waybread
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Skillcoil, of course you could find 9th house people who are as spiritual as a post.
This house includes religion in the more conventional organized sense, as well as philosophy and prophecy. This traditional house of "journeys over water", in my mind, relates to things that expand one's horizons--be it through literal overseas travel, developing a life philosophy, or higher education. I think you always have to look at how any 9th house planets and the ruler of the 9th are aspected. A traditional astrologer would use other measures to assess these planets' condition.
It is so important to look at the horoscope as a whole, and to think about what is ruled by the different planets, signs, and houses.
If we do a tour through the Dalai Lama's chart and start with the 9th house, we find Saturn there as the most elevated planet. In organized religions, Saturn indicates religious authority figures like the pope, the head of a Protestant church, or well, the Dalai Lama. Saturn trines Jupiter, another indicator of religion. If we look at both traditional and modern rulers of his 9th house, we see Saturn in the 9th--a kind of reinforcement--and Uranus conjunct his part of fortune sextiling Saturn. Also, the Dalai Lama's Jupiter house (the 5th) is ruled by Jupiter. More reinforcement. The 5th house, among other meanings, is the fun house--anyone who has seen the Dalai Lama on television knows he is often laughing and happy-looking.
Then if we look more at the mysticism side of spirituality, we find a big kite formation pointing to Neptune/moon in the 3rd house of thought and communication, and involving trines between the sun, Jupiter, and Saturn.
I could continue on this way, but I think you can see how a cookbook might lead one to think that Saturn in the 9th indicates a non-religious person, but once you start unpacking the chart you can see how much really fits with the Dalai Lama's unique role in life.
HeyPlayGirl, although I don't think spirituality is restricted to a few key cookbook indicators, we can see how the 8th house might play a role. This house deals with death but in astrology's cyclical sense of time. In modern astrology it includes the "occult"--probably in the sense of hidden mysteries. One of the most interesting charts I saw with an 8th house emphasis was of a registered nurse who did hospice work.
Mother Teresa's chart, posted above, shows precisely this kind of emphasis. She worked extensively with dying street people in Calcutta. She has a 9th house Jupiter conjunct her MC, sun novile Jupiter, Jupiter as her chart-ruler and ruler of her 12th house, and moon sextile Neptune. Her 8th house emphasis is entirely appropriate for her work with the dying.
This house includes religion in the more conventional organized sense, as well as philosophy and prophecy. This traditional house of "journeys over water", in my mind, relates to things that expand one's horizons--be it through literal overseas travel, developing a life philosophy, or higher education. I think you always have to look at how any 9th house planets and the ruler of the 9th are aspected. A traditional astrologer would use other measures to assess these planets' condition.
It is so important to look at the horoscope as a whole, and to think about what is ruled by the different planets, signs, and houses.
If we do a tour through the Dalai Lama's chart and start with the 9th house, we find Saturn there as the most elevated planet. In organized religions, Saturn indicates religious authority figures like the pope, the head of a Protestant church, or well, the Dalai Lama. Saturn trines Jupiter, another indicator of religion. If we look at both traditional and modern rulers of his 9th house, we see Saturn in the 9th--a kind of reinforcement--and Uranus conjunct his part of fortune sextiling Saturn. Also, the Dalai Lama's Jupiter house (the 5th) is ruled by Jupiter. More reinforcement. The 5th house, among other meanings, is the fun house--anyone who has seen the Dalai Lama on television knows he is often laughing and happy-looking.
Then if we look more at the mysticism side of spirituality, we find a big kite formation pointing to Neptune/moon in the 3rd house of thought and communication, and involving trines between the sun, Jupiter, and Saturn.
I could continue on this way, but I think you can see how a cookbook might lead one to think that Saturn in the 9th indicates a non-religious person, but once you start unpacking the chart you can see how much really fits with the Dalai Lama's unique role in life.
HeyPlayGirl, although I don't think spirituality is restricted to a few key cookbook indicators, we can see how the 8th house might play a role. This house deals with death but in astrology's cyclical sense of time. In modern astrology it includes the "occult"--probably in the sense of hidden mysteries. One of the most interesting charts I saw with an 8th house emphasis was of a registered nurse who did hospice work.
Mother Teresa's chart, posted above, shows precisely this kind of emphasis. She worked extensively with dying street people in Calcutta. She has a 9th house Jupiter conjunct her MC, sun novile Jupiter, Jupiter as her chart-ruler and ruler of her 12th house, and moon sextile Neptune. Her 8th house emphasis is entirely appropriate for her work with the dying.
to me this sort of says the natal chart would not express spiritual awakening so much as an expansion.
The same thing goes for names, numbers etc. But for some reason it seems pointless to rely on this all the time. You need to live and develop the rest of the system. You need your left brain too