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Unread 07-08-2020, 12:16 PM
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Black Lives Matter, Marxist?

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Na, BLM is just a marxists movement trying to cause chaos, which ironically is hurting their image even more, making them seem like petty activists. Outside the twitterverse, no one agrees with BLM.
EXACTLY. I was just about to reply and I saw you already explained it, and much better than I could.

Watching Portland and Seattle and DC, shows me it is no longer about George Floyd, or even police brutality anymore. It is a large orchestrated, but rag tag group of anarchists and agitators, that move from 'opportunity' to opportunity, in order to wreak havoc and create chaos. They want to destabilise our country and they are doing a good job so far. Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto colliding in Capricorn is giving them a strong push forward, unfortunately.

[Moved posts 1-3 in this thread from another one, so as to let the debate happen without turning into a hijack. Tried to make the new title match the intention. - Moderator]

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Na, BLM is just a marxists movement trying to cause chaos, which ironically is hurting their image even more, making them seem like petty activists. Outside the twitterverse, no one agrees with BLM.
Dirius, I don't think you intended your comment to be racist. Please read up on the history of the Black Lives Matter movement, as well as the previous history of violence against innocent African Americans. It may be hard to get a good read from outside the US, especially among right-wing media outlets.

A recent poll by the respected Pew Research Center found that a 2/3 majority of Americans support the goals of the Black Lives Matter movement.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020...tter-movement/
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Dirius, I don't think you intended your comment to be racist. Please read up on the history of the Black Lives Matter movement, as well as the previous history of violence against innocent African Americans. It may be hard to get a good read from outside the US, especially among right-wing media outlets.

A recent poll by the respected Pew Research Center found that a 2/3 majority of Americans support the goals of the Black Lives Matter movement.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2020...tter-movement/

Please explain how my comment was "racist".
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Dirius, after you've done your homework on Black Lives Matter and the history of the oppression of American Americans in the US, let's talk.

Start with the survey that I linked on Osamenor's thread.

People who think the Black Lives Matter movement is Marxist also need to do some homework on Marxism.

Just for starters, it is not the same as anarchy.
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Dirius, after you've done your homework on Black Lives Matter and the history of the oppression of American Americans in the US, let's talk.

Start with the survey that I linked on Osamenor's thread.

People who think the Black Lives Matter movement is Marxist also need to do some homework on Marxism.

Just for starters, it is not the same as anarchy.

So you can't explain why my statement was "racist" then huh? Thought it should be easy, but it seems you can't.

It is a marxist movement. The leadership of BLM has said so already. Its not some hidden presumption or theory, it is how they have openly described their organisation.
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If any black person makes a negative comment abousst BLM they are called an 'Uncle Tom' and if any white person calls them out for the marxist group that they are they are called racist. Soon, the world will realize what their true agenda is and it's not about saving Black Lives but promoting their violent, marxist revolution. Children were killed at their protests and no comment from them or sympathy for the black people killed in their riots and looting. They are violent thugs.

Don Lemon and Terry Crews have heated discussion over Black Lives Matter movement.

On June 30, Crews sparked controversy with a tweet the read: "If you are a child of God, you are my brother and sister. I have family of every race, creed and ideology. We must ensure #blacklivesmatter doesn’t morph into #blacklivesbetter."

Crews moved into talking about the rise in “Black-on-Black” gun violence, including violence that had left nine children dead in Chicago since June 20, according to The New York Times. He criticized BLM by saying, “The Black Lives Matter movement has said nothing about this. Black people need to hold other Black people accountable.”


As Crews tries to say more, Lemon's audio overpowers him again.

Earlier in the interview, Crews explained why he thinks his stance is important.

"I wanted to bring up the fact that there are some very, very militant type-forces in Black Lives Matter and what I was issuing was a warning," he said. "I've been a part of different groups, I've been a part of different things and you see how extremes can go far … and when you issue a warning and a warning is seen as detrimental to the movement, how can you ever have checks and balances?"

