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Awsome!!! Yes, that interpretation is very accurate.


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This is interesting because it indicates a development of your self personally out of your relationships with others, and this being accomplished by some sort of inner, artistic? structure.
Also is interesting that the one who is hepling me building this artistic and inner structure has sun in libra conjunct my saturn and Nadir.

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Now that I have my rectified birth chart, are there any specific indicators of musical talent? My first house Aries stellium, perhaps?

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I think Elianah would agree that you would make a good Shofar blower if you were Jewish.

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Although I would never wish any harm to befall my zodiac mascot, I must admit that was a very clever answer! :mrgreen:

Shofar- A trumpet made of a ram's horn, blown by the ancient Hebrews during religious ceremonies and as a signal in battle, now sounded in the synagogue during Rosh Hashanah and at the end of Yom Kippur.

EDIT: Here are my updated fifth and seventh harmonic charts in case anyone wants to take a peek

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Like I said to Mary, Moon conjunct ASc is an common aspect I see in charts of musicians. That the moon is the leading planet of that stellium is pretty significant too.

Your Pallas in now int he 12th - that only adds tot he Neptunian quality fo that asteriod in your chart.'

Your Netpune, which is in the 10th, and though not orb-conjunct with your MC, still influences your MC as well as both the planets it conjunct, Satrrun and Uranus.

Gem Mars in the 3rd also could be an impetus to express yourself and communicate. With your strong 1st house Arian stellium (need to express oneself, as well as be intense, make impact and be the focus of attention) plus a Neptunian colored MC and a very Piscean Pallas, it seem music would a very likely avenue of self-expression for you. And like for Mary with her Tarean Sun, music would be a source of self-validation for your Arian Sun - for a Taurus this would be more about aesthetics and the "inner" qualities of music, whereas with Aries, it's more about getting people's attention and making them notice you for who you are and what you are capble of doing.
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I would absolutely love to revitalize this thread...do we have any other musicans on the forums who have not yet provided their natal data here?

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...do we have any other musicans on the forums who have not yet provided their natal data here?
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Really, I would be pretty surprised if there are any astrology enthusiasts who completely lack musical talent!

I think the same energies that make a person want to "listen" to the "other side" are the same ones that make them hear the music life has to offer! Do you see the "music" in my chart? :roll:

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Really, I would be pretty surprised if there are any astrology enthusiasts who completely lack musical talent!
Yes, I completely agree! That's exactly why I wanted to start up this thread again!

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C Jayne - yes you're probably on to something. Specifically, seeing astrology is linked to both Neptune and Uranus, and these two planets and their corresponding signs are often linked to music, it seems logical to think there's a overlap.

Anyhow, I haven't posted my data here yet:

June 15, 1971
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In case anyone wants to look at my chart. I have had a life long consuming love for music. I had most of Simon and Garfunkel's songs memorized by the time I was 5. I taught myself to play piano and read music at 8, started playing woodwinds at 9, and taught myself rock and classical guitar starting when I was 15. It was my childhood dream to be a professional musician, which never panned out, despite my efforts. I have a BA in jazz guitar, and I can play guitar (various styles), clarinet, flute, sax, piano/keyboard, Renaissance lute, bass (electric and upright) and viola/violin. I can also sing (2nd alto). I have played in rock/punk bands, jazz bands and duos/trios, chamber ensembles, brass and woodwind bands, marching bands, orchestras, early music ensembles, choruses, church choirs and Gregorian chant choirs. I also write and compose my own music, which, since I am not currently performing, I am doing a fair amount of lately.
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Thank you for posting your chart, Lunar Pisces! This is rather synchronistic, as I have been searching for several members' natal data--including yours--for most of today!

Here is your natal chart...I will also post some key harmonic charts when I get the chance



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In case anyone wants to look at my chart...
Interesting. Notice that this chart has that same thing Empath's chart has -- Mercury conjunct Midheaven. She's a Seer. Oh, and also, Chiron opposite Uranus -- there's a whole thread about this -- only Lunar Pisces is not even the same generation as some of us, so it's not because he/she is from the same generation. :roll:

Where's Lilith and Ceres? I'm trying to learn how to use them.

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Don't worry, I'm not from the same generation as many other forum members either, yet I also have a loose Uranus/Chiron opposition

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Wow! What a great post on musical talent. I enjoyed reading them, and find this intriguing. I suppose with a stellium in Leo (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Saturn, MC (conjunt Algenubi and Praesaepe), Ceres, it would seem performing would be my thing (at least I've been told from others), but I find it difficult to express and show my creative side for the fear as I fear of being judged. It's that darn Saturn in my natal chart, but I don't think one planet can really exert so much influence. What are some aspects that indicate anxiety on stage? If I perform in front of strangers I get major butterflies and tense up. Any comments on my chart?

