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Re: Pisces? I really don't think so!

Yay! Lets get silly

Neptune is exact opposition with my Moon right now. Its stange, Ive been doing WAY less drugs then usual. Im waiting for all these stupid outer planets to be done with messin up my chart! Started with Pluto opposition Sun, then Uranus square Sun and finally Neptune opposition Moon.

On the plus side...Its trine my Sun and Pluto.

Why do you feel exposed? Dont think anybody is here to judge ya...If they do Ill fix them for you

Sometimes its best to daydream...Reality sometimes aint so real and an altered perception allow us to learn about a side of ourselfs we never knew cause of the fear of stepping out of comfortable and familiar surroundings.

Oh well...We got the Neptune BLUES

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Sometimes its best to daydream...Reality sometimes aint so real and an altered perception allow us to learn about a side of ourselfs we never knew cause of the fear of stepping out of comfortable and familiar surroundings.

Oh well...We got the Neptune BLUES
Amen. (I'm not Christian)

And about feeling exposed, the better part of my life is a scheme to control who knows what about me. But who cares !! (Don't answer.)

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So confused - I am nearly falling off my chair here - you are ridiculously spot on!

Your comment about the need to "feel" - even though I have been hurt so many times, it just spurs me on even more - Emotional pain does not frighten me, in fact I thrive off it - it's where I get the passion for song writing, as it allows me to fall into the depths of humanitarian feeling.

What you say about Aquarius is just sooooooooooooooooooo unreal. ALL my friends are Aquarius and my boyfriend is also an Aquarius . I just LOVE Aquarius! HOW DID YOU KNOW THIS?

And yes, I do need a lot of social activity but also a lot of time alone.

Interesting about the Aries midpoint -can I ask how you worked this out? So confused - HOW are you not professional? You are soo good at this!

If I gave you my boyfriend's birth details would you mind analyzing him? He has just read what you wrote and wants you to look at his chart..
If I can return the favor let me know.
First of all thanks, I'm shocked you liked it so much, it's nice to know I'm on the right track

I knew about Aquarius because I have some similar jazz going on with Libra thanks to my wide Venus conjunction to my Sun. (Not the part about being popular lol. Although Libra by itself by no means guarentees popularity.)

The Aries points are at 0° of each of the Cardinal signs. Then people decide to use 1 or 2 degree orbs for conjunctions to Aries points. So max points of interest are 28° of the preceding mutable sign to 2° of the cardinal sign.

I have to take back the Venus/Saturn midpoint though (I messed up). I don't doubt that you love what you do but that one wasn't on an Aries point. It falls on the cusp of Scorpio and Sagittarius .. seems intensely ambitious still

If you haven't used this yet, a faster way to get your midpoints (than counting the degrees on your chart) is on Astrodienst in the Extended Chart Selection, click Pullen/Astrolog then choose "Aspect/Midpoint grid chart". Then you'll be able to directly tell if the midpoints fall in Aries points . I feel that an ascendent Aries point by itself is significant enough, it's just too bad I don't know how to interpret it other than your persona getting a lot of recognition. Resources on the net are limited but I found this:

http://www.falconastrology.com/aries_point.htm

I would love to interpret your boyfriend's chart - as you can tell I love doing this, I'm too psycho - but it would have to be in some time, as I am getting overwhelmed with other tasks in my life right now. So send me the details and be flexible with me

PS. In time you might be able to help me out but I don't know what it is yet

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I am female

I feel that Gemini and Scorpio, at least in the same person, fuel each other's intelligence. They are both detectives, easy learners, have sharp memories, and want to figure people out, even though the energy wavelength is different. Gemini doesn't take itself seriously, has fun juggling thoughts back and forth, sometimes impartially, and generally has a blast laughing at itself. I don't know if this is more Gemini, or if it's more Earthy sarcasm, or maybe both with Saturn conj Moon, but I occasionally have these relieving light-bulb moments when I just find my emotions plain amusing - when I do get to put them into perspective, that is. You've probably found that Gemini serves to intellectualize and put into words your intense emotions, and that it has been useful at lightening your load by objectifying certain situations and giving you permission to occasionally laugh at yourself. But that sounds like medicine. Which in turn sounds like Scorpio. It's complicated

"PS - they use to have a midpoint calculator online but it has vanished now? I really need to get solar fire -is this what you have?"