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So you can't explain why my statement was "racist" then huh? Thought it should be easy, but it seems you can't.

It is a marxist movement. The leadership of BLM has said so already. Its not some hidden presumption or theory, it is how they have openly described their organisation.
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So you can't explain why my statement was "racist" then huh? Thought it should be easy, but it seems you can't.

It is a marxist movement. The leadership of BLM has said so already. Its not some hidden presumption or theory, it is how they have openly described their organisation.
Yes, I can explain it, easily, to someone who is knowledgeable about the history of violence and prejudice against African Americans. We don't need to go back to the history of slavery. Try the past 20 or so years. But if you're not willing to educate yourself, it's not worth it to me to spend pages infilling you on the background. You're apparently unwilling to read links that would help to educate you, let along to do your own homework.

The Black Lives Matter movement is grassroots. It has no official organization that speaks for all of its supporters. you can find websites that claim to be official, complete with T-shirt sales. It doesn't have this level of centralization however.

Please link your source on the Marxist ideology of the movement.

Somehow you cannot believe that outrage is a spontaneous response to white-on Black police brutality. You have to link it to an ideology that you discredit.

While you're doing your homework, please read up on the Straw Man debate fallacy.
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Unread 07-09-2020, 03:53 PM
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They should be classified as a terror organization and the F.B.I. are looking into this. Their leaders have called themselves 'trained marxists'.
You would know this if you studied the movement and their agenda.
You need to do some homework yourself before they come and burn your city down and destroy black-owned businesses and kill black police officers.

The Agenda of Black Lives Matter Is Far Different From the Slogan

Companies that don’t do this hard work are providing air cover for a destructive movement and compelling their employees, shareowners and customers to endorse the same. Just ask BLM leaders Alicia Garza, Patrisse Cullors and Opal TometiIn a revealing 2015 interview, Cullors said, “Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers. We are trained Marxists.” That same year, Tometi was hobnobbing with Venezuela’s Marxist dictator Nicolás Maduro, of whose regime she wrote: “In these last 17 years, we have witnessed the Bolivarian Revolution champion participatory democracy and construct a fair, transparent election system recognized as among the best in the world.”

The president of Greater New York Black Lives Matter said that if the movement fails to achieve meaningful change during nationwide protests over George Floyd’s killing by Minneapolis police officers, it will “burn down this system.”
“If this country doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. All right? And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It’s a matter of interpretation,”

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear-family-structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another.”

A partner organization, the Movement for Black Lives, or M4BL, calls for abolishing all police and all prisons. It also calls for a “progressive restructuring of tax codes at the local, state and federal levels to ensure a radical and sustainable redistribution of wealth.”

The group’s radical Marxist agenda would supplant the basic building block of society—the family—with the state and destroy the economic system that has lifted more people from poverty than any other. Black lives, and all lives, would be harmed.

Theirs is a blueprint for misery, not justice. It must be rejected.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/




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Dirius, after you've done your homework on Black Lives Matter and the history of the oppression of American Americans in the US, let's talk.

Start with the survey that I linked on Osamenor's thread.

People who think the Black Lives Matter movement is Marxist also need to do some homework on Marxism.

Just for starters, it is not the same as anarchy.
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Re: Aunt on Facebook

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Dirius, after you've done your homework on Black Lives Matter and the history of the oppression of American Americans in the US, let's talk.

Start with the survey that I linked on Osamenor's thread.

People who think the Black Lives Matter movement is Marxist also need to do some homework on Marxism.

Just for starters, it is not the same as anarchy.

Thank you. I don’t know why non-Americans like to comment on these issues when people here literally live it. Europeans live in more ethnically homogenous societies so maybe they do not understand.

