Can SOMEONE please help me?!?! anyone?!

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There is a great quote from some Hindu scriptures:

"When I don't know who I am, I serve you.

When I know who I am, I am you."

So Waterbaby, if she's still here, and Mad Architect, how could you have a problem with service? There are all types of service activities, ranging from low-paying work in the "servant sector" to volunteering through a local charity or service club, to work in public service (civil servants,) or military service. There is also simply the friendly hug when needed, a hand up, a kind word that makes someone's day. It doesn't have to be official.

If you feel angry at the prospect of being beneficial to others, is this your ego (sun) talking?

With the ego-erasing properties of the 12th house, how well is avoiding service to others going for you? How well is Me-ism going for you?

Each house gives us some options. We can personify its best qualities or its more negative ones. I should re-state that the 12th house also relates to people in monestaries or convents-- they may have taken vows that isolate them from society.

Rabbi Hillel wrote, "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? But if I am only for myself, who am I? If not now, when?"

Ethics of the Fathers, 1:14

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all due respect but the way in which that was worded made me super angry hahaha the planets impel not compel


I am not avoiding servitude because its not in my nature to be a servant.

I have also got a moon in scorpio and my mars and mercury are in aquarius.

I've reached a point in the past few days of understanding it isnt as black and white as bowing down to people - yet you seem so personally wounded at our lack of desire to adhere to these parameters the universe seemingly set for us?

why is this?

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I think because you have a very independent nature, you are reacting against the word "serving", but as you probably realised by now, it can have many meanings. Even people who work in shops are serving others. I'm sure you will find whatever is right for you to do.

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I love your spirit, waterbaby!!

Love,

A fellow anti-authoritarian

^_^

Re: 12th house stellium. I don't want to f****** serve people.

waybread said:

There is a great quote from some Hindu scriptures:

"When I don't know who I am, I serve you.

When I know who I am, I am you."

So Waterbaby, if she's still here, and Mad Architect, how could you have a problem with service? There are all types of service activities, ranging from low-paying work in the "servant sector" to volunteering through a local charity or service club, to work in public service (civil servants,) or military service. There is also simply the friendly hug when needed, a hand up, a kind word that makes someone's day. It doesn't have to be official.

If you feel angry at the prospect of being beneficial to others, is this your ego (sun) talking?

With the ego-erasing properties of the 12th house, how well is avoiding service to others going for you? How well is Me-ism going for you?

Each house gives us some options. We can personify its best qualities or its more negative ones. I should re-state that the 12th house also relates to people in monestaries or convents-- they may have taken vows that isolate them from society.

Rabbi Hillel wrote, "If I am not for myself, who will be for me? But if I am only for myself, who am I? If not now, when?"

Ethics of the Fathers, 1:14

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i dont know serving others does not work for me,
plus it does not worth the pain to do that

because the majority of society
these days dont appreciate good people or people who treat them good or
"serve" them and help them...

so here comes the 12th house stellium game again

sometimes i feel that i have a very huge distance from society and feel like a "stranger" who does not belong and has nothing in common with society

even though im somehow social and can make easily friends ,
i dont like people that much and im tired of people because it looks like they are all the same= LIARS posers and big egomaniac narcissists

the majority of society these days is filled with liars corrupt- backstabbing ,miserable people

i ve helped and served people a lot from the age of the 15 to 25 and ti know what im saying..



i just prefer being myself .

a nice human being with identity who does not follow the mass
and does not care about society and what people think about him.

i dont care about society ,society can go to hell.....

this is not society its just a matrix...
and yet people dont seem to realize it.

NON SERVIAM. just be yourself ,no need to serve others to find yourself and your identity


you can help others but no need to serve someone you are not slave.



dont let the NON SERVIAM phrase fool you,

im saying NON SERVIAM which means "i will not serve" but this has nothing to do with my religion beliefs

im a christian though

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waterbaby12 said:

all due respect but the way in which that was worded made me super angry hahaha the planets impel not compel


I am not avoiding servitude because its not in my nature to be a servant.

I have also got a moon in scorpio and my mars and mercury are in aquarius.

I've reached a point in the past few days of understanding it isnt as black and white as bowing down to people - yet you seem so personally wounded at our lack of desire to adhere to these parameters the universe seemingly set for us?

why is this?

