The Tropical Ages of Earth

david starling

Well-known member
The constellations are invisible during Sunlight hours, so if visibility is required for an astrological effect, they are "off-line" wherever it is daytime .

The sidereal Sign-boundaries are always invisible, because they are calculated, based on deliberately constructed, measured, 30 degree intervals.

Whereas, the constellations themselves are of unequal length and distribution.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
*

The VP aka VERNAL POINT

has been in the constellation of Pisces
for two thousand years or more
and remains in the constellation of Pisces :smile:
This is why most astrologers claim we remain in the Age of Pisces.
Most research astrologers
accept the zodiacal constellations as symbolic markers
only for the 12 sidereal signs of exactly 30 degrees each.
The sidereal zodiac was invented by the ancient Greeks
(or Babylonian astrologers)
to tidy up the zodiacal constellations
in their evolving practice of horoscopic astrology.

This video details the massive mistake made over 2,000 years ago
that incorrectly calibrates the astrological ages
with an error of around 1,100 years too late.

Based
on the incorrect method, the Age of Aquarius arrives
around 2600 AD

while the correct method

has the arrival date in the 15th century AD :smile:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmYtxMcuNf0&feature=youtu.be
This adds yet ANOTHER opinion concerning the many, widely varying start-dates for the retrograde sidereal Ages.

In contrast, the direct-motion tropical Ages depend on astronomy rather than on astrological opinion for their start-dates.


Unfortunately for astrologers over the following period
(equivalent to the length of an age),
Hipparchus failed to realize that
the old zodiacal constellations had a much older method of calibration :smile:

The older method of calibrating the zodiacal constellations
is a visual technique.
All old astronomical techniques were visual
—mathematics took an insignificant role in ancient astronomy.
Hipparchus did not use the ages-old visual technique
as he was obviously transfixed by the new mathematical techniques
developed in his era.

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Unfortunately for astrologers over the following period
(equivalent to the length of an age),
Hipparchus failed to realize that
the old zodiacal constellations had a much older method of calibration :smile:

The older method of calibrating the zodiacal constellations
is a visual technique.
All old astronomical techniques were visual
—mathematics took an insignificant role in ancient astronomy.
Hipparchus did not use the ages-old visual technique
as he was obviously transfixed by the new mathematical techniques
developed in his era.

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That doesn't affect the tropical Ages for today's astrologers, who do use exact, non-visual calculations for a variety of important points, including the Angles and the Nodes.
Rumen Kolev wrote Some Reflections about Babylonian Astrology :smile:

In this paper
Kolev explains the five basic principles
applied to ancient astronomy techniques in Babylon.

In summary, three of these principles
state the visible light directly received from a stellar object
was of primary concern, as the ancients believed “God is Light.”
In those days, the view of the heavens by the unaided eye
was the only method of determining astronomical phenomena.

The other two principles are
that the two key times for astronomical observations
are around Sunrise and Sunset



http://www.babylonianastrology.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=54


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The constellations are invisible during Sunlight hours, so if visibility is required for an astrological effect, they are "off-line" wherever it is daytime .

The sidereal Sign-boundaries are always invisible, because they are calculated, based on deliberately constructed, measured, 30 degree intervals.

Whereas, the constellations themselves are of unequal length and distribution.
In ancient time
the telescope was preceded by the line of the horizon
and Neugebauer states that
Babylonian astronomers
were mainly concerned about astronomical phenomena on the horizon :smile:

For example, a major Babylonian text dated 1400–1000 BCE
supplies the heliacal rising dates of thirty-four stars
and constellations
according to their 360-day annual calendar.
In ancient Upper Egypt
the heliacal rising of the star Sirius
marked the beginning of the year.


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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
What's your opinion concerning the modern-day tropical Zodiac
being used by most Western Modernistic
and Traditionalistic astrologers?
as I mentioned earlier :smile:

*

The VP aka VERNAL POINT

has been in the constellation of Pisces
for two thousand years or more
and remains in the constellation of Pisces :smile:
This is why most astrologers claim we remain in the Age of Pisces.
Most research astrologers
accept the zodiacal constellations as symbolic markers
only for the 12 sidereal signs of exactly 30 degrees each.
The sidereal zodiac was invented by the ancient Greeks
(or Babylonian astrologers)
to tidy up the zodiacal constellations
in their evolving practice of horoscopic astrology.

