The difference between men and women

And rarely am I with The Ram, but I have to say he's spot on about men having various strengths that dominate women and women can have different set of strengths that can outlast men.

The fact is, women and men are different and there's nothing chauvinistic about admitting the reality there's huge differences not just physically and physiologically, but also mentally, emotionally, and everything else between men and women. The confusion has to do the fact that polar opposites of Venus (women) and Mars (men) have to co-exist in the same world but because there's different structures/foundations there's also different expectations and expressions.

I'm not a feminist, but it would be wrong to say I'm chauvinistic. Well, ok, I don't really care what people think of me. They can think incorrectly about me all they want if it makes them feel better, but blurring the lines between masculine and feminine only serves to be even more confusing and adds more to unattractiveness and unhappiness between the sexes. The reason why we as humans have existed so dang long is due to admitting to the elephant in the room. Why is it that the traditional mindframe have lasted so long and have had tremendous success in not only survival but thriving beyond the caves and dark ages? It's really because men dominated the scene.

So now, for the first time in pretty much, ever, women are trying to dominate the scene and guess what's happening? Women not only are trying to act like men, but most look like men which is very unattractive, but royally messing up everything. Thanks to feminism, rampant divorces and broken families are now ok, children not raised and protected by their fathers is ok, no one having responsibilities except the government ruling over everyone's lives is ok; there's no structure anymore. Men are being punished when they act like men and pushed to the background. Women acting psycho because want to badly be elevated to be equal to men. Well no wonder the population is dying down. Men are running away from the vague androgynous women who are now no longer real women, not in appearance, and not in behavior either. Men would rather withdraw and are doing that in large numbers rather than give in. As a result, a lot of feminine women like myself, who are all too happy to be in the supportive role get lumped in with the rotten feminazis.

Fine. Burn all the romance stories and try to destroy all the traditional notions of love/romance, but along with it dies the traditional relations between men and women. And last I checked, women need men like men need women. And although it's true that technically, women can do anything men can (except father children), such as work, make decisions, be fearless, etc., women are disconnected from the way men operate when they work, make decisions, be fearless, etc. Admitting that women have limitations compared to men is not chauvinistic, it's just how it is.

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The Ram said:

.....I agree with everything you just said.

I'd also like to add that men are to blame as well. I notice that men today are way more feminine than ever before. It's like when the joker asked the mob bosses "where are your balls?" he may as well have said it to most of the men of north america. Men today are really passive agressive and metro. I think that's part of why todays women are becoming so masculine, they simply don't respect the men anymore.

My dads 20 years older than my mom so I guess I'm one of the luckier ones because my dad is from that generation where the men were still very masculine, hard and the silent type. Like a John Wayne. He was a tyrant at times and he really indimidated me growing up but I'm glad now I had someone with a spine raise me. Because now I'm much more masculine than most of my peers.

TBH I think the whole feminist movement was really started by the obscenely wealthy who control the world. Before feminism a man could work a normal job and provide well for his family while his wife stayed home and raised the kids. Ever since feminism the've essentially halfed the average wage. So nowadays unless one person has a really good job both parents have to work. And who raises the kids? the media and television.

The media is ******* up too. Strong husbands and father figures are a dying breed on television. I remember characters like the father on little house on the prairie or the dad from the waltons. They were real men. Now it seems like the men from how I met your mother are becoming common place: Completely emasculated buffoons who's wives wear the pants in the relationships.

This is why marriages are eroding in north america. The idea of marriage is almost a joke now. Marriages used to last, they used to work and they used to mean something. They worked because they used to be between a man and a woman. Now genderlines are so blurred that the concept has completely lost it's original meaning.

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That's EXACTLY the problem!! Yes, women have become masculinized and men have become feminized to promote that there's "no such thing as structure/boundaries." Well, feminists and collectivist theories can keep shoving that cr@p down the pipes and the corrupted media can keep promoting all that bull but the people who are more aware will know that mentality is poisonous and anti-life. Look at all the nasty loose, baggy masculine fashions for women that makes them look ugly and shapeless. Women are suppose to have luxurious curvy forms which is feminine and meant to attract men. Men are being told that only skinny boyish looking women are the ones that should be sought after. I see so many guys fall into that media trap in LA and they're still trying to get feminine looking chicks like me, but on the side. It pisses me off so much. Men are being told that it's ok to wear make-up and tight skinny jeans. Ummm... what?! That makes zero sense!