Nope I used Astrodienst as I said.
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I wondered also with your Saturn Moon in 12th if you get very sudden intense thoughts? Or like a guilt complex that comes from nowhere? Like a sort of empty feeling out of the blue that you can't really rectify?
I'm younger than you.

I don't know about very sudden intense thoughts - sudden epiphanies that trigger a flood of emotions maybe, but this happens on my lucky days, it's not an everyday treat . What is spot on though is the idea of emotions creeping up from nowhere - sometimes it's just a dullness really, not an actual describable emotion, but these don't feel sudden, it's hard to pin down why or when they start, and hard to shake off. I remember in high school I had these long stretches of what I described as being empty or dead, and my physical energy would be on a low and it bothered me to not have a tangible cause for my complaints, like other mildly depressed people do - after all, there were worst things that happened in the world than .. nothing. And you can only be so depressed with so much fixed strength and Jupiter's optimism so it was niether really bad nor fulfilling. But looking back I think it was a slow subconscious accumulation of things I didn't realize were affecting me so much. Missing deadlines, piled up ****, lack of sleep, issues with friends. At that age, I didn't realize any of this WAS LEGIT cause for feeling down. Especially since besides the bad study habits I was gradually developping, no tangible problem in my life seemed very new.

Just boredom really. Everytime I got goosebumps or anything like that a sense of relief would come over me, from knowing I'm "alive". This may sound exceedingly poetic to anyone else but this was my reality and that was how I described it. I didn't actually think I was dead just wondered when - if - I would get my ability to function like real flesh back, and feel a sense of spiritual purpose again. This began after transitting Neptune left Moon. I wondered about feelings like empathy - if I had them. But the funny thing was my own empathy would surprise me out of nowhere, and that would relieve and reassure me. Having issues with friends and treating them poorly made me harder on myself - there was an especially dark period when I was being constantly ignored, without being told why, yet I still hung around as it was the only place I knew where to go .. eating lunch on those stairs everyday waiting for a sign - to be engaged again - was particularly humiliating and I felt like a monster. I didn't think I was capable of having genuine feelings of loyalty to friends, but I now know that's false.

This is long to describe the same thing but I hope I'm descibing it right for you. It boils down to a frustrating disconnect from my feelings, leaving me in the abstract about them. It's not that they weren't there, because as I said they would surprise me with what was actually there, plus the less self-depricating I've become the more space I have for empathy. I also hope I'm not overexaggerating how bad it is, it has it's quirks, like relating to many stories/people/songs and not always knowing where from.

These days I generally feel more energetic and am usually in good moods. I've come a long way. Things that can bring me down (on bad days, not especially good days) are things like meeting someone later than we agreed, I have to accept their forgiveness and dismiss the thought asap because if I let it bother me one time too many, feelings of guilt spin out of control and it's difficult to reel them back in, and the evening is pretty much ruined, like a butterfly effect from caring about the fact that I arrived late. Although I have to say I'm happier because I'm more aware of the stimuli.

I don't want to sound like there was nothing good about my teen years though, that's not the case, it seems that way from the issue I focused on here
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"I can really imagine that your Pisces ascendant must bring this lovely glimmer of springy energy to the forefront , inquisitive and bright. I also wonder being as you have Neptune ruler if you have the glorious , dazzling sea eyes – that Neptunian sort of glaze. There must be a big catch when people meet you! It is always a fascinating experience meeting the ascendant."

I have been called dreamy (parents, friend, ex. driving instructor), crazy (dates and friends, I think my Saturn and Uranus in mutual reception coupled with me wanting to "come out" makes for surprising out of the blue non-sensical dare-devil moments), big eyes. I feel that my sister's are larger though, and she's a virgo rising, cancer moon leo sun.

