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House significations have morphed over the millennia IleneK
Those comments are relative to HELLENISTIC astrological methology
which predates Deborah Houldings astrological rationale
Aries the 10th sign is suns exaltation,so both could be father

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Much of Saturn's astrological interpretation can be traced
to its astronomical appearance and movement
As the outermost planet
extremes and boundaries of any kind fall under its influence
from mundane significations
ranging from gateposts, doors
thresholds and walls
international borders
skins
leather
teeth, bones, nails and hair
to the signification of personal limits imposed by fear, self-doubt
weakness
and lack of resource.
Deborah Houlding






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Extremes like in extreme anger? How can that be if its a cold planet?
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Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/

SATURN wishes good to no one
And he signifies old men and weighty men
and burdens and fear, griefs and sorrow
and the complication of the mind.


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Even by day in aquarius?
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Much of Saturn's astrological interpretation can be traced
to its astronomical appearance and movement
As the outermost planet


extremes and boundaries of any kind fall under its influence

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Extremes like in extreme anger?

How can that be if its a cold planet?



from mundane significations
ranging from gateposts, doors
thresholds and walls
international borders
skins
leather
teeth, bones, nails and hair

to the signification of personal limits imposed by fear,

self-doubt
weakness

and lack of resource.
Deborah Houlding

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Cold anger is anger that has been cooled and put to use



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Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/

SATURN wishes good to no one
And he signifies old men and weighty men
and burdens and fear, griefs and sorrow
and the complication of the mind.

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Even by day in aquarius?

Of the two Malefic planets, SATURN is the GREATER Malefic planet


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PISCES is the domain of the hermit and the monk
who after assimilating too much knowledge
became confused and troubled.
This is symbolic of piscean inner turmoil
with the two sides of an argument,
or the 2 fish set against each other.
The effect is one of self undoing
because
the native takes positions that are
inherently contradictory to each other.


According to Valens: "….Pisces is a feminine zoidion
... opposed to itself because of
being both in the south and in the north
... Those so born are inconstant, of two minds
those who change from bad to good
erotic, servile, licentious, prolific, popular."

In contrast to the other sign administered to by Jupiter
which is about seeing
this sign is about believing, faith, and sacrifice


for PISCES SATURN - Here the principle of agnoia
often causes the native
to forget that they are a part of the human family.
This represents the test of compassion
of which the ultimate example is
whether they will lay down their own life for their fellow man.
In most nativities, this extreme is never reachedbut frequently they are somehow put into situations
that obligate them to take care of those less fortunate
at a sacrifice to their own well being.
Saturn is the planet of agnoia and neglect
there is the danger of falling into disgrace and dishonor
if they forget to live by the same high standards they expect others to live by.
Because of this, the penalties for failure are much higher
and less forgiving for these natives than they are for most.
In a diurnal chart Saturn can function effectively
under the principle of limitation set by the diurnal sect
and set realistic goals for the native.
Therefore these individuals often reach positions of power and prestige.
Their integrity is often unquestionable
and rarely do they suffer dishonor or disgrace.

On another level, PISCES SATURN individuals
often have a hard time maintaining structure and routine.
Their lives may stagnate to the point that they may be tempted
to withdraw and live the life of a hermit.
It can also represent a test of faith
because Saturn essentially says
that there is nothing beyond itself and what is physically real
or in the words of Descartes
that there is nothing real but extension.




However, Pisces hints at what is beyond
because it is the last of the signs
and signifies reintegration into the collective.
In contrast to the easy going nature of PISCES JUPITER
an individual with PISCES SATURN tends
to take life too seriously and lacks a sense of humor.
They may tend to suffer from depression
and indulge themselves in self pity.
They may be allergic to pets.

In a diurnal chart, the heat of the day helps to minimize
the coldness of Saturn and the dryness helps
to make distinct their obligations to those less fortunate.
A PISCES SATURN is a good position for those
who would work in mental institutions or hospitals
and allows the setting of limits
as to how much personal sacrifice the native will have to endure.
source: Curtis Manwaring


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The fact that venus and moon rule women and night reminds me that they tend to fall for criminal types or bad boys and cant see through them cause darkness makes judgemebt fuzxy
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What does saturn in aquarius tend to neglect?