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that venus influence in your 1st is very obvious though
judging by your profile photo.

You have a very strong 12th house. Your sun is conjunct Saturday and your venus/mercury and venus/mars midpoints are conjunct Saturn and the sun this shows that much of your life experiences are conditioned by social circumstances that you didn't create and of conditions that occurred before your birth. This house is very fatalistic meaning you have to deal with influences not of your making .a large part of your emotional and social circumstances are restricted by
the environment.
This shows you must take small steps to reach you goals. As you get older this patient attitude will bring you greater authority and position

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waterbaby12 said:

all due respect but the way in which that was worded made me super angry hahaha the planets impel not compel


I am not avoiding servitude because its not in my nature to be a servant.

I have also got a moon in scorpio and my mars and mercury are in aquarius.

I've reached a point in the past few days of understanding it isnt as black and white as bowing down to people - yet you seem so personally wounded at our lack of desire to adhere to these parameters the universe seemingly set for us?
why is this?

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This is a complete misreading of my posts. Where did I write about being a "servant" or "servitude" or "bowing down to people"????

These things are different than the principle of service.

Waterbaby, I've probably read thousands of charts for people here and on another forum. Sometimes my advice shows up as tough love, when people are so obviously unhappy yet so obviously unwilling to get out of their morass. If you dislike my posts, I will just have to get over it.

None of this thread is about me personally. When I want astrological feedback about myself, I will start my own thread and ask for it.

But notice your attempt at manipulation and deflection. Notice you have a loaded twelfth house, but apparently no good idea on how to deal with it. You are terribly unhappy, yet unwilling to take the steps to be a blessing to other people.

Really. If you're so smart and have so much self awareness, why aren't you happy?

Re: 12th house stellium. I don't want to f****** serve people.

MadArchitect said:

i dont know serving others does not work for me,
plus it does not worth the pain to do that

because the majority of society
these days dont appreciate good people or people who treat them good or
"serve" them and help them...

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Well, herein lies one problem. We do not serve people in anticipation of any appreciation or gratitude. We serve them because this is the stand we take for ourselves and for the world in which we live.

Since you are a Christian, check out Matthew 5: 46-47

so here comes the 12th house stellium game again

sometimes i feel that i have a very huge distance from society and feel like a "stranger" who does not belong and has nothing in common with society

even though im somehow social and can make easily friends ,
i dont like people that much and im tired of people because it looks like they are all the same= LIARS posers and big egomaniac narcissists

the majority of society these days is filled with liars corrupt- backstabbing ,miserable people

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Since you are a Christian, consider the Golden Rule. Read Luke 6:32-33. Who are you to judge people?? "Judge not, lest you be judged." Also: Matthew 7:4-5. Where is your Christian love for people? I've got proof-texts on that, also.

i ve helped and served people a lot from the age of the 15 to 25 and ti know what im saying..

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No, Mad Architect, you do not. Where have you looked for the good in people?

i just prefer being myself .

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With an attitude like yours, I am not surprised. But note that solitude is a 12th house matter. But wouldn't it be better to enjoy your solitude without those misanthropic ideas?

a nice human being with identity who does not follow the mass
and does not care about society and what people think about him.

i dont care about society ,society can go to hell.....

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You don't sound like a "nice human being"-- you sound like a very angry one.

this is not society its just a matrix...
and yet people dont seem to realize it.

NON SERVIAM. just be yourself ,no need to serve others to find yourself and your identity

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Precisely the problem for egoists with a sun in the traditional house of "self-undoing." You won't find yourself, because your ego is constantly pressured to give itself up. If you are a Christian, look at your true longing, not as ego, but to purify yourself and to merge with the divine. Till that happens, serving the Great Unwashed is highly recommended.

you can help others but no need to serve someone you are not slave.

dont let the NON SERVIAM phrase fool you,

im saying NON SERVIAM which means "i will not serve" but this has nothing to do with my religion beliefs

im a christian though

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The principle of service is not about slavery. It comes from the heart. People do not have to "deserve" your being a blessing to them. Jesus understood this fully. St. Paul understood this in his letters about love.