I'm on the short side but I wouldn't say strikingly short, and of small frame, yes. Skinny upper body, and skinny joints. But I did get bullied for being a chubby child right into puberty.


"If you are like me , you will have loads of books and just try to dabble in all of them at the same time. I also love lots of “little” things – everything is done in short bursts –even with food, I like to eat little but often. I can never just stick to one thing – have to try everything. "

When it comes to books, I do like being into 1 at a time and a virgo in my life was much better than me at multi-tasking - in fact I barely can. As far as those skills go would be singing while doing dishes. I think I was better younger, I could do homework and sing at the same time.

I will tend to go hard on a task until it drains me, but then I can release it for the day knowing I invested what I had. When it comes to food though, different story - I don't tend to eat often but I get really giddy about buffets, because I can treat myself to a plate of small amounts of many components. I also tend to order things I haven't already tried on menus, whereas my Sun-Neptune friend will order something over if she liked it to avoid risk of disappointment.

More on your chart will be coming tonight as usual
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Transiting Neptune Moon can make you feel as if you are living your life in an artificial paradise.

And the twelfth house is always fascinating, I love studying that house in particular merely because I have come to realise that this is where we see the investments of the energy in which we give out, sometimes it hits us hard.

But often we are giving away something to feel enlightenment, this is why spiritual donations etc are seen from 12th
But ultimately it is the house of reparation and self punishment and can also show our spiritual lineage.
so true, so true, and interesting. true. Thanks for clearing up the 12th house
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I remember as a child people use to say to me “You look like you have the weight of the world on your shoulders, yet you have no problems”
This was true, I didn’t but I always felt like I did, like it was my duty to worry and I have this strange interlocking anxiety about my physical body. (Chiron in Taurus in the twelfth opposing my Scorpio Sun in the sixth) its almost as if I am being reminded about something unendurable. As there I see physical wounds of some kinds and a feeling that everything is out of my control. I constantly worry about my health, so it is important to recollect why we may feel a certain way because the twelfth it simply isn’t obvious to us.

I relate to much of what you say. Don’t worry about your teen years, mine were dia and i was not happy at all. I like the phrase you use “butterfly affect” that is very Gemini. I wrote a song called Butterfly Wings and have always been told I am like a butterfly -which I am sure you can relate to 
You do have a very strong 6th house to top it though for the health awareness in the first place. Then chiron opposite the sun turns what might have been just a very healthy lifestyle to worry and preoccupation about health, perhaps more. I think being bullied for my image and eating habits is chiron conjunct the 6th house cusp. Much later (I was turning 19 when it started, but luckily it only lasted a year because I didn't surrender to it fully and ended up kicking its butt) I developped an anxiety for certain foods and an obsession about my "health". Now Jupiter helps me stay skinny in a healthy way (even though Jupiter is known for excesses), it's more with spiritual guidance and without depriving myself of anything, that I can comfortably avoid emotional/hunger-caused binges. If you've watched vids from livisionz (not sure how you spell it) her take is that Jupiter in the sixth makes a person sometimes excessive with food, but have a tendency to stay skinny, and to me that makes perfect sense because I think weight gain happens when a struggler couples excesses with deprivation, but Jupiter won't let you deprive yourself for long. Jupiter in the sixth is a natural square and if a person can resolve it that involves finding a way integrate spirituality and freedom into 6th house matters.

The song - lyrics? Perhaps you mind? I actually wanna hear the song but I fear if I ask that you might venture to hear from me which is not happening at this stage haha. My voice shall only be released to the world once it's improved, that's all :P

Oooo and I wanted to mention you're sweet

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Lol yes I thought you might be dreamy! I am the same with Neptune descendant opposing ascendant.
I am not that tall either -5ft 4 but I am very athletic -addicted to exercise..