PISCES is the domain of the hermit and the monk
who after assimilating too much knowledge
became confused and troubled.
This is symbolic of piscean inner turmoil
with the two sides of an argument,
or the 2 fish set against each other.
The effect is one of self undoing
because
the native takes positions that are
inherently contradictory to each other.


According to Valens: "….Pisces is a feminine zoidion
... opposed to itself because of
being both in the south and in the north
... Those so born are inconstant, of two minds
those who change from bad to good
erotic, servile, licentious, prolific, popular."

In contrast to the other sign administered to by Jupiter
which is about seeing
this sign is about believing, faith, and sacrifice


for PISCES SATURN - Here the principle of agnoia
often causes the native
to forget that they are a part of the human family.
This represents the test of compassion
of which the ultimate example is
whether they will lay down their own life for their fellow man.
In most nativities, this extreme is never reachedbut frequently they are somehow put into situations
that obligate them to take care of those less fortunate
at a sacrifice to their own well being.
Saturn is the planet of agnoia and neglect
there is the danger of falling into disgrace and dishonor
if they forget to live by the same high standards they expect others to live by.
Because of this, the penalties for failure are much higher
and less forgiving for these natives than they are for most.
In a diurnal chart Saturn can function effectively
under the principle of limitation set by the diurnal sect
and set realistic goals for the native.
Therefore these individuals often reach positions of power and prestige.
Their integrity is often unquestionable
and rarely do they suffer dishonor or disgrace.

On another level, PISCES SATURN individuals
often have a hard time maintaining structure and routine.
Their lives may stagnate to the point that they may be tempted
to withdraw and live the life of a hermit.
It can also represent a test of faith
because Saturn essentially says
that there is nothing beyond itself and what is physically real
or in the words of Descartes
that there is nothing real but extension.




However, Pisces hints at what is beyond
because it is the last of the signs
and signifies reintegration into the collective.
In contrast to the easy going nature of PISCES JUPITER
an individual with PISCES SATURN tends
to take life too seriously and lacks a sense of humor.
They may tend to suffer from depression
and indulge themselves in self pity.
They may be allergic to pets.

In a diurnal chart, the heat of the day helps to minimize
the coldness of Saturn and the dryness helps
to make distinct their obligations to those less fortunate.
A PISCES SATURN is a good position for those
who would work in mental institutions or hospitals
and allows the setting of limits
as to how much personal sacrifice the native will have to endure.
source: Curtis Manwaring


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What does Saturn in aquarius tend to neglect?

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What does Saturn in aquarius tend to neglect?
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there is no "...one size fits all..." traditionally

one would delineate each individual natal chart


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there is no "...one size fits all..." traditionally

one would delineate each individual natal chart


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9th conjunct mercury


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Are you talking about Saturn in the 9th in this chart,

which is in the sign of the MC and 10 degrees away from the MC point?
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yes,and mercury

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Beseiged applies to one planet at a time.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/beseiged.html

Bonatus describes a besieged planet as one that separates from a malefic and applies to another (Con. 6). It shows a situation that is going from bad to worse.

William Lilly described a planet besieged as one that lies between the bodies of the two malefics Mars and Saturn. His example is Mars at 10 ° Aries, Venus 13° Aries, and Saturn 15° Aries. It is generally accepted that besiegement can occur by aspect as well as bodily conjunction. As a principle it refers to a planet trapped by hostile forces on either side.

In the case of this chart, neither of the criteria hold for Venus. Venus separates from Mars but applies to Sun, not Saturn.
Venus also lies between Mars and Sun, not Mars and Saturn.
So I would say Venus is not beseiged.

If you follow the same thinking, Sun is not besieged either.

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would mercury and saturn be considered strong in 9th house though theyre 7-10 degreses from MC point?