Incidentally, I am not a Christian. I do have a lot of interest in comparative religion, however, and am somewhat conversant with the Bible.

A prayer for us both: "Dear God, please open our hearts to doing your work."

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Bluebell87 said:

I love your spirit, waterbaby!!

Love,

A fellow anti-authoritarian

^_^

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This has nothing to do with authority.

Unless you choose to be guided by a wise authority.

Why are you on the planet?

If you 12th or 6th house people can answer that question in a way that fulfills you, I salute you.

waybread said:

This has nothing to do with authority.

Unless you choose to be guided by a wise authority.

Why are you on the planet?

If you 12th or 6th house people can answer that question in a way that fulfills you, I salute you.

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I understand how that could have been perceived to slight you, but she had a very anti-authoritarian response and you did come across a bit condescending, but we all do it.

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You know, Bluebell, at my age, I see the mistakes that I made when I was younger. As the saying goes, "Too soon old, too late smart."

In whole signs houses, I have a strong 6th-12th house axis, and by progression, I spent a lot of time there.

I didn't perceive you as slighting me. Misunderstanding me, probably. But that's different and not offensive.

Also, lest anyone misunderstand my post to Mad Architect, I wouldn't have cited the Bible to him or anybody, had he not self-identified as Christian.

To Waterbaby and Mad Architect: Here is the distinction between "service" and servitude or slavery.

Let's imagine a very successful medical doctor. Maybe Dr. Twelfthhhouser, MD is the head of psychiatry at a big urban hospital or medical school. Dr. T. has loads of prestige, a healthy 6-figure income; and like many doctors, a healthy ego. But nobody would make it through 4 years of university, 4 years of medical school, 1 year of internship, and several more years of residency if s/he were just in medicine for the money or prestige.

Now let's suppose for the sake of discussion, you've been worried about your frame of mind. Maybe you think you suffer from depression or a bi-polar disorder and get a referral to Dr. Twelfthhouser for evaluation and diagnosis.

Do you want the doctor to evaluate you out of a sense of his/her own importance and autonomy? Or do you want Dr. Twelfthhouser to seem genuinely concerned about your emotional health and to want to help you?

If it's the latter, you want your doctor to treat you out of a commitment to serving patients like you, not out of a sense of a strong ego.

So don't anybody tell me that service has anything to do with being servile, other than the same medieval root word (for slave) in the English language. We've moved beyond that, I hope.

Amusing facts. The Prince of Wales heraldic badge (like a coat of arms) says "Ich dien," meaning "I serve" in archaic German. Nothing servile about being the heir to the British throne and spending you life living in palaces.

Four star generals are in military service.

Many senior business leaders join service clubs, like the Rotarians. They typically undertake projects to help their communities.

I should point out that many political leaders have 12th house suns. If you listen to or read about them, they typically come from a commitment to a goal or constituency greater than themselves. Ego erasure of a high order.

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waybread said:

You know, Bluebell, at my age, I see the mistakes that I made when I was younger. As the saying goes, "Too soon old, too late smart."

In whole signs houses, I have a strong 6th-12th house axis, and by progression, I spent a lot of time there.

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I have a strong 7th house, an 8th house sun and of course the Venus 6th, which I've been concentrating on lately.

What's your experience about the 6th house and how is it placed I your chart? I'm a beginner astrologer so you may have to bare with me on the understanding but anything I don't understand I'll either ask or look up.

As Venus is my chart ruler and placed in the 6th house, I've felt it's effects quite a lot in terms of health-related problems, and with a pieces Venus, problems with being perhaps too willing to help without due cause for myself. I would attribute that to the 6th house. I haven't had the good fortune to meet a partner through work yet, although through socialising with friends through work is how I met my ex.

Oh and btw, I agree about the 'serving' idea not meaning 'servitude.' But I expect they will learn that as they go through their 20s and if not the Saturn return will teach them anyway. For people who are indeonden, the 20s should be about you, and your 30s focussing on other people, just thinking there. As I've not settled down with children yet and will be 30 in April. I'm glad I haven't though, I needed my 20s to figure everything out.

