Donald Trump will be impeached.

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david starling

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Dirius said:
He said he could have done in a longer period of time, but he doesn't want to, he wanted to solve it now.

He also mentions that congress is trying to obstruct him, and is skimping on funds for this issue. So he wanted to do it faster than wait for the democrats to slowly give him some funds for it. He also mentions that by obstructing the wall, the democrats believe they may win the election.

I never changed his words. I take what he said and understand it. The same people who refuse to give him funds have said it is a crisis in the past.
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You didn't change his words. Bet he wishes he could! :biggrin:
Dirius, Congress isn't SUPPOSED to rubber stamp everything he wants. That's why it's called "checks and balances".
 
Dirius

Dirius

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david starling said:
You didn't change his words. Bet he wishes he could! :biggrin:
Dirius, Congress isn't SUPPOSED to rubber stamp everything he wants. That's why it's called "checks and balances".
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When both sides of congress have:

- said it is a crisis in the past, multiple times.
- provided funds for solutions, during previous administrations.
- explained their opposition to the idea is based on feelings, not law.

Its clear to anyone that there is a problem on the southern border of your country.

Then by definition, at the present time, congress is not acting in the best interest of the people by refusing to deal with the situation (as they have in the past with a different president), but rather following their own political agenda for whatever purpose they have, which seems to be that they just want to go against Trump and his administration. Maybe its a political powergrab, or just trying to gain votes. When they refuse to adress an issue that is clearly a problem for your country, then you do have an emergency: of representatives not doing their job.
 
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david starling

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Dirius said:
When both sides of congress have:

- said it is a crisis in the past, multiple times.
- provided funds for solutions, during previous administrations.
- explained their opposition to the idea is based on feelings, not law.

Its clear to anyone that there is a problem on the southern border of your country.

Then by definition, at the present time, congress is not acting in the best interest of the people by refusing to deal with the situation (as they have in the past with a different president), but rather following their own political agenda for whatever purpose they have, which seems to be that they just want to go against Trump and his administration. Maybe its a political powergrab, or just trying to gain votes. When they refuse to adress an issue that is clearly a problem for your country, then you do have an emergency: of representatives not doing their job.
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They are doing their jobs. The Wall will cost too much and won't solve the problem. Are you aware of his gaffe concerning the crime-rate in El Paso?
The crime-rate was WAY down BEFORE the anti-immigration fence was built, not AFTER, as he claimed. In fact, after the fence, the crime-rate went UP slightly!
It's one thing to recognize a problem, and another to agree on a solution.
There's politics on the Republican side as well--if there's no "Big, Beautiful Wall" that he envisioned and promised, it will make it easier for the Dems to take back the Presidency. So, just because they voted for it doesn't mean they think it would work, or is worth the money.
 
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Dirius

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david starling said:
They are doing their jobs. The Wall will cost too much and won't solve the problem. Are you aware of his gaffe concerning the crime-rate in El Paso?
The crime-rate was WAY down BEFORE the anti-immigration fence was built, not AFTER, as he claimed. In fact, after the fence, the crime-rate went UP slightly!
It's one thing to recognize a problem, and another to agree on a solution.
There's politics on the Republican side as well--if there's no "Big, Beautiful Wall" that he envisioned and promised, it will make it easier for the Dems to take back the Presidency. So, just because they voted for it doesn't mean they think it would work, or is worth the money.
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Crime, as a general statistic yes, it began going down in the early 90's. But not all crimes are related to illegal immigrants. After they finished building the fence in El Paso around the year 2009, illegal crossings decreased by around 80% in 2010, drug smuggling in the area also decreased, and so on.
https://www.politifact.com/texas/st...tator-el-paso-fencing-2010-drove-down-violen/

Congress may not agree with the solution, but the basis of their disagreement has not been based on either efficiency or budget spending. It has been on feelings, because they have clearly stated its "immoral and wrong" as their only reason to reject Trump's plan. If they had disagreed while offering a more cost-effective alternative, or at least one that hasn't been tried before and failed (such as catch and release), I would agree with you. But currently they are simply not doing their job out of their own political agenda to try to bring down Trump- Their entire argument regarding the wall, has nothing to do with the safety or economic benefit of your people.

If democrats had done things properly, and for more compelling and logical reasons, I would agree with you. But they didn't. It isn't about money, or safety, its about politics. And that is a problem, that Trump solved by declaring an emergency.


