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Of course it does. You don't go against family, and you don't cause yourself trouble with family members. Much less in public. Behind closed doors, maybe. But the article is clearly wanting people to argue on the issue in public settings such as facebook or twitter.

Doing that not only leads to infighting, but also leads to public targeting of your own family.

Family is family Osa. It is a sacred thing. Disagreements are resolved one on one behind closed doors. Never in public. Never through social media.

And here is the thing, when I called out the BLM movement, I did mention in their website they are against the "nuclear family". This is just part of it. Breaking up the family in the name of ideology is part of their political agenda. Turn children against parents, brother against brother, etc.

Old poem from my country:

Los hermanos sean unidos esa es la ley primera,
Que tengan union verdadera en cualquier tiempo que sea,
por que si entre ellos pelean, los devoran los de afuera.
Dirius, I think you previously alluded to cultural differences in how you view family and how Americans seem to.

I'll try to put this in perspective. I have two adult children. I have always loved them dearly, but when they were young, of course I had to correct them and sometimes discipline them. Disciplining a child is done out of love, so that s/he is capable of becoming a mature adult. A parent of a misbehaving child cannot always wait until they are in a private setting to say something like, "Stop hitting your sister!" (We have a loving relationship now.)

We have an English saying, "Blood is thicker than water." I had a number of times in my past when I thought my siblings and parents had done inexcusable things. I was tempted to cut off communication. We don't have to condone family members' actions to continue a family relationship with them.

Some families are too dysfunctional to be sustained through a silence that only favors the perpetrator. Childhood victims of abuse by family members need to be able to speak out and to reclaim their sanity. This is especially true re: childhood sexual abuse. Silence is what allows the abuser to continue the abuse, or to molest multiple children.

Then it's a two-way street. Surely Osamenor's aunt would bear some responsibility for not offending family members, knowing how divided the US is on political issues today.

We don't dishonor people through honesty. Rather, in being honest re: sometimes painful subjects, we show that we think they are big people with big shoulders (metaphorically,) not emotional weaklings.

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The moment Trump declared his intention to run for the presidency, half your country began targeting him and attacking him. The entire media conglomerate went after him.

He is not the one dividing people.
Of course he is, and Trump has had a particularly cozy relationship with Fox News, a major MSM conglomerate.
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Another example: New Zealand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Econom...nd#Rogernomics


The Fourth Labour Goverment elected in July 1984, moved away from government intervention in the economy and allowed free market mechanisms to dominate. These reforms became known as "Rogernomics", named after minister of finance from 1984 to 1988, Roger Douglas. The changes included making the Reserve Bank independent of political decisions; performance contracts for senior civil servants; public sector finance reform based on accrual accounting; tax neutrality; subsidy-free agriculture; and industry-neutral competition regulation. Government subsidies including agricultural subsidies were eliminated; import regulations were loosened up; the exchange rate was floated; and controls on interest rates, wages, and prices were removed; and personal rates of taxation were reduced. Tight monetary policy and major efforts to reduce the government budget deficits brought the inflation rate down from an annual rate of more than 18% in 1987. The deregulation of government-owned enterprises in the 1980s and 1990s reduced government's role in the economy and permitted the retirement of some public debt.


a) GDP per capita https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zea...per-capita-ppp

b) New Zealand unemployment rate: https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zea...mployment-rate


c) Debt to gdp ratio: https://tradingeconomics.com/new-zea...nt-debt-to-gdp

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Of course he is, and Trump has had a particularly cozy relationship with Fox News, a major MSM conglomerate.
Yeah Dirius, Fox News is part of "the media conglomerate".

The Great Divider has one friend in the mainstream news business.
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If you are not fullfilling the needs of the market, then you are not making a profit waybread - so I'm not sure what is the intention of the answer.
It was to show that you made an unsupportable statement.

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The second half of your post is a strawman - but I will answer nonetheless: No one forces people to purchase unhealthy products. No one even forces you to purchase anything, or work in an unsafe environment.