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Bluebell, it's hard to say without seeing your chart as a whole. But just to backtrack a little, traditionally the 12th, 6th, and 8th houses were sort of the Rotten Luck houses-- apparently because they didn't sit in a nice, tidy aspect relationship to the ascendant and first house. (A square, opposition, trine, or sextile.) Originally the 6th was the house of illness and poor health, as well as one's slaves: bad luck if you were one of those. The 12th had all kinds of Bad News foisted upon it: secret enemies (back-stabbers,) ending up in jail, disgrace, and so on.)

More modernly, the 6th morphed into the house of health, good or bad, and people who serve us in some way. Since interacting with the plumber or waiter isn't a huge part of most people's lives, the 6th became identified with the concept of service more generally.

The 6th in modern astrology deals with your work in the sense of just-a-job. It it is your career or vocation in life, it's a 10th house/MC matter.

The 12th house got reconstructed in the mid-20th century, possibly due to the influence of eastern beliefs in the West. In Hindu astrology, if you're good at it, the 12th becomes where we shed our attachments to ego and possessions, and attain a state of Nirvana. In more pragmatic western astrology, astrologers found that some serious spiritual authors and mystics had a strong 12th house. These people weren't dying in disgrace in jail or stuck in a hospital, but were honored for their contributions to religious thought or charity.

I try to practice a choice-centered astrology. We operate within parameters as established by our horoscopes, but within those parameters, we have some choices and flexibility about empowering or disempowering interpretations. We can try to serve people (as defined above) or we can bemoan our health problems. We can let go of our ego attachment, or wonder why we attract back-stabbers. We can volunteer at the hospital or wind up checked into the hospital.

This is too stark a picture, but I hope I've made my point.

In Placidus, I have Venus, Mercury, and sun in Aquarius in the 5th house. In whole signs houses, they move into the 6th house. In Placidus I have Mars in the 6th opposite Saturn. Saturn rules the bones, and I do have moderate osteoarthritis and osteoporosis.

Health-wise, Venus relates to female organs, along with the moon. The 6th more generally in medical astrology and Virgo relate to the intestines and other organs in that region. The sign in your 6th house will relate to a different part of the body.

Venus generally softens or harmonizes what it touches. Unless it is badly afflicted, I would look elsewhere in your chart. Is it the ruler of your 7th house?

waybread said:

Bluebell, it's hard to say without seeing your chart as a whole. But just to backtrack a little, traditionally the 12th, 6th, and 8th houses were sort of the Rotten Luck houses-- apparently because they didn't sit in a nice, tidy aspect relationship to the ascendant and first house. (A square, opposition, trine, or sextile.) Originally the 6th was the house of illness and poor health, as well as one's slaves: bad luck if you were one of those. The 12th had all kinds of Bad News foisted upon it: secret enemies (back-stabbers,) ending up in jail, disgrace, and so on.)
More modernly, the 6th morphed into the house of health, good or bad, and people who serve us in some way. Since interacting with the plumber or waiter isn't a huge part of most people's lives, the 6th became identified with the concept of service more generally.
The 6th in modern astrology deals with your work in the sense of just-a-job. It it is your career or vocation in life, it's a 10th house/MC matter.
The 12th house got reconstructed in the mid-20th century, possibly due to the influence of eastern beliefs in the West. In Hindu astrology, if you're good at it, the 12th becomes where we shed our attachments to ego and possessions, and attain a state of Nirvana. In more pragmatic western astrology, astrologers found that some serious spiritual authors and mystics had a strong 12th house. These people weren't dying in disgrace in jail or stuck in a hospital, but were honored for their contributions to religious thought or charity.

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Why do you think their is resistance to 'serving' then by 12th house people? Is it an insecurity of not wanting to feel depended upon and preferring to remain hidden? I suppose anyone would feel a resistance to being told they must serve...even though it's not meant that way. Everyone has an ego. But since astrology is based on our experiences and isn't pre-determined (I think right??), then that means there has been childhood conditioning (as said by a previous poster) that has caused them to be victims of their circumstances, so being told to 'serve' after that, I would definetely rebel against it too!

waybread said:

I try to practice a choice-centered astrology. We operate within parameters as established by our horoscopes, but within those parameters, we have some choices and flexibility about empowering or disempowering interpretations. We can try to serve people (as defined above) or we can bemoan our health problems. We can let go of our ego attachment, or wonder why we attract back-stabbers. We can volunteer at the hospital or wind up checked into the hospital.
This is too stark a picture, but I hope I've made my point.

