johnstevens
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Especially Saturn in the fifth house?
Restricts,blocks, delays, denies, is this correct?
Restricts,blocks, delays, denies, is this correct?
Especially Saturn in the fifth house?
Restricts,blocks, delays, denies, is this correct?
'....Therefore, the nature of Saturn is cold, dry, melancholic, dark, of heavy harshness.Saturn is sometimes about old matters, tradition, black magic
and superstition.
Let me read some significations of Saturn when controlling the soul
according to Ptolemy:
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but if his position is the opposite and without dignity, he makes them sordid, petty, mean-spirited, indifferent, mean-minded, malignant, cowardly, diffident, evil-speakers, solitary, tearful, shameless, superstitious, fond of toil, unfeeling, devisers of plots against their friends, gloomy, taking no care of the body.
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Saturn, allied with Jupiter... superstitious, frequenters of shrines
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Allied with Venus in honourable positions Saturn makes his subjects haters of women, lovers of antiquity, solitary, unpleasant to meet, unambitious, hating the beautiful, envious, stern in social relations, not companionable, of fixed opinions, prophetic, given to the practice of religious rites, lovers of mysteries and initiations, performers of sacrificial rites, mystics, religious addicts, but dignified and reverent, modest, philosophical, faithful in marriage,
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...os/3D*.html#13
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/3D*.html#13
Saturn seems quite religious to Ptolemy.
Or maybe it is more cultural you know. At the place and time of Ptolemy, almost all cults involved sacrifices, and everyone was more or less involved in such, especially cults of rulers. That is why over half of the personality results in the chapter involve religion, Saturn and Mercury more than others, Jupiter is related to religion in moderation, as it fits dignified people.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=920697#post920697It also disciplines and teaches.
It isn't necessarily dire.
Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part II - Seven Stars
Saturn completes 2 sidereal cycles and 57 synodic cycles with 59 years.
It has retreating arcs of 7 degrees for 140 days.
Saturn is cooling and moderately drying, malefic, masculine and diurnal. Phainon makes those born under him dark-skinned, robust, black-haired, curly-haired, hairy-chested, and with eyes of moderate size, middling stature, having excess of cold and moist when morning rising, and dark, slender, small, straight-haired, with little bodily hair, rather graceful, black-eyed, having excess of cold and dry when evening rising, and in general, annoying, concealing, avaricious, ignorant, consistent, reserved, petty, malicious, having many anxieties, throwing themselves down, fond of solitude, deceitful, downcast, hypocritical, squalid, clothed in black, deviant, importunate, sullen and miserable. Saturn controls depressions and sluggishness, obstacles in business, interminable lawsuits, subversion of action, secrets, restraints, imprisonment, grief, accusations, tears, being orphaned, captivity, haunting, farmers, gardeners, workers of property, managers, seafaring and waterside trades, tax collectors, the elders, violent action, guardianship, great reputation, notable ranks, lands, administration of that which belongs to others, fathership of the children of others, bachelors, widows, childlessness, violent deaths by water, strangulation, dysentery, falling on the face, injuries and lower respiratory infections, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system, building materials like wood and stone, lead, dark colours and astringent tastes. It chronocrator over late old age up to death.
Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Ptolemy/Tetrabiblos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf
An aspect that people most often ignore is that Saturn was considered a feminine planet. This was left obscure in history due to a strict anti-female bias, because what man can stand the fact that a woman, out of all things, is the one to deny them of their goals and desires?
Saturn in 5th, is indeed a sexual placement, and Saturn acts as a dominatrix to deny you of what you secretly desire the most: the feminine touch. The more you fight and yearn it, the more she tightens her grip and control over you, and crack the whip if you misbehave. Maybe the issue is that you try to control Saturn, or that you try to overpower her, which is a defeating mindset. Rather than trying to control her, let her control you and guide you--sometimes it's all about enjoying yourself.
Do you know what Saturn rules? Dungeons and lairs, dark caverns, cellars and basements. She also rules leather, belts, harnesses, ropes, and chains, and also fences and walls. What does the 5th house rule? "... is ruled by dramatic Leo, and it governs self-expression...attention, romance, sex, conception, fertility, fun and play (Ruled by Leo) source" What about Leo? The sign is associated with jungles, wild places, predators. Here we can see a picture starting to form, by meshing the rulerships and what they represent.
Saturn's harsh personality, dominating the house of attention, romance, "fun," and "play," takes on a serious tone. The fun and play becomes more of Saturn's nature: strict, rigid, and serious. In the house of Leo, traditionally called a bestial sign known for its ferocity and wildness, play takes on a different tone. It becomes rigid, serious, and inherently about power/human limitations, as Saturn rules such things. Even eunuchs, are part of Saturn's rulership. That should be a clue. Saturn's a harsh mistress and she's placed a chastity belt on you. You haven't felt a woman's touch, as Saturn's dominatrix personality prevents you. Saturn deals with harsh lessons and she's not one to be trifled with.
The Moon was considered masculine in Ancient Sumeria. The word "Sun" is from a feminine version. The deity representing the Heavens was feminine in ancient Egypt, and they considered the Earth masculine.
Never heard of Saturn being considered feminine, though.
My dear, you have to hone your senses of hearing. Hearing is a passive activity.
Secrets do not come to those who actively seek it, and certainly not to those who attempt to probe mother nature in such an agressive way by stripping her of her veil and thus her mysteries. "Never" is an aggressive word. However, google is free to use, for now.
https://studentofastrology.com/2016/02/saturn-as-feminine-part-one/
Listen, with an earnest heart, and her veil will come off naturally. This is the balance of the universe.
for exampleWhat is the ascendant?
Saturn’s lordship, where is it positioned
and aspects in the natal horoscope matters...
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The following tableThis is interesting: I'm female, (apparently)
undatable though oft-followed by guys I don't respond to.
Saturn in the 5th House is the handle to the bucket of my House placements. I have 4 planets (Sun, Pluto, ruler Mercury and Uranus) in the 12th in Virgo, Virgo Asc.
I thought this Stellium, and the Moon square Pluto
and several other things, was the source of my "serious" and lonely life,
but apparently I've overlooked the Saturn effect!
Dang.
So what are the general rules on Saturn?
Especially Saturn in the fifth house?
Restricts,blocks, delays, denies, is this correct?Generally speaking, Saturn denies or restricts, bringing 'what' (planet) he means into the domain (house/where) to be represented 'how' by what the 'sign' he tenants by script, reflects.