You are free to buy what you like, or don't depend on the market and live in the woods, grow your own food or craft your own products, like many people do.
Dirius, I wonder what kind of fairy tale world you inhabit. Surely your economics class included concepts of monopoly and oligopoly where consumer choice is limited. In the United States, people talk about "food deserts," where there are no real supermarkets and the only food choices are from the corner convenience store. Advertising can convince consumers that products are safe when they are not.(The tobacco industry being a major culprit here until their ads were banned.)

You seem to believe that workers have unlimited choices of jobs. This is not correct. Look at their qualifications and circumstances. That single mother may have to take any part-time job she can find that allows her to get her children to and from school. A 55-year old coal miner who once made good money cannot simply move into high tech when the mine closes.

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1) Child labour has existed since the dawn of time. I don't support it. I'm just stating this was the way of life in countries like India or China before the arrival of "evil corporations".
If you don't condone it, then don't be a cheerleader for a raw capitalist system that downloads it into poor countries. We're not talking about kids growing up on the family farm. We're talking about little girls in India kneeling on wet concrete floors, peeling shrimp that get shipped off as hors d'oevres for western consumers. We're talking about kids working in unhealthy garment factories in Bangla Desh, hunched over sewing machines for 10, 11 hours per day.


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Truth is most people in those countries are better off than they were 50 years ago. They do earn more money. A lot of people in these countries have come out of poverty by applying capitalist measures.

What you are doing is ignoring history to make your argument. Which is absurd.
Well, define "better off"-- for whom? The poorer countries tend to have major income disparities between rich and poor, where income and capital accumulate in the hands of the few. Little girls glueing running shoes together and inhaling toxic fumes arguably are not better off.

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You think people were better off before capitalism arrived. They were not.
Where did I say this? I don't recall espousing mercantilism or feudalism.

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2) We have one of the highest rates of income disparity because we have endured 70 years of socialism (called "Peronism").

Because we:
- Have an effective tax rate of 65%.
- About 35% of the population works for the state or gets money from government

- We have about 30% inflation rate annually (thanks to central banking).
- Price control set by the government.
- National industry

The 1% is mostly populated by families with ties to politics.
Scandinavian countries also have high tax rates, but without your level of income disparity. If people are employed by the government, living above the poverty level, then they presumably are not contributing to the high rate of income disparity.

The other points you mention, like cronyism or failure to control inflation, are not the fault of a socialist form of government per se.
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It was to show that you made an unsupportable statement.
I didn't you are simply choosing to make a strawman argument to come up with some form of response.

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Dirius, I wonder what kind of fairy tale world you inhabit. Surely your economics class included concepts of monopoly and oligopoly where consumer choice is limited. In the United States, people talk about "food deserts," where there are no real supermarkets and the only food choices are from the corner convenience store. Advertising can convince consumers that products are safe when they are not.(The tobacco industry being a major culprit here until their ads were banned.)

You seem to believe that workers have unlimited choices of jobs. This is not correct. Look at their qualifications and circumstances. That single mother may have to take any part-time job she can find that allows her to get her children to and from school. A 55-year old coal miner who once made good money cannot simply move into high tech when the mine closes.
The example of "food" desserts is due to lack of economic development, not the other way around so again, another strawman.

People have a choice to believe in advertising, just like they choose to believe in the news, or politicians.

A single mother limits her options because of her own choices: of having a kid. Thats not anyone elses fault, nor the fact that she has to spend time caring for him.

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If you don't condone it, then don't be a cheerleader for a raw capitalist system that downloads it into poor countries. We're not talking about kids growing up on the family farm. We're talking about little girls in India kneeling on wet concrete floors, peeling shrimp that get shipped off as hors d'oevres for western consumers. We're talking about kids working in unhealthy garment factories in Bangla Desh, hunched over sewing machines for 10, 11 hours per day.

Well, define "better off"-- for whom? The poorer countries tend to have major income disparities between rich and poor, where income and capital accumulate in the hands of the few. Little girls glueing running shoes together and inhaling toxic fumes arguably are not better off.
And they used to do that before capitalism arrived, when they were covered in cow dung plowing the fields and tending for the animals, transporting water from rivers to the household, etc., as they did for 2000 years.