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9th conjunct mercury


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Are you talking about Saturn in the 9th in this chart,

which is in the sign of the MC and 10 degrees away from the MC point?
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yes,and mercury

Beseiged applies to one planet at a time.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/beseiged.html

Bonatus describes a besieged planet as one that separates from a malefic and applies to another (Con. 6). It shows a situation that is going from bad to worse.

William Lilly described a planet besieged as one that lies between the bodies of the two malefics Mars and Saturn. His example is Mars at 10 ° Aries, Venus 13° Aries, and Saturn 15° Aries. It is generally accepted that besiegement can occur by aspect as well as bodily conjunction. As a principle it refers to a planet trapped by hostile forces on either side.

In the case of this chart, neither of the criteria hold for Venus. Venus separates from Mars but applies to Sun, not Saturn.
Venus also lies between Mars and Sun, not Mars and Saturn.
So I would say Venus is not beseiged.

If you follow the same thinking, Sun is not besieged either.

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Jupiter is helpful.
Sometimes, it's so helpful, it helps the guys robbing a bank.
Always inflate, Jup.
not a traditional astrology perspective
because
generalisation although tempting fun

is unreliable
i.e.

Jupiter is of the Day Sect
and acts CONTRARY when not of the sect in favor
this thread is on our traditional board


https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...767#post920767


Sun onto SATURN favorably placed by day
effective for actions, wealth, joy and memories of ancient matters

When unfavorably placed by night, they cause dangers, inactivity,
judgements, bankruptcies, enmities with elders,
deaths of relatives, fearful sights and anxiety.


Chris Brennan
on the concept of reception
in traditional astrology
and
how it can be used as a powerful mitigating factor
in birth chart interpretation

Broadly speaking
reception occurs
when one planet is placed in a sign ruled by another planet
and
the ruler of the sign aspects the guest planet.

Since the signs of the zodiac were originally conceptualized
as the homes or dwelling places of the planets
reception was conceptualized as
what happens when a host planet welcomes and supports guests staying in its home.

Medieval astrologers often treated reception as a powerful mitigating factor
which could make aspects from benefics even more positive
or alternatively make difficult aspects from malefics more constructive.

First part of the lecture - history and philosophy behind this concept
while the second half presents contemporary chart examples
to demonstrate how the technique works in practice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwNTivlTws8

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Stars that precede are superior to those that follow
thus it is better for benefics to be on the right of malefics
and we say this for all assemblies, configurations and like-principles.

In every case it is necessary to

examine the assemblies and configurations with degree
for they become stronger the closer they are to their figures.

Like-principles of daylight, rising times and houserulers
cause harmonious affinity
but it will be very weak if the images are turned away.
It will be necessary to accurately measure
the distances between powerful stars
then measure the same or reverse from the Hour-Marker,
in order that
whatever relations the stars bear to each other
the Hour-Marker may bear to the Lots
and that they may be as they were Hour-Markers.

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REMINDER



The following table


clearly illustrates
below the column headed HOUSE
that

SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

by the way

for beginners learning Traditional Astrology who do not know



HOUSE = DOMICILE
i.e.
House is aka Domicile








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SATURN transits each house for 2.5 YEARS
UNLESS RETROGRADE


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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is aka The IMAGE OF THE WATER-POURER

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The image of the Water-Pourer
is masculine, diurnal, solid, watery, human, servile, eloquent, semi-infertile, handsome, standing and of the east wind. It indicates inquiries, affairs, crafts, water and property. Depending on the placement of the houseruler, men born under the influence of Aquarius are burdened, envious, lying, occasionally generous because of the uncontrollable flow of the Water-Pourer, craftsmen, public, mystical, youthful, delicate, with beautiful figure and eyes, smooth hair, dizzy, beautiful manners, white, working with hard materials, troubled by athletic training, artisans, wealthy, malicious, haters of their own families, incorrigible, making living by waterside places, betrayers of reputation and truth, accusers, haters of mankind, godless and uncontrollable.