PS: there are like hundreds of better arguments they could have used against the wall, which they didn't (out of their own stupidity perhaps), that could have stopped Trump. I will offer a 2:

- The wall is an enviromental hazard, that interferes with migration patterns of endangered species that migrate between both countries, and thus has the possibility of affecting wildlife on a massive scale never seen before.

- Building the wall may come in conflict with private property owners around the border, particulary the areas used for economic development (such as farming).


But what did the brilliant minds of the democratic party used as their reason? "Its immoral and we don't like it".
 
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Witchyone

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Dirius said:
Witchy, both parties have agreed that there is a huge problem with illegal immigration. Even Obama said this on his speeches, so did Schumer and Pelosi. So it is clearly a problem. However, when you have a huge crisis at your hands, but goverment officials who are elected to deal with that issue are purposefully not doing anything about it (either out of principle or stupidity), then you do have an actual emergency on your hands.

Your politicians have not done their job for years regarding this issue. And now, they are actually refusing to deal with the situation. That is an emergency. What Trump is saying is that, he didn't need to do it if goverment had done its proper job, which is to protect the citizens of your country. So yeah he wants a solution, and he wants it fast. He is tired of these irresponsible politicians delaying the issue.

Point to note: if politicians had done their job 3 years, 7 years, or 10 years ago, Trump wouldn't be president.
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He's the President. He is not king. He is not a dictator. To solve the problem both branches must negotiate. They must compromise. They must make deals, which he said he was the best at, but apparently his idea of a deal is bullying or taking his ball and going home. The reason the issue has not been solved in all of these years is because it is not simple. The billions of dollars that he brags they gave him are for border security, for the things that experts at the border say will actually help the crisis, instead of his big dumb wall that won't. The Republicans had control of Congress for the first two years of his presidency, and he never tried to do this then. Why?

We have more pressing crises in the US, like mass shootings. He's not even talking about that.
 
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Dirius

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Witchyone said:
He's the President. He is not king. He is not a dictator. To solve the problem both branches must negotiate. They must compromise. They must make deals, which he said he was the best at, but apparently his idea of a deal is bullying or taking his ball and going home. The reason the issue has not been solved in all of these years is because it is not simple. The billions of dollars that he brags they gave him are for border security, for the things that experts at the border say will actually help the crisis, instead of his big dumb wall that won't. The Republicans had control of Congress for the first two years of his presidency, and he never tried to do this then. Why?

We have more pressing crises in the US, like mass shootings. He's not even talking about that.
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Independant experts that work on immigration are actually supportive of the wall, and believe it can work. Everyone agrees it is a twisted idea, no argument there. But the truth is that you guys have tried lots of different things since the 90's to curve illegal immigration, and sadly they have all failed. You went from a harsh stance, to a lighter stance, to a medium approach. None work. At this point, Trump's wall is so farfetched it might just do the trick.

Trump did not push for his wall during the first 2 years, because some republicans in congress also oppose the wall. Let me remind you that republicans don't really like big goverment spending. So it did take Trump a while until he could get the backing from his own party. That is why he first went for the 2 things republicans would love: lower taxes and health-care reform.

You can't make a deal, when one side doesn't have the best interest of the country at hand. Its sad, but its true, and you should be able to see that despite your dislike for Trump or affection for the democratic party. Chuck Schumer was talking about the crisis of illegal immigration long before Trump did, but now because of political interests that would benefit him, he changed positions. This is him in 2014:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAyn89hFIo&t=51s // he makes the same points Trump makes. He even says that calling them "undocumented workers" is wrong.

You have one party, that for the purpose of political gain, are refusing to do anything about illegal immigration. Its ok if you are against the wall or dislike Trump, but you got to at least admit to the fact that democrats are playing politics and not even lifting a finger to deal with an issue that brings crime and death to your country every year.
 
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BlackLioness87

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I know a person who migrated legally to the US in the early 90's. This person worked there illegally for about 13 years, then he returned to his country. A couple of years later he went to Mexico and crossed the US border illegally, however he was caught by immigration agents and spent some months in jail, then he was deported. Now, 10 years later and in his 50s, he wants to try to cross the US border again (before the wall is built, that's what he says). What will the US do in case people massively attempt to cross the southern border "before the wall is built"? Haven't you wondered?
 