Diference is they now earn more money than they used to and can actually afford better things, better technology, and sometimes the parents can now provide them with an education.


Slowly the economic growth allows better conditions, better salaries, better education.


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Scandinavian countries also have high tax rates, but without your level of income disparity. If people are employed by the government, living above the poverty level, then they presumably are not contributing to the high rate of income disparity.

The other points you mention, like cronyism or failure to control inflation, are not the fault of a socialist government per se.
Scandinavian countries are among the top countries in economic freedoms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...onomic_freedom

They have some social policies, but they are by far, free market economies.

In my country most government jobs pay equal or more than wages in the economic sector. We have a term for this called "ñoqui" (from italian food gnocchi) which refers to people employed by the government who do nothing but earn a salary because of party affiliation.

We don't have much cronysm here, not many companies can survive in the long run here. It is 100% the government interference in the economy.

High inflation is the result of dealing with a fiscal deficit, which is used to pay for social programs or goverment jobs. Massive debt is the other symptom.

Using Argentina as an example was a bad choice on your part waybread, for two reasons:

a) It is a socialist country any way you look at it.
b) You clearly know nothing of the region.
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Dirius, it's getting late in my time zone, so I'll have to get back to corporate tax havens and their income inequality tomorrow.

As a taxpayer in two countries, I'm not sticking up for the tax man here. But as someone with a social conscience I also think that we need to pay our dues to the human race. I've always had the ethos that with privilege comes responsibilities.

Just a (cough, ahem) historical note on the nuclear family. It's kind of a historical fiction, promoted in the 1950s, that a two-parent family with a few children was the norm.

In historical and cross-cultural comparison, however, we find all kinds of family patterns normed, depending upon the culture.

In fact, aristocratic English people in the Victorian era spent little time raising their children, who were looked after by nannies, governesses or tutors, and elite boarding schools. Wealthy women hired a wet nurse. In medieval times, upper class boys were given to the father's relatives or friend to be raised-- and instructed in the manly arts of war. Poor boys were equally removed from their birth families to become apprentices or servants.

In many parts of the world, extended families were normal. In some places, polygamy was the norm. And so on.

I agree with Osamenor that the current idea is to expand one's thinking about responsibility and community. I can't say this for sure, but it may also come from a desire to heal from dysfunctional families in some cases.
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Dirius, it's getting late in my time zone, so I'll have to get back to corporate tax havens and their income inequality tomorrow.

As a taxpayer in two countries, I'm not sticking up for the tax man here. But as someone with a social conscience I also think that we need to pay our dues to the human race. I've always had the ethos that with privilege comes responsibilities.
Yeah yeah, we know facts destroy your argument. Good night.

Here is an idea.

Why don't you apply your social conscience to your own pocket, and leave others decide what they want to do with their money for themselves?
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Just a (cough, ahem) historical note on the nuclear family. It's kind of a historical fiction, promoted in the 1950s, that a two-parent family with a few children was the norm.

In historical and cross-cultural comparison, however, we find all kinds of family patterns normed, depending upon the culture.

In fact, aristocratic English people in the Victorian era spent little time raising their children, who were looked after by nannies, governesses or tutors, and elite boarding schools. Wealthy women hired a wet nurse. In medieval times, upper class boys were given to the father's relatives or friend to be raised-- and instructed in the manly arts of war. Poor boys were equally removed from their birth families to become apprentices or servants.

In many parts of the world, extended families were normal. In some places, polygamy was the norm. And so on.

I agree with Osamenor that the current idea is to expand one's thinking about responsibility and community. I can't say this for sure, but it may also come from a desire to heal from dysfunctional families in some cases.
Its funny how all of those examples are about "aristocratic" people who were like 2% of any given population at most.

Majority of "normal" people, who were not "aristocrats" or "nobility" and worked for a living, the families were composed by a father, a mother, and their children. A nuclear family. Extended families always contribute to nuclear families, but they are always tied by blood or marriage.

This was true for ancient Rome, the european middle-ages, and the other continents of the world, etc. Poligamy was exclusive for nobles and kings. Normal folk couldn't support more than one wife which made it very rare.