The gender shift and androgyny does not promote having a real relationship because relationships only work then there are clearly defined boundaries and conscious decisions. How can people who do not have clearly defined identities have any chance to function properly in a real relationship? The equation is all messed up.

I love John Wayne!! He's a Gemini Sun with Cap Mars. My father will turn 60 soon and I've talked about his flaws (for astrological illustrations) in the forum fairly often. I love him very much, despite him being psycho towards my mother. And even then, my father is still a real man. He financially took care of me and my mother, took jobs far away, missed us and wanted us to be near him but dealt with separation for years because my mother didn't want to relocate but he kept the jobs because it paid him well and he was being the provider that he's supposed to be. He made sacrifices at 23 that most males now even at 40 would NEVER fathom. He was the one that taught me to curtsy. He always bought dresses and skirts for me when I was little. He never said he loved me until a few years but I always knew because of everything he's done for me. My mother (she's 56) always said that my father is real man, took risks, did what he had to do and never asked for validation. He just knew what to do and how to do it and if it was wrong, he'd drop it. He never whined nor cried or felt sorry for himself (and he had a very rough life). Just watching my father and the relationship between my parents were so clearly defined, there was never ever any doubt in my mind what role I had being born a female when I become a wife and mother (my mother was not servile to my father, he just wanted to make sure he is the man in the family and he was).

Yes, the economic factor is very important, if not the essence behind the drastic shift. You are partially correct. The feminist movement wasn't created by the wealthy to control the world, it was created by Communists wanted to control people and they knew that in order to destroy America, which stands for freedom, is to destroy the patriarchal morality and family foundation. If you destroy the masculinity of men who serve as the protector of his family and his homeland, you can destroy the society- take out the father/husband/man of the equation and render him useless, you can then attack everything else since the moral foundation would be compromised. The Feminine Mystique was written by a hardcore Communist who disguised herself by saying she's a "feminist" and promote "women's liberation" from "masculine enslavement" or something to that effect. The goal of Communists is destroy freedom and enslave others by way of destroying the economy (because we all know, money is freedom) and the ones who control money use to be very strong men. Now, more than ever, there are more women big earners. The power has shifted...

There's a video documentary that talks about the history of feminism and how it's tied to communism (because that's where it comes from) that I can send to you. You might be interested to watch it... but it might further enrage you. It sure as heck enraged me, and I already knew about it!!

In order to have clearly defined roles in relationships, there needs to be clearly defined roles in society in general. That's the only way structures and values can be widely enforced.

I like cooking and know how to wing it. I have Taurus Mars in 8th and Pisces Moon in 6th and I suspect having feminine Moon and Mars could be related to being open and even have love of domestic stuff. Granted, I hate cleaning. After working and dealing with my clients, I sure as heck don't wanna vacuum, do several loads of laundry, and wipe down the bathroom and all that.

My best friend is Gemini Sun with Venus-Mars conjunction in Aries in 3rd and Cancer Moon in 6th and she use to NOT be able to cook at all. She learned how to cook a few years after she had her daughter but now her kiddo cooks much better than her.

I use come over and cook dinner for me and her when we went to college and she said her mother never cooked for the family and she didn't know how to cook. She strangely knew how to bake pretty well because her mother would bake. I'm not into baking stuff since I'm not into sweets. Her daughter is nearly 12 years old and knows how to cook extremely well. My goddaughter is a regular chef! She's Cap Sun-Moon conjunction (icy) in 4th, Pisces Mars in 6th house.

Is Yin and Yang off balance=disharmony

I am very happy to be the Yin energy only that many men I met are totally girls...I have Mars parallel Pluto so that is a bit hard to overpower my will/power/fighter in me.