Well , sounds like you have a very balanced perspective.

You totally don't have to look at my chart, but would be intrigued to see what your clever and astute views are on the one I sent you last night
Lol I promise to comment on that in time. I have to finish yours though

PS. addicted to exercise - Mars in Virgo
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With the midpoint grid the planets are on the diagonal, splitting the grid diagonally in half. On the lower half you have aspects to planets and on the higher half, all the midpoints. You read off this just like you would the lower half
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I have not watched lizvisions videos but will try and have a little look.

Your chiron conjunction 6th- I wonder also if you get healing out of routine and order?

My song butterfly wings is on my reverb site so of course - you can click on this link and it should take you straight to the site , if not just scroll down to Butterfly Wings (quite near bottom) http://www.reverbnation.com/lindsay17/songs
Well I am sure you are a girl of many talents , so would love to hear any material you have.

Do you write lyrics?
The only astrologer I found on youtube that I feel has some predicting skill is Nadiya Shah.

True, I do get healing out of some routine, you just made me have a revelation, I hate that I don't excel at this. Failing at mundane work is one of my themes!! My my.

Thanks for the link I'll be getting back to you on it as I want to savor listening. I don't have any material just yet, at this stage its still a dream.

I wish I'd written more songs when I was younger and all that scribbling I did on random bits of paper to keep my mind sane was thrown out, especially since a lot of it was deliciously dark and metaphorical at the time, but then again I don't wish that, because it's not how it happened and I wish for things to be the way they are. Currently I have lyrics for 1 musicless song that needs some help (I'd say the one solid thing), 1 musicless song that needs a lot of help, and a poem that may have song potential ...

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I really don't feel comfortable writing devoid of inspiration, or from a place of necessity, in fact I'm against that, but maybe that needs to change

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Ok thanks - did not see that bit about the midpoints - I will go back in and check it out I am no good with maths. ..
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Congrats on your accomplished records, you're really talented!! Can you get income from this? And do you have a band? Who knew I'd go from replying to your post to your fan!! I listened to a bunch including Butterfly wings which I liked, but I couldn't help reading into it astrologically big time !! xD

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Will finally touch some elements that manifest your creativity.

I said I felt the sign on the fifth house cusp was relevent, I'm struggling to understand what virgo does there.

Your AC and MC axes are highly aspected, and once you include these aspect, quite a few configurations show up. What these symbolize will have to do with your outer truths, or at least the potential for these truths to be realized

Neptune-MC yod with NN at tip - Neptune's endeavors and your recognition (by authorities) may hold the potential to carry you to your destiny for this life. Venus and Saturn in mutual reception are the highest on the sign depositor hierarchy. This suggests a few things : that SAturn and Venus are both super strong in your chart and support each other. And then that all the other planets including Neptune I assume are in good hands as far as depositors go, being ruled by such harmony. I think Saturn and Venus help use Neptune productively, for artistic persuits.

Kite Neptune opposite AC, with MC and Jupiter-Pluto conjunction at the tips of the wings. This allows that Pluto-Jupiter conjunction sextiling Neptune to manifest outwardly so you will be recognized for it. Pluto of secret ambitions and healing merges with extroverted, freedom-needing, spiritual Jupiter I feel allow for a healthy expression of Pluto's adgenda. Pluto's secrets are given creative talents and opportunities (Jupiter). Pluto's conjunction to Jupiter may be that stigma you had for your dad. The Sun forms an exact semi-sextile to Pluto then Jupiter expands it out of the water. (On a different note I keep seeing patterns between you and your sister's chart, also with Moon if you look. I'm thinking maybe your mom had a significant 7th house.) I think what you were saying about having so many career possibilities to choose from in life might be related to this (not to the exclusion of other things) if it has any truth:

"The opportunities are certainly there for you; and your inner gifts are there to be actively expressed and exploited by you to achieve success. You may find that you express and explore your talents in several potentially lucrative areas, as your gifts can be applicable in a variety of ways. This can mean that you are likely to change direction several times throughout your life, possibly in a radical style, or just to find new areas to experience."
http://astromatrix.org/Symbolism/Pla...Conjunct-Pluto

So this talent, opportunity, and philosophy finds nostalgic Neptune and presents itself in your personal and public life.

