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[david starling]

Well, maybe you don't know some things. Here's some more information:

They are locked up, serving life sentences without the possibility of parole.

Most of the families of their victims had already forgiven them.

He was NOT required by law to kill them. No President is required to do that. Trump went out of his way to get permission from the U.S. Supreme Court in order to be able to begin the executions.

He hand-picked the inmates, and chose the execution-dates.

[david starling]

Sun Conj Saturn in exactly 12 hours.

[david starling]

Sun/Saturn conjunction is happen'n!

[Bunraku]

For Mercury to even “joy” in the first house you need to be using whole signs.

In quadrant houses Mercury can’t straddle the ASC (entering and leaving the underworld) without it jumping to the 12th, which is a decline and in Saturn’s joy instead.

[david starling]

Originally Posted by Bunraku

For Mercury to even “joy” in the first house you need to be using whole signs.

In quadrant houses Mercury can’t straddle the ASC (entering and leaving the underworld) without it jumping to the 12th, which is a decline and in Saturn’s joy instead.

Mercury entered the Underworld in service to Pluto.

What House do you think Pluto joys in?

[leomoon]

Originally Posted by david starling

Well, maybe you don't know some things. Here's some more information:

They are locked up, serving life sentences without the possibility of parole.

Most of the families of their victims had already forgiven them.

He was NOT required by law to kill them. No President is required to do that. Trump went out of his way to get permission from the U.S. Supreme Court in order to be able to begin the executions.

He hand-picked the inmates, and chose the execution-dates.

Imagine this. These souls have astral bodies which will be in his presence when he crosses over. I'd not want to be HIM for all the billions in the world.

[Cold Fusion]

When did democracy become purely an us vs them thing?

[david starling]

Originally Posted by Cold Fusion

When did democracy become purely an us vs them thing?

It has that potential. Way back, it led to the Civil War, but it's not as dire now.

There was a lot of it in the 1950s and 60s, mostly because of the Cold War, and the Civil Rights movement.

[passiflora]

I have really enjoyed this Sun-Saturn so far, it has been really useful. Maybe it’s the union of opposites?

[david starling]

Originally Posted by passiflora

I have really enjoyed this Sun-Saturn so far, it has been really useful. Maybe it’s the union of opposites?

Maybe Saturn's more fun when it's lit!

[david starling]

Next up, Sun/Jupiter conjunction on the 28th.

[Ukpoohbear]

Originally Posted by passiflora

I have way better success with horary for MYSELF when it is something really, really important, not one in a series of things that together would be important. But I can answer the latter questions for others to some extent, and they can sometimes do so for me. There are rules for horary which kind of help tell the difference.
There’s still the OMG WHAT is going to happen to me in 7 units panic.
Cards just lie to your face. Unless there are rules I missed.

I’ve experimented with it myself although I do agree that asking the chart one, important, meditated on question works the best. Im not against asking more impulsive questions almost in like a daily reading type way, or questions that are not meditated in, and I think horary still works, but it is probably more an event chart.

Tarot is a funny mistress. She has the reputation of lying and being malevolent but I don’t understand why. We are asking the question from the same ‘source’ so the technique shouldn’t prevent that. Everything leads back to it. Source is pure. But I have found a more structured reading works best so you have a plan of what cards you are going to ask before asking the question. If you do it more impulsively, then I can see where she has the reputation for being tricky because it’s feeding your own psyche back to you. A bit like an event chart.

After all this experimenting, sometimes it’s easier to just stick to the rules after all. It’s just more practical. But experimenting with the source is important because I don’t understand what source is, how it works and it’s very presumptuous when people get adamant the source can only be used when certain man-made rules are followed.

[Ukpoohbear]

Originally Posted by david starling

Maybe Saturn's more fun when it's lit!

[passiflora]

Hmm, maybe it’s about being respectful of the energies with tarot, similar to what I mentioned with horary - definitely I haven’t been doing a real meditation before working with cards for myself (though I do for others, ha!) and there’s monkey mind in the way.

Horary is full of Trad and neo-trad based interpretive rules that I would NEVER apply in natal chart interpretation so it really is a kind of test tube science experiment for me. Not easily translatable to real world. Partly I see the strictures against judgment as similar to the universe winking, just because you want to know doesn’t mean you get to.

[Dirius]

Originally Posted by passiflora

Horary is full of Trad and neo-trad based interpretive rules that I would NEVER apply in natal chart interpretation so it really is a kind of test tube science experiment for me. Not easily translatable to real world.

It is harder to do so with natal, but does work wonders. For example, most people usually disregard a planetary aspect's dexter/sinister position relation - but there is info to be gained from it, both in Horary and Natal.