1st Virgo Mars ruler of 8th in natal is exalted by Moon from 5th house, also mutual reception with Mercury in Scorpio. Actually representing my physical strength, mental strength, the generative power. Pluto is placed in 2nd house for placidus or whole sign as 0 degrees 11 in 3rd house. I often feel I can be a better man than most men which is kind of sad...

I'm going to say what I've observed.

Earth and Water Mars people are a bit more tolerant of the "less glamorous" aspects of life such as mundane cooking, cleaning, work, etc. I think if you combine the feminine Mars with feminine Moon, you'd get someone who's going to be more in touch with their feminine energy...esp. if that's what a girl has.

To counter too much feminine energy for a male, he can have either Mars or Moon in a masculine sign and the other in feminine and still be open to household duties. If a female has one feminine planet in either Moon or Mars, she would be open to doing some traditional duties. If both are masculine in male, I would think he lacks patience for such mundane areas of life. If both are masculine in female, I would think she would totally go against the grain and have difficulties embracing her yin side.

My father is Libra Mars and Aqua Moon. My father NEVER EVER helped my mother with any household tasks. He doesn't help his current wife with that either. He works and brings home the bacon and both my mom and his current wife fry it up.

Being that I have Earth Mars and water Moon, I really like other Earth and Water Mars people when I encounter them because they usually understand what the heck I'm ranting about...and I rant about just normal, common sense stuff that people tend to be devoid of!!!

poyi said:

Is Yin and Yang off balance=disharmony

I am very happy to be the Yin energy only that many men I met are totally girls...I have Mars parallel Pluto so that is a bit hard to overpower my will/power/fighter in me.

1st Virgo Mars ruler of 8th in natal is exalted by Moon from 5th house, also mutual reception with Mercury in Scorpio. Actually representing my physical strength, mental strength, the generative power. Pluto is placed in 2nd house for placidus or whole sign as 0 degrees 11 in 3rd house. I often feel I can be a better man than most men which is kind of sad...

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I totally agree with you. My chart is has 7 out of 10 planets in yang signs and I can totally out Man most dudes. I have better manners, I open doors for people, I say please and thank you, I smile to others, and treat others well. I'm duty bound and I like doing practical things for others. I also am very assertive and will defend others (if I think they're right) and I stand up for myself. I'm not afraid squabble and just keep real.

A lot of guys now are into acting like little b*tches and I hate that.

You are very right about the earth energy. Even the general cookbook talks about how ambitious Mars and Pluto conjunction can be. The configuration of being as Earth Mars and exalted by Earth Moon. I understand the game/manipulation (Mercury in Scorpio) the power driven people played, if I wish I could play better then them. But then I am more into the simple things in life.

Honestly, I have many chances to take over other people, seeing their faults and motives with more than enough evidences and ability to ruin/destroy their entire life/reputation, but I don't see the point of it and keep that power to myself but obvious enough to show them I knew what they did and doing, which is more positive and better manifestation of Mars Pluto.

I must not be ambitious at all because I have Mars inconjunct Pluto. But to my credit, the ruler of my 10th and MC is the Moon and my Moon is located in the 6th and trines Mars. I am very, very good at maintaining day to day operations. I'm a personal assistant and I love it!! It really takes someone with emotional depth to deal with others on a personal basis.

may28gemini said:

I must not be ambitious at all because I have Mars inconjunct Pluto. But to my credit, the ruler of my 10th and MC is the Moon and my Moon is located in the 6th and trines Mars. I am very, very good at maintaining day to day operations. I'm a personal assistant and I love it!! It really takes someone with emotional depth to deal with others on a personal basis.

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This link does say you can make people feel thread by your power which you mentioned in the past.

http://www.astrologyanswer.com/plan...o-in-discordant-aspect-inconjunct-semisextile

I think the Mars parallel Pluto even in feminine signs given me a lot of masculine energy. From the same website, this link described me very very well. For the negative side, I often keep myself in checks to make sure I will go to the negative path, well my way of controlling myself!

http://www.astrologyanswer.com/planets/mars/aspects/mars-in-conjunction-with-pluto

http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/marsplutoaspects.html

The condition of Mars in a female chart is either her masculine side of herself or the type of man in her life.