This video details the massive mistake made over 2,000 years ago
that incorrectly calibrates the astrological ages
with an error of around 1,100 years too late.

Based
on the incorrect method, the Age of Aquarius arrives
around 2600 AD

while the correct method

has the arrival date in the 15th century AD :smile:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmYtxMcuNf0&feature=youtu.be
 

david starling

Well-known member
In order to accept the premise that there are tropical Ages, one must also accept that the tropical Zodiac itself is a valid form of astrology.

If one disqualifies the tropical Zodiac as a valid form of astrology, then one has no valid reason for posting on this thread, which is entirely based on the premise that the use of the tropical Zodiac is a valid form of astrology.
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
What's your opinion concerning the modern-day tropical Zodiac
being used by most Western Modernistic
and Traditionalistic astrologers?
In order to accept the premise that there are tropical Ages, one must also accept that the tropical Zodiac itself is a valid form of astrology.

If one disqualifies the tropical Zodiac as a valid form of astrology, then one has no valid reason for posting on this thread, which is entirely based on the premise that the use of the tropical Zodiac is a valid form of astrology.
obviously astrologers use different zodiacs


as I mentioned earlier :smile:

*

The VP aka VERNAL POINT

has been in the constellation of Pisces
for two thousand years or more
and remains in the constellation of Pisces :smile:
This is why most astrologers claim we remain in the Age of Pisces.
Most research astrologers
accept the zodiacal constellations as symbolic markers
only for the 12 sidereal signs of exactly 30 degrees each.
The sidereal zodiac was invented by the ancient Greeks
(or Babylonian astrologers)
to tidy up the zodiacal constellations
in their evolving practice of horoscopic astrology.

This video details the massive mistake made over 2,000 years ago
that incorrectly calibrates the astrological ages
with an error of around 1,100 years too late.

Based
on the incorrect method, the Age of Aquarius arrives
around 2600 AD

while the correct method

has the arrival date in the 15th century AD :smile:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmYtxMcuNf0&feature=youtu.be
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
Well, this particular thread is about the tropical form of Zodiac. The constellations play no role in determining the "Tropical Ages of Earth".
I'm going to describe how I was led to design the Tropical Age method I'm now using in my Tropical Charts, and how the development unfolded. Given the importance many of us ascribe to the "Ages" as an Astrological concept, it's a vital topic. I welcome discussion and criticism, as long as it's mostly about this particular method. I say that, because I've noticed that when I've described it in other posts and Threads, there's a tendency to switch over to other Age methods while ignoring this one. There are two that interrelate--the Sidereal Ages and the Yugas, but I'll be keeping the focus on these Tropical Ages.
One valid criticism is that they are Western oriented, and appear to apply mainly to the Western historical line, that runs from Ancient Sumeria through Ancient Egypt, the Greco-Romans, and now, the Christian/Modern-scientific culture of the Western world. But given the enormous influence of this culture, which has spread worldwide, affecting the entire planet, I don't personally believe that disqualifies them from being termed "The Tropical Ages of Earth".
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Anyway, so at the time "the Song" came out, I was just learning to draw Tropical Charts, and I knew a fair amount about the nature of the Signs. Especially Pisces, because I have so many placements there. I immediately related to the Aquarian Age, on an intuitive basis. But Pisces made no sense to me whatsoever as the Age that was ending, so I started to question the methodology. A group of Sidereal Astrologers, followers of the Fagan-Bradley school, voiced his complaint rather loudly--one of them was interviewed on a radio show--that Tropicalists have no business claiming a Tropical Aquarian Age, because there wasn't one; that only Siderealism has Astrological Ages. I saw the logic in that, because the Age Indicator being used, was the same Astronomical point as the one used to locate the first point of Tropical Aries. That means the entire Tropical Zodiac rotates through the Sidereal, and didn't have any way of telling us about Tropical Ages at all. Now, Cyril Fagan wasn't a promoter of the Aquarian Age, even though he could have used it to his advantage. And these Siderealists weren't promoting it either--they were just criticizing Tropicalists for being inconsistent: They were rejecting Siderealism for drawing Charts, and then claiming it for this extremely attractive, and purportedly powerful new Age. They were also ignoring the Sidereal settings, and choosing their own Sidereal-Sign locations as they saw fit, based entirely on when they believed the Aquarian Age would start, based on mundane events.
Fagan's problem with the Age method they were using was very honest and straightforward. He saw the Age of Pisces (according to the Tropicalists) as an Age of Aries. He saw the Age of Aries, preceding it, as an Age of Taurus. Which meant to him, that the Tropicalists' version of the Aquarian Age would be equivalent to an Age of Pisces.
So, I simply proposed a hypothetical: What if there IS a Tropical Age sequence, somehow related to the Tropical version of the Sidereal Ages, but Tropicalists weren't bothered enough by their inconsistency to bother looking for it? I took the Aquarian Age as the link, with the underlying sense that the REASON Tropicalists have been so convinced of an upcoming Aquarian Age even though it's "not their zodiac", is, that they have an Aquarian Age of their own. After that, I just followed the clues. And, following the advice of Sherlock Holmes, I "eliminated the impossible", and went with "the improbable": Both Tropical and Sidereal have an Aquarian Age within the same timeframe.
"The Earth is not a planet...." -{petosiris}. :biggrin:
Let's view petosiris actual comment :smile:

The Earth is not a planet (a wanderer like the Sun, Moon or the other five stars) in astrology
it is the center of the universe.
Exactly - as petosiris mentioned
within the obvious context of a Geocentric astrological chart
the earth is not a wanderer like Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn :smile:
because
The Earth is a Geocentric observation point for astrological charts
and as such
the ascendant of an astrological chart
is the ascendant of Earth itself
therefore
clearly
obviously therefore
ridiculous to expect to observe Earth orbiting its own skies above its own horizon :smile:

IN CONTRAST

from our Geocentric perspective
seven classical planets reflecting light from the Sun
are easily observable above Earths horizon
whereas obviously
Earth is not separately visible in its own skies above Earths own horizon :smile:

A HISTORICAL NOTE FOLLOWS

Before artificial aids to vision
such as spectacles, binoculars, telescopes, Hubble Telescope, Observatories,
the Ancient utilised simple naked eye observation :smile:
to view local night skies
These Ancients noted celestial objects easily visible with the naked eye
that in fact have been observed for all of human history:
Technically,
there was never a scientific definition of the term Planet before 2006.

Greeks observing skies thousands of years ago
noticed celestial objects acting differently from Fixed Stars.
These points of light seemed to wander around the sky throughout the year.
hence the Greek term "planet" from the Greek word "Planetes"
- meaning wanderer.
i.e.
The sun and moon weren't mistaken for planets.
Under the old definition, they are planets.
Planets are stars that wander, not stars that are fixed.
The nodes are eclipse points,
and the ascendant is the point on the eastern horizon.
They're both mathematical markers.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=622432#post622432
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117493
The word "planet" originally evolved from the Greek "planetes aster"
or "wandering star"
and referred to the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter, Mars, and Saturn
whose motion could be detected against the backdrop of fixed stars
that are stable in their relative distance from one another
but all move together as one large group.
The subject of Astrology is about unseen influences on our psyches.
For interpreting these influences, the most revealing
are those that are at the heart of our being:
The Earth, the Sun, the Moon, and
the Point of Sunrise in any given location.
Since we are located ON Earth
obviously then Earth itself is of major importance to those located on Earth :smile:

the Point of Sunrise is created by Earth rotating on its own axis

and
in fact
there is a form of astrology
known as THE SUNRISE CHART
that is frequently utilised when no reliable time of birth is available
https://lienhard4astrology.wordpress.com/sun-rising-chart/
So, petosiris is half-right in my opinion, concerning whether the Earth is a "planet".
Objectively speaking it is, but not in the same sense as in the purely subjective view.
reviewing petosiris actual comment we find the following observation :smile:
The Earth is not a planet (a wanderer like the Sun, Moon or the other five stars) in astrology
it is the center of the universe.
Exactly because planet is derived from a Greek word "wanderer"


