Arian Maverick
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Re: Classification of Signs Part 1
Thank you for that extremely-informative post, Joseph!
Do you mind if I attempt interpretation of my own natal chart here using the principles you've described, so I get some practice using them? Or should I create a corresponding thread for members to do this?
EDIT: Ever the impatient Arian, I'm going to begin interpretation here and copy and paste it to another thread, if this is the decision you or the moderators reach.
The Sun is located in the first house in my natal chart, so it's below the Horizon. Thus, I have a nocturnal sect, which is governed by the Moon.
The planets which co-rule the nocturnal sect are Venus and Mars; these planets do the Moon's bidding. Fortunately, Venus and Mars are under the horizon in my natal chart, where they perform best. (What does this indicate?) These planets are not Hayz, however, because they are located in masculine signs. Neither are they in their Domicile or Exaltation. I have a question regarding this: what does having a sect ruler in the sign of its detriment or fall indicate? Venus is a co-ruler of the noctural sect, and it is located in Aries, the sign of its detriment. You also mentioned something earlier about combustion. Did Hellenistic astrologers regarding a planet within 17 arc minutes as cazimi, a fortunate influence, or extremely combust?
Now, I'll look at the triplicity ruler of the Moon, which governs the nocturnal sect. My natal Moon is located in Aries in the first house, conjunct the Ascendant. The night ruler of Fire Trigon is Jupiter.
Ah, this is where things begin to get interesting. The 1st Trigon Lord in my natal chart is Jupiter in the sign of its detriment--Gemini--in the second or third house, depending upon which house system I utilize. Yet Jupiter, the 1st Trigon Lord, forms a nice sextile aspect to the Moon, the Sect ruler. Also, Jupiter has a bit of dignity by face, since it is located within the first ten degrees of Gemini, which Jupiter governs. What do you make of this mixed good/bad influence?
Finally, Jupiter is the least-aspected planet in my natal chart. The only other aspect it forms is not even a major aspect; it's a quincunx aspect to Uranus. Should I disregard this aspect because it's not a major aspect and because it does not aspect another traditional planet?
If I've read the chart correctly, the Sun is the Second Trigon Lord because my Sect Ruler (the Moon) is located within the Fire Trigon. My Sun is much better placed than Jupiter; it's in Aries, the sign of its exaltation, in the first house.
I should have known the second part of my life won't be as great as it first seemed; Saturn negatively aspects the Second Triplicity Lord, the Sun! As you've indicated, this is even worse in a nocturnal chart, and I will likely experience "long delays, much sorrow and tribulations" during this period. Does Saturn's strong placement in my natal chart--in Capricorn in the tenth house--make things better or worse?
Since Saturn, the Participating Ruler, is well-placed in the tenth house in Capricorn, will it "provide help and aid to the efforts of the Trigon Lord"? Or can't Saturn help the Trigon Lord if it forms negative aspects to it?
Again, thank you for this detailed discussion, which I am sure will help many forum members.
Arian Maverick
Thank you for that extremely-informative post, Joseph!
Do you mind if I attempt interpretation of my own natal chart here using the principles you've described, so I get some practice using them? Or should I create a corresponding thread for members to do this?
EDIT: Ever the impatient Arian, I'm going to begin interpretation here and copy and paste it to another thread, if this is the decision you or the moderators reach.
The Sun is located in the first house in my natal chart, so it's below the Horizon. Thus, I have a nocturnal sect, which is governed by the Moon.
The planets which co-rule the nocturnal sect are Venus and Mars; these planets do the Moon's bidding. Fortunately, Venus and Mars are under the horizon in my natal chart, where they perform best. (What does this indicate?) These planets are not Hayz, however, because they are located in masculine signs. Neither are they in their Domicile or Exaltation. I have a question regarding this: what does having a sect ruler in the sign of its detriment or fall indicate? Venus is a co-ruler of the noctural sect, and it is located in Aries, the sign of its detriment. You also mentioned something earlier about combustion. Did Hellenistic astrologers regarding a planet within 17 arc minutes as cazimi, a fortunate influence, or extremely combust?
Now, I'll look at the triplicity ruler of the Moon, which governs the nocturnal sect. My natal Moon is located in Aries in the first house, conjunct the Ascendant. The night ruler of Fire Trigon is Jupiter.
If the 1st Trigon Lord is well placed, then quite simply, life will be good. If it is not well placed, then the native will suffer. Depending on the nature of the affliction, a certain measure of unpleasantness can be expected.
Ah, this is where things begin to get interesting. The 1st Trigon Lord in my natal chart is Jupiter in the sign of its detriment--Gemini--in the second or third house, depending upon which house system I utilize. Yet Jupiter, the 1st Trigon Lord, forms a nice sextile aspect to the Moon, the Sect ruler. Also, Jupiter has a bit of dignity by face, since it is located within the first ten degrees of Gemini, which Jupiter governs. What do you make of this mixed good/bad influence?
Finally, Jupiter is the least-aspected planet in my natal chart. The only other aspect it forms is not even a major aspect; it's a quincunx aspect to Uranus. Should I disregard this aspect because it's not a major aspect and because it does not aspect another traditional planet?
What's fascinating is that if a person has their First Trigon Lord in bad shape, yet their Second Trigon Lord is in fantastic shape, then they will literally have the ability to turn their lives around for the better once they switch. A person can go from zero to Hero, using Triplicities!
If I've read the chart correctly, the Sun is the Second Trigon Lord because my Sect Ruler (the Moon) is located within the Fire Trigon. My Sun is much better placed than Jupiter; it's in Aries, the sign of its exaltation, in the first house.
The next thing to consider in regards to the strength of the Triplicity Lord, is to notice if it is negatively aspected by the malefics (Saturn and Mars) or not. In any diurnal chart, negative aspects to Mars are particularly upsetting to the native, causing rash behavior and chaos. This is because Mars is out of Sect, and doesn't have any business upsetting the structure of the Diurnal Sect. For a nocturnal chart, when Saturn negatively aspects the Triplicity Lord, there are long delays, much sorrow and tribulations to be expected in the native's life. Again, this is because Saturn is of the opposite sect, and causes extreme misfortune when getting involved by negative aspect to the opposite sect.
I should have known the second part of my life won't be as great as it first seemed; Saturn negatively aspects the Second Triplicity Lord, the Sun! As you've indicated, this is even worse in a nocturnal chart, and I will likely experience "long delays, much sorrow and tribulations" during this period. Does Saturn's strong placement in my natal chart--in Capricorn in the tenth house--make things better or worse?
Eventually, the first Triplicity Lord, the Sun, will stop shining, so to speak, and then the second Lord will take over. Now, this isn't the Participating Ruler. That planet just watches over everything, and gives support to the efforts. It's pretty simple to understand how, generally, the Participating Ruler can provide help and aid to the efforts of the Trigon Lord if it is well placed, or hinder if it is not well placed.
Since Saturn, the Participating Ruler, is well-placed in the tenth house in Capricorn, will it "provide help and aid to the efforts of the Trigon Lord"? Or can't Saturn help the Trigon Lord if it forms negative aspects to it?
Again, thank you for this detailed discussion, which I am sure will help many forum members.
Arian Maverick
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