There are quite a few things going on with Neptune in your chart suggesting it'll keep visiting you and you can't ignore it. First of all, people pick up on feelings such as guilt, regret, neglection, vicimization, and childhood influence, as well as romance, imagination, selflessness, and empathy from you, and the only way for this to exteriorize is through you, so you experience it as well. Having Neptune opposite the ascndent may be in some ways like having a Pisces rising. Secondly it guides the above mentioned kite as it is at the tip. And thirdly it's positioned as a natural opposition (plus in Sag which squares its homeland), so Neptune is not in its most comfortable territory and you've had to figure out how to use this dreamy, conscience-altering planet to your advantage in your 6th house of very Earthy responsibilities, that happens to also be containing your MC ruler so the pressure is on from authority not to muck up this house. At least Mars squaring it on a large orb gets to feed it some instincts .. colored by Virgo. There is a mild possibility of getting lost in health matters, to avoid other more overwhelming responsibilities? (Mars is competitive masculine energy and in Virgo it makes sense that it would manifest as exercise.)

Lastly you did post the initial question wondering about your spiritual energy and you may find it greater this month not only due to the north node and Saturn in Scorpio but also with Neptune in the first house in your solar return chart. And for the record I think Scorpio is very spiritual as well. NN in Scorpio is the ultimate surrender-all-to-kindness-and-trust placement.

More tomorrow, I'll finally get to address Chiron and a few other things

Edit: NN in Scorpio are very very generous with their material possesions and all about sharing and seem to have euphorically liberated souls. Examples are Beethoven, Ellen Degeneres, Amanda Palmer

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I'm so sorry but I still don't know what I am looking for with the mid point? I can see the midpoint between my Sun and Moon is 4 degrees Libra but how an earth do i work out the rest as it is all ziggy zaggy and does not follow in a sequence?
Now say if you were to move over one to the right into 18 degrees Scorpio. That would be the midpoint between the Sun and Mercury.

The midpoint on the grid is placed at the intersection of the row containing 1 planet with the column containing the other. Just like how we read aspects on grids.
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Yes, you are right about the Virgo cusp, by heart I am just someone that bleeds emotion so everything I do I need to be deeply involved but I believe my North Node in Cancer/ second house is about making money from talents - I have to give something back to humanity though and I just know and feel that with the Midheaven sextile Neptune in Aquarius , that is my undying love for the universe, but I wrap it up so tightly with this sort of vulnerable hope and need to cure everyone and everything - that is the most reaching part.

I am so glad that you liked my music, it means a lot. I am trying to market my music more at present and wonder if it will take off –you tube/photos/videos etc – but I hate the whole thing of being a product and I can’t bear exposure.

Silly huh? Considering I am suppose to be an artist.

You are so right about Neptune in the sixth – I can really imagine all sorts of awful things going wrong with the body.
Maybe 5th house cusp in Virgo makes you a natural critic of leisure-related things - so this would include music, and with the strong Virgo influence in your chart, especially your own. You might be critical of all your talents. And then there's the 6th house cusp in Scorpio, and that's got to be overwhelming because Scorpio is extreme. A job done halfway might feel like an utter failure, because it's good or nothing. As we know Scorpio's not into reason .. so you might lack the objectivity to appreciate when your work reaches the good-enough-mark, and be ok with it, which is good because you dedicate yourself wholeheartedly to perfection which undoubtedly feels very rewarding but, as I said, might be overwhelming too.