What you have written in the last few posts isn't consistent with history.
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Final point which I'll adress seperately.

Income inequality, which you mention over and over, a common talking point by socialists, is a myth. It doesn't matter whether someone else is making more money than others, as long as everyone else is doing well.

Wealth isn't limited. There isn't a "pie" from which you get your share. Wealth is created and is unlimited. Other people having more money than you does not have an impact in your life.
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Final point which I'll adress seperately.

Income inequality, which you mention over and over, a common talking point by socialists, is a myth. It doesn't matter whether someone else is making more money than others, as long as everyone else is doing well.

Wealth isn't limited. There isn't a "pie" from which you get your share. Wealth is created and is unlimited. Other people having more money than you does not have an impact in your life.
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So who wrote this originally, AppLeo?

Was this person a mother of actual children? Be thankful your mom didn't operate according to these principles when she changed your diapers and kept you safe.
Wow, your response is shockingly pitiful.

I thought you were genuinely curious to discuss a proper code of morality, but after your response, it's obvious to me that you don't. Why did you even bother asking me?

Not only did you completely disregard the virtues that I passionately believed in (which actually kind of hurt my feelings), but you didn't even explain which virtues were good or bad and how they were good or bad. Honesty and Integrity, specifically, are highly valued universally, so I'm really quite confused how you assume the unimportance of them for a mother.

You also committed some kind of logical fallacy – resorting to insult and evasion instead of providing a logical argument....

What's still worse is that you didn't even provide an alternative list of virtues. If my prime list of virtues can't even align with something as basic as diaper changing, then we've got a real problem! I must be missing an important piece! A piece you utterly failed to provide me after pointing out something crucial.

I also don't understand why you chose to focus in on motherhood. My virtues were meant to apply to everyone, mother or not. If motherhood is somehow worth focusing on, I can challenge that by providing 2 other things that are just as important.

What's funny and ironic is I think you are one of the very people that I'm talking about when the country fails to align its politics with a clear and logical code of ethics.

Someone puts out an idea, something that can hopefully put us on track and your response is to completely evade it and ask who really came up with it? Who cares who's words they really are. That's not what matters. What matters is if it's right or wrong.

If you're going to reject an idea outright based on who said it, then that is another logical fallacy. It's also a logical fallacy to assume that someone's ideas are wrong because they aren't a mother. And it's also a logical fallacy to assume that someone's ideas are right because they are a mother.
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Its funny how all of those examples are about "aristocratic" people who were like 2% of any given population at most.

Majority of "normal" people, who were not "aristocrats" or "nobility" and worked for a living, the families were composed by a father, a mother, and their children. A nuclear family. Extended families always contribute to nuclear families, but they are always tied by blood or marriage.

This was true for ancient Rome, the european middle-ages, and the other continents of the world, etc. Poligamy was exclusive for nobles and kings. Normal folk couldn't support more than one wife which made it very rare.

What you have written in the last few posts isn't consistent with history.
I don't want to steer away from the topic, but ancient Greece and Rome had laws that forbade polygyny, probably due to issues of passing inheritance or maybe cultural and religious taboos. As far as I know they did allow men to have concubines, which are similar to wives but with a lesser right of inheritance given to their children (as common in oriental cultures). It can easily be shown that the Bible never forbids a man to have multiple wives or concubines if he can support them, and that forbidding polygyny entered Christianity and later Judaism through outside sources. The man-made law of absolute monogamy obviously has caused adulteries, divorces, unhappy lives and deters millions of Africans and Muslims from believing the gospel. It can also be utilized when women outnumber men after war or in certain religious groups where only intramarriage is allowed.

''According to the Demographic and Health Surveys carried out between 2000 and 2010, in 26 out of the 35 countries with data on polygamy, between 10 per cent and 53 per cent of women aged 15-49 had co-wives.'' - https://www.un.org/en/development/de...cts_2011-1.pdf
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...1) Child labour has existed since the dawn of time. I don't support it. I'm just stating this was the way of life in countries like India or China before the arrival of "evil corporations"...
Study a bit of History and how teaching children vocational skills to continue their family's legacy in olden times was fairly different from what the colonial masters turned that into and encouraged it more by purpose-fully impoverishing their colonies, taking away their raw materials, taxing indigenously produced goods, even natural substances like salt and cotton by sending that to London, and then selling it back to India for instance. With Africa, it was the same story.