My mother has Virgo Mars conjunct Leo Pluto. Not sure if I could say she was "ambitious" but she definitely was a pretty strong player in the corporate world.

Aside from that, she has feminine Mars and Moon and she was fine being a stay at home mom and wife for many years. When I got older, and I cooked for myself and could do a lot of things unsupervised (like 9 yrs old), she entered the workforce full time. She enjoyed it and accelerated very fast. She even went to work full-time and did her Master's and still had to time to send me off to a bunch of activities and slumber parties.

may28gemini said:

My mother has Virgo Mars conjunct Leo Pluto. Not sure if I could say she was "ambitious" but she definitely was a pretty strong player in the corporate world.

Aside from that, she has feminine Mars and Moon and she was fine being a stay at home mom and wife for many years. When I got older, and I cooked for myself and could do a lot of things unsupervised (like 9 yrs old), she entered the workforce full time. She enjoyed it and accelerated very fast. She even went to work full-time and did her Master's and still had to time to send me off to a bunch of activities and slumber parties.

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Yep I think Mars Pluto aspect enhanced a lot of determination and will power to achieve goals as well as power.

I do have Neptune square Mars so that has weaken it a bit instead it may be more of a psychic power since Jupiter also parallel Neptune, vertex axis, moon node axis, MC/IC. I was told by other on this configuration may give me ability to influence other through my words, thoughts and through dreams

I don't see myself to be greatly successful with my public/career not at this stage anyway. I am very happily at home doing personal things. Perhaps what I wanted is not what the world/society can offer me.

poyi said:

Yep I think Mars Pluto aspect enhanced a lot of determination and will power to achieve goals as well as power.

I do have Neptune square Mars so that has weaken it a bit instead it may be more of a psychic power since Jupiter also parallel Neptune, vertex axis, moon node axis, MC/IC. I was told by other on this configuration may give me ability to influence other through my words, thoughts and through dreams

I don't see myself to be greatly successful with my public/career not at this stage anyway. I am very happily at home doing personal things. Perhaps what I wanted is not what the world/society can offer me.

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Yeah, Mars to Neptune actually dilutes Mars' ability to function in the concrete world (esp. Earth Mars). You do have psychic gifts which are immaterial things that Neptune gave you.

My father has Air Mars in 6th (Mars' joy) and it's part of his Grand Air Kite. My mother has Earth Mars conjunct Pluto.

And they both gave me my supercharged Earth (my mother) Mars which gets trine from Air (my father) Jupiter and Saturn and opposition Water (my father) Uranus. I have a pretty explosive Mars... given the fact that it's in Taurus can be pretty **** slow and prone to laziness. Not me. I live for action (and after that, I like taking a long break!)!!

That's precisely why feminism and communism are in bed together and why I am against any socialist ideas. It stands for dilution of structure and boundaries in favor of irrational, animalistic behavior. We as humans are biologically animals but we differ because we do not live and make decisions based upon instincts. We make decisions based upon reason and utilize our brains. We made it out of the caves because we created society and created laws, morality, and values; codes/guidelines to live by.

And for the record, if it were not for capitalism (where anyone can go out and create wealth), less males would be able to mate- it breaks up the harem monopoly. Females are programmed to be hypergamic because females are physically weaker and reliant on a more strong mate for protection. If only a few males are naturally strong and attractive, he would collect all the available females to own them. The ability for any male to freely accumulate wealth allows women to be free from not only having to compete with other women for 1 man, but for her to be on a more equal standing with her mate.

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Subordination hasn't played out too well in America's history, as the rights movements of minorities have demonstrated.

Don't confuse macho or girly traits with social, economic, and political (in)equality.

Women joining the workforce were a huge boost to the economy. They didn't "split" the economic pie, Ram-- the expanded the economic pie. There have been several feminist movements in the US. The one in the 1870s was started because women had no right to vote. In many jurisdictions women had no right to their own property. If they divorced because of brutal husbands-- he automatically got custody of their children.