The Earth is a Geocentric observation point for astrological charts
within the context of a Geocentric astrological chart
the earth is not a wanderer like Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn
and as such
the ascendant of an astrological chart
is the ascendant of Earth itself
therefore
ridiculous to claim ability to observe Earth orbiting its own skies above its own horizon :smile:

clearly

Earth is not separately visible in its own skies above Earths own horizon


HISTORICALLY
to view local night skies
Ancient utilised simple naked eye observation
NOT spectacles, binoculars, telescopes, Hubble Telescope, Observatories :smile:

These Ancients noted celestial objects easily visible with the naked eye
that in fact have been observed for all of human history:
Technically there was never a scientific definition
of the term Planet before 2006.
Planet is a word derived from Ancient Greek
because, when Greeks noticed particular celestial objects
acting differently from Fixed Stars
seeming to wander around the sky throughout the year
the Greeks identified these points of light as "Planetes" aka 'wanderers'
It is not simply a coordinate system. We are actually standing on Earth.
Exactly :smile:

The Challenge was issued by a follower of Cyril Fagan, the "Father of Modern-siderealism": "If you tropicalists want to promote an Age of Aquarius, then get your own, and leave ours alone!" This was on a radio program in 1979, when the Age of Aquarius was still a popular topic, including the belief that it would begin in the year 2000. I agreed with him, and set about trying to find one.
I read Fagan's own view of the Ages, which clearly delineated the fact that to have an Age, it has to have an Age-indicator that moves through the Signs. And, obviously, the First Point of tropical Aries, which is the point being used to predict an upcoming, sidereal Aquarian Age, can't logically be expected to move through the the other tropical Signs!
Smoking and awaiting Aquarius for that long? Dayum, son. :aquarius:
 

david starling

Well-known member
As I've already explained, I was led to the AS YET UNKNOWN tropical Ages by following the lead of what had ALREADY been written about the sidereal Ages.

NOW, this far into this thread, the sidereal Ages are a SEPARATE MATTER, just a "jumping off point" as far as this thread is concerned.
 
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david starling

Well-known member
Actually, I should start a new thread about sidereal Ages only. And then I'd welcome anything about those Ages you care to post!
 
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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
The constellations are invisible during Sunlight hours,

so if visibility is required for an astrological effect,
they are "off-line" wherever it is daytime .
obviously
clearly
the constellations ARE visible on opposite hemisphere to "Sunlight Hours"
aka a Daytime Chart - WHEN SUN IS ABOVE HORIZON
HOWEVER
in "Some Reflections about Babylonian Astrology"
Rumen Kolev explains ancient astronomy techniques in Babylon.


In those days, the view of the heavens by the unaided eye
was the only method of determining astronomical phenomena
AND THE TWO KEY TIMES FOR ASTRONOMICAL OBSERVATIONS
ARE AROUND SUNRISE AND SUNSET
obviously
clearly
constellations ARE visible around sunrise and sunset :smile:
and also
constellations ARE visible BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE :smile:
 

JUPITERASC

Well-known member
The sidereal Sign-boundaries are always invisible,
because they are calculated, based on deliberately constructed,
measured, 30 degree intervals.
Whereas, the constellations themselves are of unequal length and distribution.
“true helical rising” is
the “visible heliacal rising”
when a star or planet, etc.,
can be seen on the eastern horizon
just before the approaching sunlight obliterates the star
or planet from view.
In most ancient societies, the visible heliacal rising
(or setting)
of a stellar object
was one of the most important calibration techniques
applied to a stellar object.
in contrast
The definition of the “true heliacal rising” is when a star or planet, etc.,
rises with the Sun

but because the Sun is visible the planet or star cannot be seen.
This is the ‘mathematical’ system employed by Hipparchus :smile:

as the position of the Sun in a constellation must be calculated.
thus “true” heliacal rising technique is a ‘modern’ mathematical technique :smile:
probably invented by Hipparchus

video details massive mistake made over 2,000 years ago
that incorrectly calibrates
the astrological ages with an error of around 1,100 years too late.

