MadArchitect
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OK, have mentioned this before but one chart I'm fascinated by is Ayrton Senna, he had Saturn in the 12th in Capricorn as you do, and Mars I believe.
Definitely a case of a total compulsion for ambition and recognition and being too driven to stop, being the self-undoing.
Also his ambition and drive created hidden enemies.
Not saying your chart is the same but you may want to look at his chart and biog online, if there are any similarities. It seems Saturn in Capricorn is very intense and harsh, and doubly so in the 12th.
However, you have Uranus conjunct Saturn, personally I would see this as a very positive aspect, whereas the opposition is trouble.
It means an ability to blend to nonconformist and erratic and original in Uranus with the conformist, conservative and disciplined nature of Saturn.
It's sort of an aspect of creating, or wanting to create revolution or change from within a pre-ordered system, as I see it.
So as it's in Capricorn could it be something about changing an organization or power structure or way of doing things?
The 12th could mean that this is risk of self undoing, or it could be that you feel it as a compulsion, or it could be a subconscious dream.
The sun is in there so it seems your sense of identity or destiny is bound up with these two, and it may be something buried in the subconscious, or hidden from others..
You may want to look to Chiron too as it is regarded as the bridge between Saturn and Uranus so would play into their dynamic. It's a maverick and a teacher and in the fifth, so maybe creative problems but also talents and ambitions?
Fortune in Sag in 10th, in contrast to the 12th Cap planets, says maybe you need to take risks to overcome doubt and find career fulfillment.
Just some initial ideas, let me know if it is anywhere near.
I deal with incarnations in this lifetime. I can't comment on past lives that may never have happened.
Keep an open mind about whole signs. Generally I use Placidus, but sometimes another house system better explains a person's personality and life events.
i mentioned previous life
Because 12th house has to do with karma,not to mention saturn(planet of karma)
Here its in rulling position(capricorn)
and in 12th,so it can be a possibility..
thanks for your answer seriously i have now idea whats the meaning of this stellium....
my chiron is in 6th btw..
good point about ayrton senna (im a big fan) ,but ayrton had a completely different natal chart and life than me.
he was aries with aquarius rising while im a full capricorn i have 4 planets and rising in capricorn
Personal hopes and dreams can be considered H12, and Capricorn is known as an ambitious Sign. And that Moon in Scorp Conjunct Pluto in H9, which is also about hopes and dreams, but includes others as well! All those wild and crazy feelings you have to control and channel into something (materially) successful! More power to you, hope you can make it happen! What areas of occupations are most appealing and available to you? Travel guide, life-coach....? Etc. Are you currently an architect of the Mind, or actually in that profession?
I know, it's just I find Saturn Capricorn 12th a very striking combination, that's why I mentioned it.
hey no worries
i got your meaning you re right saturn influence and especially in 12th its hella intense ....
I'm already wondering about the effects of Saturn Transiting Capricorn in a couple of years. Whatever it will be like, you'll be feeling it for sure! I'm wondering if Cap Suns get any immunity from a Saturn-Return in Capricorn, or if it's just the reverse.
i mentioned previous life
Because 12th house has to do with karma,not to mention saturn(planet of karma)
Here its in rulling position(capricorn)
and in 12th,so it can be a possibility..
Hi,
Your natal 12th house contains only one personal planet, the Sun. This could mean that 12th-house issues (introspection, taking the time to think about yourself/ life/ your own weaknesses and failures) are your focus in life. Since the other two planets are not personal planets really, you might not be a recluse or want to work in a mental institution.
You might come across as a bit cool and aloof in the first instance, which is basically because of your Capricorn Asc. and Sun, and, yes, because the Asc. ruler, Saturn, is in the 12th house and your Sun, too. Therefore, you do need your retreat and just being by yourself, too. That said, the Moon and Venus (both are personal planets) want to actually be amongst people and out there in society. You actually might even love being amongst friends/ groups.
Could I ask what you do for a career wise?
The 12th house and Saturn have to do with karma only in certain astrological systems. Not in mine, not in traditional western astrology. Often invoking "karma" is just an excuse for blaming one's unhappiness on an unproven notion with zero evidence to support it.
A good rule of pragmatic modern astrology is to focus on understanding this life first.
Saturn above all is the planet of material, concrete practicality. In Saturn's world, 2+2=4, no matter how much we might want 2+2 to equal 5.
Kind of what Aquarius7000 said, you only have one personal planet in the 12th house. Neptune and Saturn are generational planets so they don't really mean much personally. Saturn and Neptune kind of blend into your 12th house too. Neptune naturally fits in the 12th house and Saturn joys in the 12th house traditionally. If you had Mars or Mercury in there then maybe you would feel the 12th house more prominently.
Besides, You have planets all around your chart; they aren't set in a particular spot.
Being a Capricorn person, no matter where your planets are, is going to make you ambitious; especially, in aspect to Pluto. Pluto and the Moon are also conjunct the MC which also generates a lot of ambition and desire to be successful and to seek recognition.
First and foremost, at 27/28, not having a set career is absolutely not being a "late bloomer" at all. All the fields you have dabbled into and actually studied suit your chart, so you are already on the right path career-wise....i ve studied sound engineer and stuff about music,im playing some guitar and bass
i ve also finished computer science
and i i ve watched some acting lessons-seminars...