I was going to interpret the nodes towards the end but while we're at it - SN in the 8th house means that you are innately able to connect very strongly with people, and have a passion for what is generally refered to as "the occult". This helps with your psychic gift. As a child you may have felt it natural to be co-dependent with others, but suffered pain as a result, so a part of growing up for you was nurturing your sense of self-worth and understanding the best you can do is live by your own values, and make your own assets. I was thinking about how Uranus conjunct Sun is a little bit of a lucky charm here because it gives you the independence you need and the inability to lie to yourself about what inspires you, thus giving you the self-conviction to follow your passions even if that has you on an unconventional path. With SN in Capricorn, you have a natural sense of how to be practical and accomplish, but there is an understanding that you are required to live beyond reaching for status through accomplishments (not that that's a bad thing). NN in Cancer is hugely emotional, asking you to be introspective, as well as empathetic and nurturing to others - being an emotional support. However I have found that paradoxically (or not), Cancer does not handle bleeding love unconditionally very well. Cancer needs some of that nurturing and support directed back towards itself as well, or it becomes resentful and depressed, but maybe it's different with a node placement - more euphorically pleasing to care for others than with planets/SN in Cancer. You have an interesting balance to find, especially with SN in Earth sign Water house then NN in Water sign Earth house.

I wanted to add about Neptune, that since the opposition in that kite is between it and the ascendent, you may feel some tension from others judging you as being too naive, too frail, and that further fuels your passions, because, as you said, you are self-possessed . Due to their positions in your chart Neptune and Uranus are probably the most outwardly visible planets, making frailty and idealism two of your most obvious traits, so it's no wonder that your father, as a "real world" man, was worried about you :P. Also interesting that in your Neptune Persona chart, Chiron is right on the Ascendent.

Achieving your NN's goal is thought to be a path to healthy balance but being controlled by the negative manifestation of Chiron isn't. Add Chiron in the 12th to Cancer, and you are all about making that emotional world ok for others. Since the 12th house is universal this extends beyond just those you know closely and your family, so essentially you may be sacrificing your immediate world to help that of strangers (not that strangers don't deserve it). You need to twist it so that you neglect your own emotions less. Opposing Mercury this may preoccupy you quite a bit but the opposition forming a kite with Mars and Venus suggests this wound actually turns into a heightened talent.

As for what career path you should choose, I really can't say. (And I know you were just sharing your own question.) Just something that relates to people BUT not more than you can handle, that fulfills you and also makes you money. Interesting that you should say you are private with a Leo moon, but I looked at your Moon Persona Chart and in it the moon is in Pisces in the 5th house. Also a lot of your Persona Charts have a water Midheaven. At least your Moon's and Pluto's have the NN exactly conjunct the MC, which suggests that you have issues with public recognition, marketing yourself as you said, but it may not be so much humility as it is a fear of the moral consequences. You may even have hesitations tied to what you wouldn't do to your family.

Also quite a few charts had a very strong 1st house so that can further explain your strong sense of yourself.

More coming didn't quite manage to finish. Thanks for all the comments they are welcome they make so much sense with your chart!!

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-The moon in Leo square Mercury in Scorpio. Yes! I really did feel as a child that my Mother just didn’t get me. More to the point, she didn’t understand just how avidly I was feeling about everyone else’s problems
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Hey I really like this site for Chiron interpretations. I feel that my interpretation for Chrion in your chart is limited. I find this site quite intuitive - I had a light-bulb moment combining my journey and relationship to work with what was said about chiron in Leo, so you might find this site illuminating as well.

http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/chiron.htm

I also wanted to put out there that Pisces is your draconic ascendent. You may know that draconic charts are very old and considered charts of the soul, but not extensively used today. For me certain placements in my draconic chart make a lot of sense - others, it's hard to tell. Any thoughts about how strongly you feel your draconic chart?

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Never mind about the site, it seems this book was extensively used :P

http://books.google.ch/books?id=4rnv...corpio&f=false

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With NN in Cancer people probably feel your warmth very strongly when they are near you, like you are open arms, just so willing to care for them and have unlimited understanding for all their problems and flaws, unconditional compassion. I realize this as I think back to the NN in Cancer people I know. But I think there was an underlying saddness with them as well, as they completely dedicate their lives to nurturing others - and this usually involves family members - they don't say it but I pick up a sense of "what about me?". And just watching them has me inside screaming "What about you!!". They are always bending over backwards, in ways that make no sense to me.