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The first astrology book I read used the analogy of a log floating down the stream, and how astrology helps to understand why we as the log would get stuck by the ravines on the side, and can help prevent it.

Your stark example actually made a lot of sense because some relationships I've had where the other person has done most of the giving. That's something I need to work on.

waybread said:

In Placidus, I have Venus, Mercury, and sun in Aquarius in the 5th house. In whole signs houses, they move into the 6th house. In Placidus I have Mars in the 6th opposite Saturn. Saturn rules the bones, and I do have moderate osteoarthritis and osteoporosis.

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An Aquarius 5th house stellium? That would make you a veritable social butterfly then, with definite humanitarian pursuits?
Your eg made sense to me as the Venus in 6th squares Saturn, Uranus and the moon. Uranus being the tighter angle.

waybread said:

Health-wise, Venus relates to female organs, along with the moon. The 6th more generally in medical astrology and Virgo relate to the intestines and other organs in that region. The sign in your 6th house will relate to a different part of the body.
Venus generally softens or harmonizes what it touches. Unless it is badly afflicted, I would look elsewhere in your chart. Is it the ruler of your 7th house?

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Yeah my Venus is badly afflicted, and I have digestive issues due to stress, ties in with the 6th house. Jupiter and Mercury are both Aries in the 7th house. Mars Gemini in 9th, mutual reception with Mercury Aries.

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Bluebell, my daughter has her sun-Mercury in the 12th house, and moon in the 6th so most of my direct experience is from her, although there are several books out on the 12th house and we all know people to a lesser degree with a strong 12th house. In Placidus I have Saturn in the 12th. In whole signs, it is my Leo moon.

Establishing an identity or sense of self in western societies is extremely important. Who are you? Who am I? People establish their sense of self in various ways, such as through what other people mirror back at us. Perhaps we look to our career, our home or belongings, our particular talents, or our family connections. We look to what we want and whether or not we have it or can get it easily. We look at our friends and peers, and measure our success in comparison-- or contrast-- with them.

We see this kind of invidious comparison a lot with single women who compare themselves with married friends, childless women who are envious of mothers, aimless people searching for the elusive career when all their friends are getting on well, and so on.

All of this is the ego screaming for recognition, some kind of acknowledgement, praise, recognition, or a sense of being of some importance, of finding one's vocation in life.

For many people the ego works out just fine. Not too much, not too little, but just right.

However, the 12th is the house of self-undoing. With the sun here, especially if it is afflicted, it is that sense of ME-ME-ME that gets undone. But something like a Mars or Pluto square to the sun won't let the quest for an identity rest. But the more the person chases the autonomous, authoritative self, the more it moves out of reach.

My daughter went through huge periods of jealousy in her teens and early twenties, but I haven't seen so much of this lately. She is now in her 30s and a primary school teacher, which fits well a sense of service to her pupils. Having her own classroom gives her identity some scope.

Aquarians are not notably social butterflies, BTW-- Aquarius the sign is not the same as the 11th house, and then you always have to look at what else is going on in the chart. The 5th is primarily the house of children. I have two adult children who mean the world to me, and and so happy to be a new grandmother.

I guess my "humanitarian pursuits" consist of reading charts for people.

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Hello Waterbaby 12:

I am glad to see that you are all chirpy and upbeat, right now.

A few days ago, I received this rather despondant, "sos" type message from you.

I sent you a very sincere reply, but no response from you, yet ? Did you receive it.

So, I am wondering, did you really send that pm to me, or was it a complete b.s. "12th house" hoax ?

I think that a genuine response to my pm would be certainly appreciated, (and which I will not share with the public).

Meanwhile, I congratulate Waybread for some very direct, useful advice re: the natal 12th house, along with some very good advice given to yourself and Mr. Mad Architect.

I was not born with a "12th house" natal chart, (but natal Sun/Moon/Mercury in the 11th house) So, as one who has relocated Sun, Moon, and Mercury in the 12th house for nearly 30 years, I have come to understand this house, very well.