I am a feminist. I am the mother of two wonderful adult children, and my husband and I just celebrated our 17th wedding anniversary. I have zero interest in "dominating" men, but I lived through the Bad Old Days in the 1960s when women were barred from many professions and professional schools, married women could not get credit in their own names, and if an employer didn't want to hire a woman, he didn't have to. There was no "no fault" divorce. If a woman's husband beat her, her only grounds for divorce in my state were adultery and abandonment. The average age of marriage for women in my state then was 19. Sexual harassment was perfectly legal. Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter, and the other professional right-wingers would have been told to stay home full time to look after their children and husband.

Does anyone have a problem with people just being who they want to be for themselves? Why should they need anyone's approval, so long as their gendered identities are not immoral, illegal, or harmful in someway? If a woman wants to be a lumber jack or a man wants to be a hair-dresser, why shouldn't they be free to do what they have inside them to do? In case anyone's forgotten, a lot of "men's" jobs pay a lot better than the pink-collar occupations.

Look at the astrology. Why should a woman with a lot of Mars and Aries have to play it "girly" so that she doesn't confront other people's expectations? Why should a man with a strong moon and Venus not express his sensitive nature?

The fact is that what is gender-appropriate is a function of your time and place. If you look back into history and across cultures, gender norms are culturally-specific and culturally constructed.

Talk about "women" or "men" as though everybody was cut out with the same cookie-cutter makes no sense. Slightly over half the world's population is female, and they come from all different parts of the world, walks of life, and cultural expectations.

You know what's behind these gender stereotypes, people. Madison Avenue. Hollywood. (The expensive part.) And they are extremely damaging to adolescents trying to fit into impossible standards devoloped to sell products, vs. being encouraged to simply be themselves.

During my working life I was often the only woman or one of a minority of women in my department. Treating people as people was a huge asset in co-workers' and colleagues' two-way streets.

Maybe people have forgotten what the alternative to today's more egalitarian society was like-- or are too young to remember it.

I didn't create this thread but it was a response on another thread/topic and a moderator moved it here.

Also, I'm really sick and tired of feminism and I don't buy the bullsh*t poison that infiltrated in every aspect of society and created the mess we are in today.

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Pallas in the chart can give useful insight. In mythology the first woman being treated equal as men.

http://www.artcharts.com/aspects/athene/about.html
http://www.neptunecafe.com/pallasprofiles.html
http://www.zot.net/pallas_notes.htm

Yes, in mythology she was born from Zeus' mind and came out full grown. She rivaled Ares in warfare.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAH my Pallas Athene is in Gemini and conjuncts my Gemini Mercury. So very fitting.

It is interesting that I only discovered today that I have Pallus sextile Sun and quincunx North node with Sun formed a prominent Yod from 3rd house Sun, and 5th house Pallus toward 10th house NN. Pallus also trine my ascendant. My mind is very interested on pattern recognising and rather more commonly male focus about the patterns, strategic thinking about battle and wars related matter. I always think the Chinese literature Art of War very fascinating.

Mine conjuncts Mercury, trines Pluto, opposite Neptune, square Moon, square Jupiter.

"Pallas may sharpen the mind when in aspect to Mercury, very often for purposes of a cause or crusade. Somewhat paradoxically, this crusade is often that of peace. Pallas-Mercury natives often possess a sharp intelligence well-suited to political strategy. These persons have Pallas conjunct Mercury: Lysander Spooner, Tom Woods, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Ayn Rand, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, Thomas Sowell, Ralph Nader, Rush Limbaugh, Antonio Gramsci, and Niccolo Machiavelli."

I am actually a Libertarian and I love Machiavelli and Sowell. I agree a lot with Malcolm X. I do believe that life is very Machiavellian. I never read Ayn Rand and I don't know anything about her other than she's not a contemporary but everyone I've come across who has even read Rand say I sound just like her. I hate Gramsci with a passion but it doesn't surprise me he's on Mercury conjunct Pallas list.

I love the description saying that Gemini Pallas Athene is argumentative and too hung up on the factual world and not having much "heart." Excellent, my reputation precedes me!!