[CapAquaPis]

In my natal chart, the sidereal ASC is 22' Gemini (in tropical, 17' Cancer) and my true node is 2'-3' Leo vs 29' Leo in tropical. They are malefic degrees about death, disease, impairment and inability/disability. This is a concern when the ongoing covid pandemic and my recent experience here in southern CA with the biggest spike to date in the US, now the number of daily cases are in a decline.

[Ukpoohbear]

Originally Posted by passiflora

Hmm, maybe it’s about being respectful of the energies with tarot, similar to what I mentioned with horary - definitely I haven’t been doing a real meditation before working with cards for myself (though I do for others, ha!) and there’s monkey mind in the way.

Horary is full of Trad and neo-trad based interpretive rules that I would NEVER apply in natal chart interpretation so it really is a kind of test tube science experiment for me. Not easily translatable to real world. Partly I see the strictures against judgment as similar to the universe winking, just because you want to know doesn’t mean you get to.

I don’t do an actual meditation either before asking questions but wait for that ‘a ha’ moment. It’s probably easier reading for other people because it’s easier to know when their question is formulated in your mind and then it’s time to ask. It’s more organic and long term when formulating it privately and some ‘a ha’ moments are brighter than others but doesn’t make it any less important.

I would choose to avoid using the word ‘respect’ when thinking about how to use horary but only because it brings up connotations of religious rules or could be misinterpreted to allowing people to become judgemental/conservative about it.

I think the word ‘intent’ works better even if it has the same meaning.

[Ukpoohbear]

I had a common cold for a few weeks after catching a chill walking in the cold a couple of times. It was weird and lingering. Now all 3 of my cats have a cold. They sneeze and the sinus is blocked. You can see sniffles on their whiskers and they are acting quiet. I didn’t know cats could get colds.

[Bunraku]

Originally Posted by david starling

Mercury entered the Underworld in service to Pluto.

What House do you think Pluto joys in?

At least he had enough respect for the president and Melania of the underworld. What can you say towards your attitude towards Trump?

[david starling]

Originally Posted by Bunraku

At least he had enough respect for the president and Melania of the underworld. What can you say towards your attitude towards Trump?

I hadn't thought of Trump.as an incarnation of Pluto. Veeery interesting!

That would make Melania a Queen, like Cleopatra.

Also, that she's devoted to him, as in a daughter/father relationship.

[Bunraku]

Originally Posted by david starling

I hadn't thought of Trump.as an incarnation of Pluto. Veeery interesting!

That would make Melania a Queen, like Cleopatra.

Also, that she's devoted to him, as in a daughter/father relationship.

This is truly heartwarming
This made my evening!

[passiflora]

Originally Posted by Ukpoohbear

I would choose to avoid using the word ‘respect’ when thinking about how to use horary but only because it brings up connotations of religious rules or could be misinterpreted to allowing people to become judgemental/conservative about it.

I think the word ‘intent’ works better even if it has the same meaning.

Yeah, I hear you and normally have been of the same opinion, with no interest in bowing to pedantic or heartless gods. Using “respect” feels like a differentiating feature and offers a boundary between my consciousness, say, and the spirit of the tool.

[leomoon]

My late mother, a very wise woman, (Sun in Sagittarius Moon in Libra with Scorpio Rising) also had a Kesari Yoga (a Buddha type of mindset or soul) -



She taught my sister and I, "UNTIL it happens to YOU personally you never really can empathize" (she didn't say in which lifetime of course), but just the idea that empathy is learned I suppose.


This teaching didn't fall on deaf ears with me. I know all her points of wisdom by rote now.


This particular one of learning for the soul is so apropos for Michael Pence, the VP under DJT today.


According to Republican blaster, Joe Scarborough (himself a conservative Republican they'd call a RINO today), blasted DJT today the same as he does most days but with more vehemence then usual.


It was over Mike Pence, VP. He says that Pence and his family now have to move "house to house" to escape the assassins that Trump's mob have vowed to complete.


https://www.rawstory.com/mike-pence-..._campaign=6443


The YouTube of Scarborough blasting him: (* IF you can tolerate Scarborough that is.)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssI2...ature=youtu.be

[leomoon]

Question (Regarding my last post above this one) -


DID Mike Pence learn from this experience? He said nothing negative about Trump as Trump harmed others all these past 4 years and trump lied his way though those years. Do you think Mike Pence will learn now what this man truly is? He certainly isn't ignoring the hate now because it's inflicted on him and his.

[Ukpoohbear]

It dawned on me last night that America may have just lost its democracy but was too consumed of its hatred for Trump to notice or even care.