About service, if you want to understand the 12th house, you both will have to deflate your ego a bit (and Waterbaby and Mad Architech, you both have very BIG egos, along with very foul tempers and FOUL mouths, a sign of youthful immaturity) and maybe, one day, you both will experience the JOY of SERVICE !

That's right. As Waybread said, there is a pleasure, indeed, in serving humanity, but if you are expecting reward or gratification in return, then you are missing the point !

Unfortunately, you guys with 12th house/water based charts are influenced greatly by your early environment and if your early family life wasn't so hot, then perhaps you can UNLEARN that behaviour and re-invent yourself?

Meanwhile, serve, (as opposed to slave) without expectation of reward and you will experience the joys of TRUE service.

Slavery (as you describe) is the antithesis of service, and not the end result.

The 12th house is the house of the subconscious mind, and hence, all creativity and conceptual development starts at this stage.

The 12th house actually represents the start of creation, it is where dreams are dreamt of and where ideas are born, and when the transit enters the 1st house, the dream then becomes a physical, tangible reality. You guys also forget that, via secondary progression, and solar arc direction, those 12 house planets will eventually conjoin the ascendant and enter the first house, so the effects of enslaved planets - to use your own words - become neutralized through the progressed natal chart.

The game changing research of Michel Gauquelin actually proved that many natal planets, such as Mars and Moon, culiminated while still in the 12th house and not while in the 1st house.

Therefore, this research validated the natal 12th house, exalting it ?

This research actually changed, greatly, the way that astrologers traditionally perceived the angularity of the natal chart, related to houses 1, 4, 7, and 10.

The natal 12th house actually increased its value or currency, through the Gauquelin Research, as a so called "power zone," as opposed to a traditional zone of weakness and debilitation ?

Here's the irony though. Gauquelin (Sun in Scorpion) was not really an astrologer, but a professional statistician and fan of astrology and his research met a great deal of skepticism and ostricism from his buddies in the scientific community.

Since both of you are scorpions (Moon) I welcome you to check out the Gauquelin research.


http://www.astrology-and-science.com/g-hist2.htm

If i may add to that, waybread..
People perceive 'service' to be somewhat of a lowly thing. Everyone wants to be a leader and to make a difference. The best thing that anyone can do is 'just be themselves.. fully. Wholly'. That is the highest form of difference one can make.
Im reminded of a sonnet by John Milton..


When I consider how my light is spent

Ere half my days in this dark world and wide,
And that one Talent which is death to hide
Lodged with me useless, though my soul more bent
To serve therewith my Maker, and present
My true account, lest He returning chide,
"Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
I fondly ask. But Patience, to prevent
That murmur, soon replies, "God doth not need
Either man's work or his own gifts. Who best
Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state
Is kingly: thousands at his bidding speed,
And post o'er land and ocean without rest;
They also serve who only stand and wait.

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MadArchitect, I get what you're saying but all she is saying is it is polite to reply back if you have requested help..?

I also advised wayerbaby not to let people chat her up and two posts later someone commented on her profile photo (I can't see it on my fone), and I found that quite distasteful.

I said:
1 more thing. Use your 12th house to your advantage - a lot of people are gonna want a 'piece' of your energy, your Plutonian sexual energy is gonna be enticing to people...and your Venus in Pisces will be sucked in by it, as well as others people's drama in general.

Couple posts later:

MadArchitect said:

that venus influence in your 1st is very obvious though judging by your profile photo.

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Bluebell87 said:

MadArchitect, I get what you're saying but all she is saying is it is polite to reply back if you have requested help..?

I also advised wayerbaby not to let people chat her up and two posts later someone commented on her profile photo (I can't see it on my fone), and I found that quite distasteful.

I said:
1 more thing. Use your 12th house to your advantage - a lot of people are gonna want a 'piece' of your energy, your Plutonian sexual energy is gonna be enticing to people...and your Venus in Pisces will be sucked in by it, as well as others people's drama in general.

Couple posts later:

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If waterbaby replied with bad attitude is not my fault

Whenever i asked help in the forum ii was very polite and respectfull

I was the one commenting on her photo

I just meant that she has beautifull eyes because of the venus conjuction with ASC