I can't give examples because as you know I'm careful about privacy, and this involves my family members not just myself. But I really mean it when I say those with NN Cancer I've known make serious sacrifices .. that I would never. Compromise career, happiness (even if this might be biggoted, there is a debate here about what happiness is), independence. Ugh. But maybe that's why I've a 10th house NN in Capricorn :P

Due to NN in 2nd house also being about self-worth and fulfillment you may experience an interesting variant of this.

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Yes, you are right about the Virgo cusp, by heart I am just someone that bleeds emotion so everything I do I need to be deeply involved but I believe my North Node in Cancer/ second house is about making money from talents - I have to give something back to humanity though and I just know and feel that with the Midheaven sextile Neptune in Aquarius , that is my undying love for the universe, but I wrap it up so tightly with this sort of vulnerable hope and need to cure everyone and everything - that is the most reaching part.

You are just too good at this and what is more, is that it is just so incredibly illuminating , I feel healed just be reading your words and there is a great deal of conviction in what you say, it's utterly effervescent.
Yes you have soo many of these placements in the same chart, with MC and Chiron giving you a broad humanitarian view, and then the water placements of your nodes and your strong Virgo influence making you service-oriented - you have the desire to fix people. By itself this comes across in a practical way (like say helping them lose weight) but with Neptune in the 6th, there might be a much deeper hope that by fixing the little things they can be lead to catharsis/a sort of soul cure? Also you have an 11 life path. With all this I'm thinking it's your purpose to be giving of yourself in a higher form. I don't know what advice I have to make it easier..

With your sister's NN in Aquarius and your Aquarius MC you seem like a bunch of water bearers

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Based on the chart image you uploaded here I see Leo on the 4th and Virgo on the 5th.. Libra intercepted then Scorpio on the 6th

am I missing something?
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Would you mind explaining the Neptune Kite? Do you see a kite?
Yes, as a teenager I was received as a little vulnerable and naďve – but not so much now. Many people perceive me now to be quite arrogant and stand offish on first appreances (even though I am not like this at all). It’s an edgy type of energy, it’s actually quite uncomfortable and I find myself doing this a lot, but I can’t help it.

All I can say is that it has got a lot better as I have got older. It’s learning how to trust my own intuition with that Neptune descendant. Sometimes I feel really thick in front of people, like they are not seeing the real me. (IN particular if I have the cold, stern judgmental types around me). I just think to myself “I wish I could remove these clouds so that people could see the intellectual underneath”. But they just don’t vaporise under certain conditions , ambiences and settings – that Neptune really does disguise who I am.
Neptune opposes the AC and sextiles the MC and Pluto-Jupiter conjunction, which trine the AC. As I said this won't be wrapped up so much with inner tensions and drives as it would with your image.

(Also with Chiron I forgot to mention it trines its ruler Venus making you very passionate about its endeavors, but the intricacies of the chart are endless of course)

I get the edgy energy. With my AC squaring the Sun and opposing Jupiter, I can come across as arrogant with a single sentence - must be the tone of my voice that makes people think "I got this so much better than you do", but I'm left feeling powerless about making them understand how much tolerance I actually have for everyone inside, and how much it ***** for me for them to be making those judgements, the way it indirectly excludes me from their worlds. And then with Jupiter people often have high expectations of what I can do - not to devalue myself or disacknowledge my credit but it's like people expect me to be so much more on top of things than I am. Mindset, studies .. I wonder if another part of the reason my studying skills started breaking down in middleschool as a shout out to others that I'm not who they think I am .. that I do have issues and I'm just like them

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As a child I really wished people would see past the good grades and the superficial teacher's pet roles to see that I was worth getting to know .. but for whatever reason it felt like all they could see was this robot that was mainly worth talking to for homework help

But yes it gets better with age . Now .. I have to work on getting a grip back on myself because I don't need to be a martyr for people - at least the people who matter - to see me anymore. In fact too bad struggling at Uni isn't as cool as struggling made people in middle school :P

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Family would have been crucial to you being as it is placed in the fourth house. This is so interesting that your nodes are in their natural houses , there is a big theme of parenting here, trying to do something right.

