: Ronald Reagan, for coining the scornful, derogatory term "welfare queen", for women being helped to afford to have more children thanks to government assistance.

And, another villain involved in this injustice: Bill Clinton, who severely reduced government assistance to lower income women with children, AND scuttled the Affirmative Action program, which was beginning to raise the income level of the black population overall.

And, our current President, who has been doing everything in his power to weaken the entire Social-safety-net for the entire country.
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Margaret Sanger used deception and propaganda to fool the black population :smile:
into believing that she and her movement were working toward helping them
although her talk about them was disconcerting
and of a racist bent.

On the Sanger Blacks Project,
MARGARET SANGER SAID:

“.....The most successful educational approach to the blacks
is through a religious appeal.

We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the black population

and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea
if it ever occurs to their more rebellious members.”
(Gordon, Woman’s Body Woman’s Right, p.332).


The above quote speaks of Margaret Sanger’s desires, wishes
or maybe just irresponsible, cruel, passing thoughts
about eliminating a whole people.

Many who have long studied her
believe that she meant those words “to exterminate”
as describing a plan she had.
however, some mysteriously say
she did not mean it that way
when she spoke the word “exterminate.”
At the very least it is highly suspect
as to why she would ever choose a word like “exterminate”
for communicating what was on her mind
about a whole race of people for any reason!

It seems to her pro-abortion cohorts
that no speech is off limits
and every horrid sounding blurb was just an accidental gaffe
no matter how incredulous, extremely racist and hateful it sounds.

In reference to black people having diverse opinions
or in parting from what she wishes for
MARGARET SANGER boldly calls those potential opinions “rebellious,”
giving the impression that they
as blacks, are not allowed to exercise freedom of thought. :smile:

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david starling

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JUPITERASC said:
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IT IS SIGNIFICANT
TO NOTE THAT
PLANNED PARENTHOOD HAS NEVER DISTANCED ITSELF
FROM THE VISION AND IDEOLOGY
OF ITS FOUNDER MARGARET SANGER.

SUCESSIVE PRESIDENTS OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD
HAVE PRAISED MARGARET SANGERS WORK

including Faye Wattleton
who said
"...As we celebrate the 100th birthday of Margaret Sanger
our courageous leader
we should be very proud of what we are and what our mission is.

It is a very grand mission; abortion is only the tip of the iceberg...." :smile:


Through a slick media campaign and effective sloganeering
Planned Parenthood painted abortion as a compassionate
 and caring alternative to childbirth
Their motivation however may be altogether different
International Planned Parenthood is a primary advocate for
the Chinese Government's policy
of forcing women to have abortions against their will
and it also advocates for the
sterilization of Third World non-Whites across the globe.

clearly
Planned Parenthood is "..pro-choice.." when trying to impress
the U.S. media
but anti-choice
in the actual implementation of its world-wide agenda.




Margaret Sanger used deception and propaganda to fool the black population :smile:
into believing that she and her movement were working toward helping them
although her talk about them was disconcerting
and of a racist bent.

On the Sanger Blacks Project,
MARGARET SANGER SAID:

“.....The most successful educational approach to the blacks
is through a religious appeal.

We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the black population

and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea
if it ever occurs to their more rebellious members.”
(Gordon, Woman’s Body Woman’s Right, p.332).


The above quote speaks of Margaret Sanger’s desires, wishes
or maybe just irresponsible, cruel, passing thoughts
about eliminating a whole people.

Many who have long studied her
believe that she meant those words “to exterminate”
as describing a plan she had.
however, some mysteriously say
she did not mean it that way
when she spoke the word “exterminate.”
At the very least it is highly suspect
as to why she would ever choose a word like “exterminate”
for communicating what was on her mind
about a whole race of people for any reason!

It seems to her pro-abortion cohorts
that no speech is off limits
and every horrid sounding blurb was just an accidental gaffe
no matter how incredulous, extremely racist and hateful it sounds.

In reference to black people having diverse opinions
or in parting from what she wishes for
MARGARET SANGER boldly calls those potential opinions “rebellious,”
giving the impression that they
as blacks, are not allowed to exercise freedom of thought. :smile:

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She obviously meant that she didn't want false rumors "going out".

IF she had said she didn't want it "getting out", now that would have been the damning statement you're wishing it was.

HUGE difference between encouraging black women to voluntarily have fewer children, and "extermination"!
 
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JUPITERASC

JUPITERASC

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david starling said:
She obviously meant that she didn't want false rumors "going out".

IF she had said she didn't want it "getting out", now that would have been the damning statement you're wishing it was.

HUGE difference between encouraging black women to voluntarily have fewer children, and "extermination"!
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Margaret Sanger used deception and propaganda to fool the black population :smile:
into believing that she and her movement were working toward helping them
although her talk about them was disconcerting
and of a racist bent.
Many who have long studied her
believe that she meant those words “to exterminate”
as describing a plan she had.
however, some mysteriously say
she did not mean it that way
when she spoke the word “exterminate.”
At the very least it is highly suspect
as to why she would ever choose a word like “exterminate”
for communicating what was on her mind
about a whole race of people for any reason!

It seems to her pro-abortion cohorts
that no speech is off limits
and every horrid sounding blurb was just an accidental gaffe
no matter how incredulous, extremely racist and hateful it sounds.

In reference to black people having diverse opinions
or in parting from what she wishes for
MARGARET SANGER boldly calls those potential opinions “rebellious,”
giving the impression that they
as blacks, are not allowed to exercise freedom of thought.



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Dirius

Dirius

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david starling said:
Margaret Sanger was a true rarity among secular humanists: She actually believed that abortion was equivalent to infanticide!
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Took me some time to reply, because I wanted to read her whole bibliography. Got done half so far.

Yes she considered abortion infanticide, but didn't see it as something "bad". She saw it as the natural way women would use to control reproduction in ancient times. She sees abortion as an extention of these practices. She is also in favour of abortion in certain circumstances, and does not condem abortion altogether.

She is against the medical complications a woman may suffer from abortion, rather than the act of killing a child. Lets remember these were the 1930 were abortions were much more dangerous than they are now.

From her book Women and the New Race (chapter 10, page 122):

"The question society must answer is this: Shall family limitation be achieved through birth control or abortion? Shall normal, safe, effective contraceptives be employed, or shall we continue to force women to the abnormal, often dangerous surgical operation?"
 
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david starling

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Dirius said:
Took me some time to reply, because I wanted to read her whole bibliography. Got done half so far.

Yes she considered abortion infanticide, but didn't see it as something "bad". She saw it as the natural way women would use to control reproduction in ancient times. She sees abortion as an extention of these practices. She is also in favour of abortion in certain circumstances, and does not condem abortion altogether.

She is against the medical complications a woman may suffer from abortion, rather than the act of killing a child. Lets remember these were the 1930 were abortions were much more dangerous than they are now.

From her book Women and the New Race (chapter 10, page 122):

"The question society must answer is this: Shall family limitation be achieved through birth control or abortion? Shall normal, safe, effective contraceptives be employed, or shall we continue to force women to the abnormal, often dangerous surgical operation?"
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Uh uh. She called it "primitive", and "brutal". She thought we should be beyond that sort of behavior. She equated it with infanticide, which is after a child is born, with no danger to the mother's health.

I can understand the reluctance to admit that a secular humanist could possibly be an actual anti-abortionist, but, that's what she was. What circumstances did she consider justified an abortion?

You can still legitimately vilify her for her racist and elitist views on eugenics, though.
 
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