Domicile of Saturn, it controls the lower legs, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system. It causes blindness on account of the water. It is like-empowered with Libra, like-ascending with Pisces and like-engirding with Capricorn, short in the Northern Hemisphere and tall in the Southern Hemisphere. It is wintry, cold and moist for the north, and summery, hot and dry for the south. Aquarius obeys Aries for the north and commands it for the south. Aquarius controls Sauromatica, Oxiana, Sogdiana, Arabia, Azania and Middle Ethiopia. The left hand and the head are rising up to the 7th degree, the body and the right hand up to the 13th, the pitcher up to the 20th, the water up to the 25th, and the falling water up to the 30th.

The first 7° belong to Mercury - mastery, lovers of wisdom
The next 6° belong to Venus - friendships with great women
The next 7° belong to Jupiter - notable, some are winners of games
The next 5° belong to Mars - lawsuits, injuries, some die violent deaths
The final 5° belong to Saturn - education, grief in youth

Shoulders, Left Arm and Cloak - Saturn and Mercury
Thighs - Mercury and moderately Saturn
Water - Saturn and moderately Jupiter


Such, then, are the observations of the effects of the stars
as made by our predecessors.


Bibliography:
Ludwich, A. (Ed.). (1877). Maximi et Ammonis carminum De actionum auspiciis reliquiae: accedunt Anecdota astrologica. BG Teubneri. Retrieved from
https://archive.org/details/maximiet...00ludw/page/n3
Manilius, & Goold, G. P. (1985). Astronomica. BG Teubner.
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
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Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages. Project Hindsight.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf


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I remember reading that cazimi prevents combustion at 17 minutes
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Joseph Crane says
the Greeks had no concept of combustion

"...Traditional astrologers are familiar with
the idea of '...combustion...'
if a planet is within eight degrees of the Sun
it is burnt up by the Sun

and is in a weakened condition.

This concept does not appear in the Hellenistic tradition
HOWEVER

its origin may be in the depiction of
a planet sunken within the Sun’s beams.

Does Saturn, being in a '...sunken...' condition
imply
that Saturn is no good as a planet for the native?
If so, this may be a particular problem
when Saturn, SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
governs many planets in Capricorn
as well as Aquarius..."


The image of the Water-Pourer aka AQUARIUS

is masculine, diurnal, solid, watery, human, servile, eloquent, semi-infertile, handsome, standing and of the east wind. It indicates inquiries, affairs, crafts, water and property. Depending on the placement of the houseruler, men born under the influence of Aquarius are burdened, envious, lying, occasionally generous because of the uncontrollable flow of the Water-Pourer, craftsmen, public, mystical, youthful, delicate, with beautiful figure and eyes, smooth hair, dizzy, beautiful manners, white, working with hard materials, troubled by athletic training, artisans, wealthy, malicious, haters of their own families, incorrigible, making living by waterside places, betrayers of reputation and truth, accusers, haters of mankind, godless and uncontrollable.

Domicile of Saturn, it controls the lower legs, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system. It causes blindness on account of the water. It is like-empowered with Libra, like-ascending with Pisces and like-engirding with Capricorn, short in the Northern Hemisphere and tall in the Southern Hemisphere. It is wintry, cold and moist for the north, and summery, hot and dry for the south. Aquarius obeys Aries for the north and commands it for the south. Aquarius controls Sauromatica, Oxiana, Sogdiana, Arabia, Azania and Middle Ethiopia. The left hand and the head are rising up to the 7th degree, the body and the right hand up to the 13th, the pitcher up to the 20th, the water up to the 25th, and the falling water up to the 30th.

The first 7° belong to Mercury - mastery, lovers of wisdom
The next 6° belong to Venus - friendships with great women
The next 7° belong to Jupiter - notable, some are winners of games
The next 5° belong to Mars - lawsuits, injuries, some die violent deaths
The final 5° belong to Saturn - education, grief in youth

Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf



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Mercury onto SATURN favorably placed increase reputation

and bring acquisition,
harm enemies, provide benefits from ancient unions, trade and matters.
When unfavorably placed, they indicate lawsuits, unemployment,
debt, harm from friends, servants and treachery.