Based on the incorrect method, the Age of Aquarius arrives around 2600 AD
while the correct method has the arrival date in the 15th century AD :smile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmYt...ature=youtu.be


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david starling

Well-known member
“true helical rising” is
the “visible heliacal rising”
when a star or planet, etc.,
can be seen on the eastern horizon
just before the approaching sunlight obliterates the star
or planet from view.
In most ancient societies, the visible heliacal rising
(or setting)
of a stellar object
was one of the most important calibration techniques
applied to a stellar object.
in contrast
The definition of the “true heliacal rising” is when a star or planet, etc.,
rises with the Sun

but because the Sun is visible the planet or star cannot be seen.
This is the ‘mathematical’ system employed by Hipparchus :smile:

as the position of the Sun in a constellation must be calculated.
thus “true” heliacal rising technique is a ‘modern’ mathematical technique :smile:
probably invented by Hipparchus

video details massive mistake made over 2,000 years ago
that incorrectly calibrates
the astrological ages with an error of around 1,100 years too late.

Based on the incorrect method, the Age of Aquarius arrives around 2600 AD
while the correct method has the arrival date in the 15th century AD :smile:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmYt...ature=youtu.be


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We have very few Western Siderealists in this Community. Perhaps one of them, someone who adheres to the standard method of ayanamsas, measured using the VP (Hipparchian Vernal Point, marked by the Sun at the start of Spring in the Northern Hemisphere) would care to debate the contention that "Hipparchus got it wrong".*

*[Australian sidereal astrologer Terry MacKinnell's opinion.]
 
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JUPITERASC

Well-known member
We have very few Western Siderealists in this Community.

We have no Western Sidereal boards on this forum - Q.E.D. :smile:

Perhaps one of them, someone who adheres to the standard method of aysnamsas,
measured using the VP (Hipparchian Vernal Point, marked
by the Sun at the start of Spring in the Northern Hemisphere)
would care to debate the contention that "Hipparchus got it wrong".*
*[Australian sidereal astrologer Terry MacKinnell's opinion.]
Indeed
many Sidereal Western astrology practitioners
no longer comment on our forum
as there is no Sidereal Western board

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leomoon

Well-known member
David: Someone bought a book that I wrote on Kindle, which made me think to look again at the introduction I gave on Amazon...in case of errors that I noticed. Sometimes, (usually), it takes awhile to edit these properly. For example, today I noticed just in the Amazon 1st chapter which can be read here, that I used "sometime" twice when in actuality, it should have been two words, some time in ancient times, blah blah! :sideways: Irritates me, when others pick this up and I don't before its sold or borrowed on Prime readers.














Anyway, I copied and pasted this part of the Intro, and thought I should ask you whether its even feasible any longer what the original said this was written years ago) The Book is actually titled, "The 3 Moirae and the Fated Life" on Kindle reader and the intro can be read for free.



I just thought I should run this by you because I can still edit it for the future reads.
 
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david starling

Well-known member
David: Someone bought a book that I wrote on Kindle, which made me think to look again at the introduction I gave on Amazon...in case of errors that I noticed. Sometimes, (usually), it takes awhile to edit these properly. For example, today I noticed just in the Amazon 1st chapter which can be read here, that I used "sometime" twice when in actuality, it should have been two words, some time in ancient times, blah blah! :sideways: Irritates me, when others pick this up and I don't before its sold or borrowed on Prime readers.













Anyway, I copied and pasted this part of the Intro, and thought I should ask you whether its even feasible any longer what the original said this was written years ago) The Book is actually titled, "The 3 Moirae and the Fated Life" on Kindle reader and the intro can be read for free.



I just thought I should run this by you because I can still edit it for the future reads.

Well....those are the Precessional Ages that can ONLY be tracked using a sidereal Zodiac. The Age-indicator in the case of the sidereal Ages, as you have described them, is the Vernal Point (VP), marked by the Sun at the beginning of Spring in the Northern hemisphere.