I’m not super left or liberal, but even I can see that the treatment of black people has always been brutal. I’m just saying these things happen and are not reported or talked about, and they tend to happen close to you. Family members being part of KKK, or your black friend that just mysteriously disappeared overnight, etc. It’s not just theoretical news about marxism or “red pills” or whatever.
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D@mn you are on it. I was going to just post about Susan. Hats off to you
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Racist are in every race.. it is still used in the melatonin community. Almost a sign of endearment. Its infiltrated in music and culture.
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A wise man by the name of Morgan freeman said, the only way to get rid of racism is to stop talking about. Its not systematic. Its not a privilege, its about work ethic.
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A wise man by the name of Morgan freeman said, the only way to get rid of racism is to stop talking about. Its not systematic. Its not a privilege, its about work ethic.
Morgan Freeman made it, so, so what about everyone else? Same with Kanye West.

It's like, "Stop whining. I've got mine, who cares about you?"

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Lovin' that "big, beautiful, solid, wall made of concrete all along the border" that Mexico was more than happy to pay for? Uh
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Lovin' that "big, beautiful, solid, wall made of concrete all along the border" that Mexico was more than happy to pay for? Uh
You should like it too.

"We thought the border wall was a bad, racist idea," said Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. "But then this light bulb turned on over my head. It was actually just a light bulb though, not an actual idea, which was disappointing. But that got me thinking about trying to have an idea. And I got an idea: when we switch to socialism, everyone's gonna try to run away. But what if there's a big, solid object along the border? Then they can't run away. I mean, they could try to climb, but we could shoot them."
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Could you muster up and give Trump credit?
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Could you muster up and give Trump credit?
Yes, he's bringing all these long suppressed and denied racial issues out into the open by pandering to the White Supremacists. Seems counterintuitive, but it will help to resolve them in the long run, after he's no longer in office.
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I don't consider Groucho, Harpo, or Chico to be in any way involved with the ideology of Black Lives Matter!
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Yes, he's bringing all these long suppressed and denied racial issues out into the open by pandering to the White Supremacists. Seems counterintuitive, but it will help to resolve them in the long run, after he's no longer in office.
Where do you get this white supremacist nonsense? Please do tell.
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Where do you get this white supremacist nonsense? Please do tell.
Looked up how many out-front Supremacists, some of them prominent, are avid Trump supporters. And now Trump avidly defending the public display of Confederate icons and criticizing NASCAR for banning Confederate flags at its events. Also, the overall membership of WS groups is up by 50+ percent.
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Here's some of them:

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I did enjoy the laugh.

Ny has a 400% upsurge of police putting in for retirement. I don't blame them one bit.

With a 212% increase in crime
With the mass influx of guns purchased by the blm movement.

Acting like uncivilized being. The media is not showing what is truly going on.

Cute how the Canadian police were able to appease young ones with gadorade and candy. Thats not happening here. The amount of disrespect these officers receive here is insane. There are far more good cops then bads ones. All the nonsense is happening in cities and states with democrat leaders who have an agenda. Not acting like adults.
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eekndyn,

Are you familiar with the fallacy of over-generalization? You've given some classic examples.

Are you not alarmed by all of the white supremacists who own guns? The Gun Rights crowd in the US are predominantly white, are they not?

Who's uncivilized? Is a white mob somehow more civilized than a peaceful demonstration spearheaded by Black people?

The police officer didn't "appease young ones." Rather, it was an attempt to show a human face for a profession the girls might have known little about.

I'd say you condone behavior among white people that terrifies you among people of color.

How many white people here have been routinely stopped by police on minimum or no pretext, like getting into your car, walking up to your front door, or otherwise minding your own business?
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Are you familiar with the fallacy of over-generalization? You've given some classic examples.

Are you not alarmed by all of the white supremacists who own guns? The Gun Rights crowd in the US are predominantly white, are they not?

Who's uncivilized? Is a white mob somehow more civilized than a peaceful demonstration spearheaded by Black people?

The police officer didn't "appease young ones." Rather, it was an attempt to show a human face for a profession the girls might have known little about.

I'd say you condone behavior among white people that terrifies you among people of color.

How many white people here have been routinely stopped by police on minimum or no pretext, like getting into your car, walking up to your front door, or otherwise minding your own business?
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