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Robert Schmidt - Deceased 2018
translations of Vettius Valens http://www.projecthindsight.com/

CONDITIONS RELATIVE TO THE SUN:


When a planet is in the interval from heliacal rising up to first station

or
from second station up to the heliacal setting
the planet is capable of appearing

and
therefore is in a place conducive to the conduct of its business .

The heliacal rising of a star
or other body
such as the moon, a planet or a constellation
occurs when it first becomes visible above the eastern horizon
for a brief moment just before sunrise
after a period of time when it had not been visible

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When a planet is making a Station and/or phasis
it is not only capable of appearing but is also intensified



Robert Schmidt - fluent Ancient Greek Classics Scholar
says that Phasis means

“...making an appearance...”

or

“...sudden dramatic showing of something...”


It can also mean

“...something that speaks...”

or
we can say that it means “...an appearance that speaks...”
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PHASIS

describes a planet making a heliacal rising

aka rising before the sun


standardized to 15 degrees by Hellenistic astrology
- within 7 days before of after native’s birth.
Rumen Kolev one of the few living practitioners of Ancient Babylonian Astrology
based on his own observations of the skies
states that the 15Ί standardisation
is obviously a variable dependent upon local conditions.

http://www.babylonianastrology.com/i...d=28&Itemid=44

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When any planet is “...under the sun’s beams...”

i.e.
within 15 ecliptic degrees of the sun
the planet is considered not capable of conducting its business
due to being “...drained or unempowered...”


However
there are modifications to this

such as
if a planet is in its Exaltation
own terms

or own bounds

or dignity
then

the planet is considered to be “...in its own chariot...”

and therefore
“...protected and/or shielded..”

from the potential '...harm...' of combustion.


ROBERT SCHMIDT - PROJECT HINDSIGHT http://www.projecthindsight.com/

provides analogy of "...travelling in own limo with shaded windows ..."

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ROBERT SCHMIDT - PROJECT HINDSIGHT http://www.projecthindsight.com/


When a planet
is in the interval
of first station to second station

aka retrograde
the planet is not fit to conduct its business
because it is described as “...walking backwards...”





Venus

and much fainter

Mars

continue in the early dawn as shown here. Look southeast.
Mercury is much lower in the dawn
some 22° to Venus's lower left.

SATURN emerges from the sunrise glare
conjunction with Mercury on the morning of March 2nd
when they're only 0.7° apart.
Mercury that morning is the brighter one
Saturn glimmers to its upper left.

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NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


'...He does not easily get angry
and if he were angry
he would not be able to rule his own mind.
He wishes good to no one.


And he signifies old men
and weighty men
and burdens and fear, griefs
and sorrow and the complication of the mind.
And fraud and affliction and difficulty and loss;
also ancestors and what is left behind by the dead
mourning, and being orphaned, and old things.
Even grandfathers and fathers and brothers
and senior people and slaves
and mule drivers and men who are blamed
and robbers and those who dig up graves
and who rob the garments of the dead.



And fitters of leather and those who blame things.
He signifies magicians and masters of discord
and low-class men and eunuchs.
and a scarcity of speaking
and the knowledge of secrets
and one does not know what is in his mind
nor does a wise person make disclosures to him
about every obscure matter
And he signifies austerity and the ascetics of religions....'
[From Gr. Intr. VII.9.1390-1423]


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...............doesn't Saturn sometimes give great wealth and power to nativities
and doesn't he sometimes cause great afflictions?

Yes, of course
but that has to do with his harmonious or disharmonious relationship
with the planet/angle/lot
through the different aspects
and natures of the subjects.