So, step one is to choose how to exactly locate the equal-length sidereal Signs. Step two is to see exactly where the VP is, relative to those Sign-boundaries. Anyone choosing a start-date for a sidereal Age is ALSO choosing a particular setting for the sidereal Signs, because the astronomical location of the VP is a given. And, I haven't seen ANY sidereal astrologers with a Sign-setting that has the VP Age of Pisces beginning any earlier than 221 A.D.

Terry MacKinnell's setting for the sidereal Signs would have had the VP sidereal Age of Pisces beginning about 400 A.D., were it not for his unique use of a measured point 15 degrees in advance of the VP for his Age-indicator. That alone is what moves his start-date for the Aquarian Age half of an Age-length sooner than it would be if he was using the VP itself, like nearly all of the other siderealists in regard to the Ages.

A sidereal Age-length is currently 2148 years, meaning that precession of the VP through the sidereal Zodiac is at the rate of 71.6 years per degree of Retrograde-movement. There is some variation in rate of movement over long periods of time, but that only changes an Age-length by a few years, nothing extreme.

The Song has a poetic, lyrical beginning which has nothing to do with when the sidereal Age of Aquarius will begin. HOWEVER, the rest of the lyrics match up with my own opinion as to what the Aquarian Age will be like.

The BIG question is, whether or not a new Age begins manifesting (which can appropriately be described as "dawning"), at least some of its characteristics before the VP actually ingresses that Age's particular Sign. I believe it obviously can, whereas others believe it's an abrupt, off-or-on beginning, with no effects whatsoever until the actual ingress.

Is your book available in print, or just on the computer?
 
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leomoon

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Thanks David, I learn a lot from reading your posts! :love:
The BIG question is, whether or not a new Age begins manifesting (which can appropriately be described as "dawning"), at least some of its characteristics before the VP actually ingresses that Age's particular Sign. I believe it obviously can, whereas others believe it's an abrupt, off-or-on beginning, with no effects whatsoever until the actual ingress.
Is your book available in print, or just on the computer?


Only on Kindle, as I'm too old to be saddled with leftover hardback books in my life. But they do sell briskly, at least some of the Astrology does and read quite a bit (all) But I know some people, especially our older crowd still loves their libraries in their rooms.



Here is a list and you can see it's rather eclectic reading:


(using this definition of the word)

NOUN


  1. a person who derives ideas, style, or taste from a broad and diverse range of sources.

My Uranus is the only planet above the horizon, elevated in the 11th air house air sign cj. NN. (so is bush' Jr's.) but thats where the similarity ends! He has planets in his 12th and our Nodes are on the other side of the planet Uranus. I also write about him, in a few of these books......:ninja:


https://authorcentral.amazon.com/gp/books
 

leomoon

Well-known member
Cannot recall who wrote this to me - but you may want to consider or have you already considered "Chiron" in your charts?



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Gene highlighted his thoughts on the coming of the Aquarius Age, and the ending of the current Pisces Age. I think he is correct in noting this at this time. Although the Synetic Vernal Point (SVP) which is the tropical 0-point in the sidereal zodiac is now in Pisces, by the year 2012, it will be at 5Pisces and Chiron heading straight for this strong, sensitive point and will be conjoined to it in March 2012 ~ the start of the Astrological Year.

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david starling

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Cannot recall who wrote this to me - but you may want to consider or have you already considered "Chiron" in your charts?



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Chiron's O.K. with me!

It's a bridge, inbetween the orbital paths of the Domicile-ruler of this old tropical Age of Capricorn which is coming to a close, and the Domicile-ruler of the next, new tropical Age of Aquarius which is on the verge of beginning.

:saturn:-->:chiron:-->:uranus:
 

david starling

Well-known member
Since "Chiron" is, literally, the name of the Centaur representative of Sagittarius, the Archer, I consider it to be a type of Sagittarian ruler.
It explains why Sagittarius is capable of being both a Sign of healing, and simultaneously, a Sign of injuries bravely endured.
 
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