As to Child Labour:
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/re...abor/argentina

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/re...labor/colombia

http://www.ipsnews.net/2018/05/child...latin-america/

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Study a bit of History and how teaching children vocational skills to continue their family's legacy in olden times was fairly different from what the colonial masters turned that into and encouraged it more by purpose-fully impoverishing their colonies, taking away their raw materials, taxing indigenously produced goods, even natural substances like salt and cotton by sending that to London, and then selling it back to India for instance. With Africa, it was the same story.

As to Child Labour:
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/re...abor/argentina

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/ilab/re...labor/colombia

http://www.ipsnews.net/2018/05/child...latin-america/

https://www.aft.org/community/child-...nited%20States.
Aquarius do you even understand what you write down? Because you just made a statement advocating for capitalism

One of your examples is "taxation of indigenous goods".

You do realise taxation is an action from the government - not from the private market, and thus has nothing to do with capitalism?

Capitalist system is against government interference through taxes.

Then you talk about how goods were forced to be transfered to London and then sold in India. This is not free market.
If the government tells you where and when you can sell, that isn't capitalism. You continue advocating for capitalism here.

Your example is actually advocating for capitalism and free market, not the other way around. Your own post is a massive redpill and I'm loving it. I'm not sure if your intention was to agree with me, but every single example you gave makes my point much stronger.

What you are describing is mercantilism, the system which was replaced by capitalism because of the very reasons you highlighted.

So thanks I suppose

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I don't want to steer away from the topic, but ancient Greece and Rome had laws that forbade polygyny, probably due to issues of passing inheritance or maybe cultural and religious taboos. As far as I know they did allow men to have concubines, which are similar to wives but with a lesser right of inheritance given to their children (as common in oriental cultures). It can easily be shown that the Bible never forbids a man to have multiple wives or concubines if he can support them, and that forbidding polygyny entered Christianity and later Judaism through outside sources. The man-made law of absolute monogamy obviously has caused adulteries, divorces, unhappy lives and deters millions of Africans and Muslims from believing the gospel. It can also be utilized when women outnumber men after war or in certain religious groups where only intramarriage is allowed.

''According to the Demographic and Health Surveys carried out between 2000 and 2010, in 26 out of the 35 countries with data on polygamy, between 10 per cent and 53 per cent of women aged 15-49 had co-wives.'' - https://www.un.org/en/development/de...cts_2011-1.pdf
There are obviously exceptions, and each area has a different history, population size and customs.

However on a world-wide scale, polygamy was rarely the norm for most people. Particularly in what we would call the "west" due to roman expansion.

Both Japan and China for example, have solid historical records, and evidence suggests that while multiple wives and concubines where allowed, this existed mostly for upper class nobility - not the common man.
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There is a diference between what we consider "childhood" today than what we did 200 years ago and beyond.
For example we now consider anything under 18 a minor. A 15 year old person in the 1800's was considered an adult. In the ancient times, 13 year olds were considered adults.

Children have done all manner of horrible labours since the dawn of time. Child soldiers were not uncommon. Blaming capitalism for this evil is just historical innacuracy.

Children have suffered throughout history. Diference is most children used to work in rural areas, rather than urban cities, which made child labour "invisible" from most of society until it was exposed during the industrial era.

Chinese kid in 1944, before "capitalism" arrived in China.

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Back on thread, is Osa's aunt living in a polygamist arrangement in New Zealand?


Not unless there's something she's REALLY not telling me!

Seriously, everyone, I don't mind some digression, and I participated a little myself, but let's not turn this whole thread into a political debate. Talking about how to respectfully have these debates with loved ones, and where the lines are between reasonable differences of opinion and actual harm, in today's political climate, is more along the lines of what I intended, and where I hope we'll keep this, more or less.
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Reminds me of what a man from Galilee said, 2000 years ago:

"If anyone comes to Me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters--yes, even their own life--such a person cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)

Or in a slightly milder version:
"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me."
(Matthew 10:37)
Oh, that long haired radical socialist Jew!