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Ace,

You have Mars (being, also action) square (energy needs to be combined with) Moon (home, also emotions), which can indicate feeling emotional tension when doing things. Just remember all you need to do is to get your nervous "butterflies" to "fly in formation". USE your nervous energy in your performances, channel it into your performances and let it come out as passion! If the talent in performing is there, don't let a case of the nerves keep you from doing what you want to do. It is common for talented musicians to get VERY nervous before a performance and then to become more relaxed and "in control" once they actually get out on stage and start using their energy!

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It is common for talented musicians to get VERY nervous before a performance and then to become more relaxed and "in control" once they actually get out on stage and start using their energy!
Oh boy, is it ever...I completely agree with you, Tim! :mrgreen:

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Thanks Tim....very good advice...a better way to channel my nervousness into something something positive and infectious onstage. I'll have to just keep that in mind more often.
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Ace--

Your Ascendant in Scorpio conjuncts mine, and, like mine, yours opposes Jupiter in Taurus (mine's in the 6th, yours is in the 7th). Now, wouldn't you think this would make us adventurous?

Our Leo Midheavens even conjunct!

I feel absolutely naked when people listen to me play piano. I mostly only play in front of my husband. In social situations, I am a nudist -- I simply don't know how to keep my boundaries up! I think it's some kind of weird combination of that Scorpio (intensely--) Jupiter (honest and sincere) thing.

Also, I think you're right about Saturn. Your stelium/grouping isn't going to act like a normal stellium with Saturn in there. I know someone who has Scorpio Asc/ Leo Midheaven, but he has Saturn in Leo, and gets very uptight about making a scene or getting attention -- although he frequently does make scenes but is apparently unaware of it! ops:

Your Mars, in Virgo, is modest, which doesn't exactly promote Leo abilities.

My husband has a stellium in Cancer -- you'd think he'd be the one who doesn't like to get attention -- but for him, sharing music is all about sharing. It is his gift. He can tolerate the butterflies and use that energy to his advantage. For me, it's limp arms and shakey hands -- not just butterflies. I forget about the music and can't think of anything except people seeing into my soul.

I think it makes very good sense for you to be how you are. I'm sure there are other things you can do which other people cannot do. :roll:
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C Jayne, because of the speed at which both Chiron and Uranus, a good number of people have that aspect.

If you were asking about my Ceres and Lilith:

BM Lilith - 29 Virgo, 1H
Asteriod Lilith - 1 Libra, 1H

In addition to being conjunt with each other, they are conjunct both my 1H Pluto and 1H Uranus singelton. They also trine my Venus/Saturn conjunction and square my Sun and Eros (29 Gem). The asteriod Iris conjuncts my asteriod Lilith exactly, too, which i find pretty interesting.


Ceres - 21 Gemini, 10H

In addition to being conjunct my Sun and Mercury, it is also conjunct the transneptunian planet Vulcan (18 Gem) - perhaps this is why I dig Star Trek so much? LOL.

BTW, C Jayne, about my MC: yeah, I could be called a seer, or a mystic or a psychic (in addition to the Mercury matter, I have Pisces moon + a Neptune singleton), although these "gifts" are ones I readily advertise or exploit for my ego. I would never, never consider using these gifts to make money. I am, also, Female.

Another very interesting thing about my MC is the trans-Pluto planet Anubis conjuncts it within less than one degree - such a close conjunction to an angle make it a pretty signi ificant influence in my chart. Anubis is the early Egyptian god of the Dead, the god who guided souls into the afterlife and judged them. So naturally, this planet is associated with death, in particular mystical sight or a fascination/preoccupation regarding death. Also, Anubis possesses the gift of "soul reading" (very Plutonian), which is the ability to discern the virtue or moral worth of a soul, and is concerned with spiritual justice, justice that transcends the mortal world and carries over into the afterlife. Without getting into too much detail, I'll say all above's a decent fit for me.

Anubis is also associated with alchemy, divination and the occult, so this is actually an astrology-friendly body. Some people, like some Vedic astrologers, want to interpret Anubis as predominatly malefic, which I think is rather skewed, seeing Anubis in myth wasn't malefic, albiet very powerful. Nonetheless, he was seen more of a "friend" or "guide" to the dead than a "ruler." Anubis in astrology has a very Plutonian quality, and can be associated with both the positive and negative sides of Pluto, such as transformation and destruction - the two possible, extreme outcomes of one's confrontation of the truth oneself and of the cosmos.
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Hey Jayne,

Very cool! I figured I should have some connections with the people here on this forum. It's funny I remember when taking a piano course back in high school and felt great to perform with the class, but once the attention was on me, I just froze up and my body would go into a nervous breakdown. I guess with that Mars in Virgo, I wanted to be a perfectionist and hated the fact that I would sometimes make mistakes in front of others. I feel most comfortable to perform alone and practice till I know I got everything down right before going up to showcase it. Even in a an acting course, I made sure my soliloquy was spot on by looking in the mirror and making sure I was able to reach the audience. In the end, it was worth it. I was invited by the teacher to perform it at this "acting party".