Apparently lots of people with these nodes have an interest in younger people but your lesson is about learning how to let go and also learning how to detach your feelings. This is amplified by Moon/Saturn in Aquarius as it is another huge sign that you are learning to detach your feelings and learning how to form an impartial view. There may be a need to really take control in work and you have a clearly defined status perhaps?

The North Node is perhaps in the most occult of signs , Capricorn has this tendency to just sort of know what’s going on as despite the seeming conservatism that the constellation holds, ruler Saturn is linked with the rules governing society along with the karmic laws, earth and ground – many are seers because
they’ve done it so many times before. Capricorn is so familiar with karmic law and the politics of so many different universal life themes, there is a feeling of ownership and in particular land, earth and skin coincide, a deep inner knowingness but its more practical and grounded than a deep sea fish like Pisces or a enigmatic Scorpio …
I feel my nodes may be about testing my self-esteem. Pain comes from the attachment to what others provide, I keep needing to radically break free from those situations and rebuild my inner foundations. Realizing that others won't carry me through to where I need to be. Walking this world alone until I have the self-esteem to deserve a healthy relationship

And yes a lot of mixed feelings with family. Wanting to protect, yet already being so far gone. Detached and hurting about the way it is.

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I don't know if hurting is the right word .. more like sorry

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Very possibly Moon square Mercury but also Uranus ascendent quincunx - I think that's what the uncomfortable edge to your self-presentation might be because based on my own research, the "chip on my shoulder" that I subconsciously carry, and that causes me to act too forceful/arrogant towards others is primarily Sun square Ascendent. Then Jupiter (conjunct a critical degree) completes a T-square making people think I know a lot, or making them think I think I know a lot, which, to be fair, sometimes I do but that doesn't mean I see myself in a higher league or don't want (need) their friendship. As I said in another post, a lot of what I share I could just as easily keep to myself, but it's a Gemini/Aquarius curse to want to communicate the gathered goods, I feel sometimes it really is a purely selfless process. Interesting that the quincunx from the Sun should have such an impact on you because it only happens through the Sun's merging with Uranus, but that's astrology isn't it - you can't crack it with a scientific mind, i need a breather too . I don't understand the oscilliating back and forth, maybe because of a lack of context. Back and forth between desires/beliefs/how you see yourself, that sort of experience?

As for the second question, I'm not clear on that answer. It's a legit question for someone wanting to learn more about astrology. I don't know to what extent I idolize structure nor to what extent I'm humanitarian. One thing is for sure, I believe in personal freedom, but not the kind that inhibits that of others. Besides gay rights, I'm not political. I've also noticed that a lot of Aquarian celebs aren't actually political. I can't count the number of times I've thought it would be a good idea to start following the news. I get it, it's a big deal, but I don't. I'd rather get my information from documentaries. Information is timeless. I also find myself more intrigued by personal stories, than by a collective, impersonal description of events. (I've known a Sag Moon I can't say the same for.) I came across an intricacy in my chart that explained this to me and lightened my confusion about my "humanitarian" label but I can't remember what it was.

I want to ask if you emotionally identify with SN in 4th and NN in 10th?
I noticed I said something to the effect of "walk this world alone until I have built enough self-esteem to deserve a healthy relationship" - and later realized that's an interesting spin on my natal nodes to meet those of my Moon's persona chart - 1st house SN, 7th house NN

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Ethics folks...
Does your sibling know that you are posting her private information and denigrating her on a public forum? Regardless of whether you obtained her consent, the bulk of your post smacks of what you have accused her of.
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