(But I digress. Just for entertainment purposes.)
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I find it interesting that the 3 original founders of BLM are women. Seems like all of the other Civil Rights movements were started by men.
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Aquarius do you even understand what you write down?
Dear Dirius, I very well understand what I write in the context I write it in, except that you have the very bad habit of misconstruing things and pulling them out of context, and it seems more and more to me to attack others Like the article I posted the other day, which you did not even care to read (your post prove it) and twisted it to attack me calling it a BLM-Marxist example. Or like the Horary thread about the cop killing floyd, where you could not stop hounding me post after post after post unrelentingly asserting your viewpoint on me. Let me not take the limelight just to myself because I see others that constantly are subjects of your attacks also- whether you call them "dishonest" or whathever.

Dirius, do you understand that that is what one calls bullying? As is the below in quotes a perfect example of bullying. You do it diligently though and it seems you have been escaping the admin on this forum, which normally is great at taking down posts - when they find them 'provocative'. It does not surprise me one bit that you are completely infatuated with Trump

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Dirius, do you realise that even in small-sized fonts you can bully very adeptly? It is normally people that lack proficient knowledge on a subject matter, but want to come across as highly knowledgeable that resort to bullying and a condescending tone.

Here is another perfect example - just in case you missed it
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I find it interesting that the 3 original founders of BLM are women. Seems like all of the other Civil Rights movements were started by men.
Not the women's movement.

And in all other civil rights movements, men got the credit, but that doesn't necessarily mean they were the founders. Usually, the women behind it were erased.
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Not the women's movement.

And in all other civil rights movements, men got the credit, but that doesn't necessarily mean they were the founders. Usually, the women behind it were erased.
Yes, I definitely should have narrowed it down to "Black-oriented" Civil Rights movements .
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Dear Dirius, I very well understand what I write in the context I write it in, except that you have the very bad habit of misconstruing things and pulling them out of context, and it seems more and more to me to attack others Like the article I posted the other day, which you did not even care to read (your post prove it) and twisted it to attack me calling it a BLM-Marxist example. Or like the Horary thread about the cop killing floyd, where you could not stop hounding me post after post after post unrelentingly asserting your viewpoint on me. Let me not take the limelight just to myself because I see others that constantly are subjects of your attacks also- whether you call them "dishonest" or whathever.

Dirius, do you understand that that is what one calls bullying? As is the below in quotes a perfect example of bullying. You do it diligently though and it seems you have been escaping the admin on this forum, which normally is great at taking down posts - when they find them 'provocative'. It does not surprise me one bit that you are completely infatuated with Trump

Dirius, do you realise that even in small-sized fonts you can bully very adeptly? It is normally people that lack proficient knowledge on a subject matter, but want to come across as highly knowledgeable that resort to bullying and a condescending tone.

Here is another perfect example - just in case you missed it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6XdpDOH1JA
If you knew what you were talking about you would provide an argument, not an emotional outburst. You confuse mercantilism with capitalism.

Capitalism is against high taxation or market control, thus your example isn't describing capitalism at all honey.

In fact your post is advocating for capitalism

I like the new red-pilled aquarius7000 even if you don't realise you are defending capitalism.
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You sure did not understand the context one bit.
You took some words out in isolation, made them (mis)fit your own fixation of capitalism, which has nothing to do with the context and content of the post, and gave it a completely different twist to suit your own ideology and trying to show that I support it too.
You actually once again prove just the points I made about how you 1) misconstrue what people say, and 2) bully people by repeating the misconstrued matter and putting words into people’s mouths (like you are repeatedly say I advocate capitalism).

That makes for pretty destructive discussions and is very offputting because all that is, is bullying others and provoking them into a back and forth. Yet another perfect example and thank you again for proving what I said. Yet another post and example.
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Capitalism is against high taxation or market control, thus your example isn't describing capitalism at all honey.

In fact your post is advocating for capitalism

I like the new red-pilled aquarius7000 even if you don't realise you are defending capitalism.
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