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david starling

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Dirius said:
Independant experts that work on immigration are actually supportive of the wall, and believe it can work. Everyone agrees it is a twisted idea, no argument there. But the truth is that you guys have tried lots of different things since the 90's to curve illegal immigration, and sadly they have all failed. You went from a harsh stance, to a lighter stance, to a medium approach. None work. At this point, Trump's wall is so farfetched it might just do the trick.

Trump did not push for his wall during the first 2 years, because some republicans in congress also oppose the wall. Let me remind you that republicans don't really like big goverment spending. So it did take Trump a while until he could get the backing from his own party. That is why he first went for the 2 things republicans would love: lower taxes and health-care reform.

You can't make a deal, when one side doesn't have the best interest of the country at hand. Its sad, but its true, and you should be able to see that despite your dislike for Trump or affection for the democratic party. Chuck Schumer was talking about the crisis of illegal immigration long before Trump did, but now because of political interests that would benefit him, he changed positions. This is him in 2014:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdAyn89hFIo&t=51s // he makes the same points Trump makes. He even says that calling them "undocumented workers" is wrong.

You have one party, that for the purpose of political gain, are refusing to do anything about illegal immigration. Its ok if you are against the wall or dislike Trump, but you got to at least admit to the fact that democrats are playing politics and not even lifting a finger to deal with an issue that brings crime and death to your country every year.
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Here are the facts: The Democratic-controlled Legislature during Obama's tenure funded increased border patrols, which is one reason illegal immigration is down. That's also when the fences went up in El Paso.
The fences didn't reduce violent crime, but did help lower immigration violations in what had been a favorite crossover region for illegals. According to statistics, overall illegal immigration is currently the lowest it's been since the year 2000. NOT a "crisis", but a Trumped-up, fake "Emergency", and an abuse of power by the Executive branch.
 
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JUPITERASC

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BlackLioness87 said:
I know a person who migrated legally to the US in the early 90's. This person worked there illegally for about 13 years, then he returned to his country. A couple of years later he went to Mexico and crossed the US border illegally, however he was caught by immigration agents and spent some months in jail, then he was deported. Now, 10 years later and in his 50s, he wants to try to cross the US border again (before the wall is built, that's what he says). What will the US do in case people massively attempt to cross the southern border "before the wall is built"? Haven't you wondered?
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ynnest

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Witchyone said:
He's the President. He is not king. He is not a dictator. To solve the problem both branches must negotiate. They must compromise. They must make deals, which he said he was the best at, but apparently his idea of a deal is bullying or taking his ball and going home. The reason the issue has not been solved in all of these years is because it is not simple. The billions of dollars that he brags they gave him are for border security, for the things that experts at the border say will actually help the crisis, instead of his big dumb wall that won't. The Republicans had control of Congress for the first two years of his presidency, and he never tried to do this then. Why?

We have more pressing crises in the US, like mass shootings. He's not even talking about that.
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Actually Donald Trump has spiritual authority to bring through his purpose regardless of all ”Pet beliefs” that democrats have about him.
So in one sense he is very much like a king as he is a highly advanced soul who have taken on this heavy mission and burden on his shoulders.

Why the Wall emergency announcement is taking place now is because of a divine timing that must be followed as universal laws have certain priorities of issues that must be dealt with in a specific order.

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david starling

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ynnest said:
Actually Donald Trump has spiritual authority to bring through his purpose regardless of all ”Pet beliefs” that democrats have about him.
So in one sense he is very much like a king as he is a highly advanced soul who have taken on this heavy mission and burden on his shoulders.

Why the Wall emergency announcement is taking place now is because of a divine timing that must be followed as universal laws have certain priorities of issues that must be dealt with in a specific order.

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If this incarnation of the Anti-Christ does manage to get his Wall constructed, an incarnation of Joshua will trump it and bring it down.
 
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ynnest

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david starling said:
If this incarnation of the Anti-Christ does manage to get his Wall constructed, an incarnation of Joshua will trump it and bring it down.
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”I am Joshua and I know my servants.”

You democrats who have gathered bad karma from slandering Trump for years in your ignorance are simply grumpy about the fact that you now are responsible for your
own mistakes and projections.

Trump is the true saviour in his own very way and it is my advice that people own up for their mistakes and false assumptions that they have had about Trump rather than feel ashamed of it and spreading that shame on everyone around them.

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