So

combining essential and accidental dignity
into the same concept
does not prevent us from making these distinctions
while I would argue that too much emphasis
on the essential dignity could prevent someone
making this distinction in the particular cases

- for example when it helps rank with trine to the Sun
from Aquarius by day, but

causes divorce
with square to the Moon in a dual sign in a male nativity
Aquarius is not going to help the first and mitigate the latter
I argue that is going to increase
and
actualize the effects of both.

Powerful Saturn at the nativity
does not mean that it will give only very good or very evil at all times
(though it certainly can exceed in one direction)
if you use the recasting of horoscopes at solar and lunar revolutions
planets change their powers
which allows for differentiation in the chronocratorship.

You can't make this important differentiation
if you only use primary directions, profections or what have you
with the nativity though.
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PLANETS DIGNIFIED IN AQUARIUS




SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is dignified
not only
by sign
but also
is dignified in diurnal charts
ss daytime triplicity ruler Aquarius

MERCURY is dignified in nocturnal charts as night-time triplicity ruler.


Planets Debilitated in Aquarius = Sun by DETRIMENT



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Saturn on Ascendant typically means you are reserved or your expression of self-expression is hindered in some way. MC in Aquarius probably means you'd be good at Agriculture or traditional Saturnian fields. I would say technology, but that's more a modern astrological idea due to Aquarius's modern affiliation with Uranus.
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I totally agree with Saturn being ruler of technology.
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Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part II - Seven Stars

Saturn completes 2 sidereal cycles and 57 synodic cycles with 59 years.
It has retreating arcs of 7 degrees for 140 days.
Saturn is cooling and moderately drying, malefic, masculine and diurnal. Phainon makes those born under him dark-skinned, robust, black-haired, curly-haired, hairy-chested, and with eyes of moderate size, middling stature, having excess of cold and moist when morning rising, and dark, slender, small, straight-haired, with little bodily hair, rather graceful, black-eyed, having excess of cold and dry when evening rising, and in general, annoying, concealing, avaricious, ignorant, consistent, reserved, petty, malicious, having many anxieties, throwing themselves down, fond of solitude, deceitful, downcast, hypocritical, squalid, clothed in black, deviant, importunate, sullen and miserable. Saturn controls depressions and sluggishness, obstacles in business, interminable lawsuits, subversion of action, secrets, restraints, imprisonment, grief, accusations, tears, being orphaned, captivity, haunting, farmers, gardeners, workers of property, managers, seafaring and waterside trades, tax collectors, the elders, violent action, guardianship, great reputation, notable ranks, lands, administration of that which belongs to others, fathership of the children of others, bachelors, widows, childlessness, violent deaths by water, strangulation, dysentery, falling on the face, injuries and lower respiratory infections, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system, building materials like wood and stone, lead, dark colours and astringent tastes. It chronocrator over late old age up to death.
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and it's annual aspects:

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HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY uses CHRONOCRATORS


Chrono = Time
Crator = Ruler
aka TIME RULERS
aka TIME LORDS

Valens explains in Book Seven that
there can be - and often are - at any one time, several Time Lords
and so

according to Valens if these Time Lords are all benefics
the judgement is for a beneficial year.
but if these TIME LORDS are all benefics mixed with malefics as well
then the judgement is for a mixed year
If these TIME LORDS are all malefics judgement is for a difficult year

Vettius Valens explains in detail in THE ANTHOLOGY
FREE to read online pdf translated from the original Ancient Greek
at
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

Book Seven of THE ANTHOLOGY by Vettius Valens states
'....Take the ascensional time of a sign
and count it up with the period of the planet in this sign.
The sum gives a particular year.

TABLE OF ASCENSIONAL ARCS OF ZODIAC SIGNS
is viewable at http://www.projecthindsight.com/imag...nsionTimes.pdf

Rhetorius translation by James Holden provides a chart example
which states that effect of planet lasts until its period ends.
more info for interested at https://patrickwatsonastrology.com/i...XVZVt6W9a7SJq0
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Oh dear. Saturn is in my Sun God house. Least he's not in the 8th, I suppose. Might've been dead already.
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