I feel there are those two sides to me though with that Scorpio alter-ego. I fall between extremes. Being a goof and the comedic relief in front of friends and then clam up and be the caasual observer in a large crowd. I prefer to be a fly on the wall in this situation... haha...
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Hey Arian and others

I think musical talents are partially genetical and conditional.

Beethoven - Beethoven showed remarkable talent at an early age. His father, a court musician, subjected him to a brutal regimen, hoping to exploit him as a child prodigy

Mozart - father was a composer and violinist

enrique Eglesias - his father is legendary Julio Eglesias, Julio Eglesias mother has musical background in her family

Niccolò Paganini - his father was a violinist

Sarah Brightman's parents are extremly musical inclined people.

I am not talking studio edited or mechanically enhanced voices.

I dont know if this is true but in Italy, most women sing when they are doing domestic chores. They are not famous but their voices are conditioned to sing well because they hear it by their grandmas, relatives, neighbors singing all the time.

In my family, everyone is deaf on a ear. No one can sing. My mom attempts singing but it is like listneing to piano that went bad. My neice who is a daughter of my cousin brother ... if she sings, RUN for your life!
My x's family has no musical background. If you heard my x sing, LOL god save your soul. I swear....
I do not know my blood whatever you want to call them but since I was a kid, I was singing with no coaching. I cannot say that i can write music or lyrics cause i usually have nothing to say but I can sing. Music came very easy for me.. My ear catches words and songs in different languages. I am not bragging but the other day i was listening to one cool song in spanish. I dont know spanish at all. Within 2 hours i was singng that song in spanish. And the strangest thing is when I sing I see text of the song in my head. I dont remember it.. it is like i am readng off my memory. The only language i have a problem with is French. I dont know how to read in french. Italian songs are okay i can handle them. One song I would love to sing to a perfection is Time to say good bye. It has Incredibly difficult pitch and vocal ranges. On top of that, i run out of air in my lungs prematurely. I should have been a singer or something like that but my grandparents were sick so no one had time for me.

My mom's friend's song is an incredible world wide known violinist. His parents were not into music but his mom did not have a chance to be a musician. She has it in her blood though. This guy is so amazing that oneof the conductors in Japan gave him a backyard of his house and built a house for the violinist.

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Re: Indicators of Musical Talent in a Natal Chart

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I would absolutely love to revitalize this thread...do we have any other musicans on the forums who have not yet provided their natal data here?

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What a fascinating thread! I played a musical intrument in my teens, but gave up because I thought it wasn't "cool" and I was just three exams off from qualifying as a teacher! Music moves my soul in ways that nothing else does. I have been considering taking music lessons again (at the age of 37!)

My 5th harmonic chart shows a yod using Sun (Sag) sextile Pluto (Libra)with Venus (Taurus) as the apex.

Ceres conjuncts my sun in my natal chart and Pallas conjuncts my Ascendant (012a). POF conjuncts my Asc (226)



and hereunder is my 7th Harmonic chart:


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Re: Indicators of Musical Talent in a Natal Chart

Interestingly, I have Neptune conjunct Moon in the 7th Harmonic whereas in my natal chart, my Moon conjuncts the sun making it unable to feel. Perhaps thats why music moves me... I'm able to get in touch with my emotional side through the music..Natallhy I have 7 air signs and no water signs
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Re: Indicators of Musical Talent in a Natal Chart

Neptune squares Venus in both charts...what a difficult aspect between these two planets! Perhaps this was the reason I gave up playing music...

Does anyone else share this in their harmonic / natal charts?

ETA: Venus squares Neptune in my natal chart too

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Re: Indicators of Musical Talent in a Natal Chart

Bumping this thread up... anyone able to help with this question?
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Re: Indicators of Musical Talent in a Natal Chart

Since the 7th grade, I've wanted desperately to have natural musical talent. I've been playing guitar for about two years but didn't actually started practicing until May or so. I like singing a lot but I'm not all that amazing at it. I'd like to think I'm pretty good though. Also, I have an excellent sense of rhythm, but I'm generally awkward when it comes to doing choreography.

Does my chart say anything about musical talent? I have a pisces MC which could indicate musical talent, but I don't really know of any other factors that could imply said talent.

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