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Signs with best and worse reputations

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I was wondering what signs people think have the best and worse reputations. I don't mean what signs are the best and worse as all signs have their good and bad sides, but their reputations amongst the wider community i.e. which ones tend to get the most flak and which ones tend to be looked on most favourably, stereotypically.

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Hi Yoi,
I think, of course, that scorpios get a bum rap. I don't know who has the best reputation--I guess it would depend on what you (general you) believe to be desirable traits--for people who admire a energetic, assertive people, they will of course say that aries or leos are great, some might say it's admirable to do service work for the needy and they would say a pisces or a virgo are the best.

Me personally, I like leos and saggies because they are so (generally speaking of course) outgoing and optimistic, you can't help but feel good around them (presuming a fairly uncomplicated horoscope!)

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Best ... Libra's and Virgo's
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Best ... Libra's and Virgo's
Wow, that's surprising. A double Libra that thinks Libra is one of the signs with the best rep.
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Re: Signs with best and worse reputations

I suppose the answer is also variable upon whether you ask an avid astrology fan or a "layperson."

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I think, of course, that scorpios get a bum rap.
I respect your opinion, but I wish to add my two cents. From what I've seen, Scorpios are worshipped within the astrology community but feared by those who do not understand the sign's inner nature.

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Re: Signs with best and worse reputations

Every sign has its good and bad points. I was just being cute I'm a Libra and my partner is a Virgo .. go figure!
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Hi Arian!
Of course, you are right--but the question was so simple sounding (sun signs as the be all and end all of popularity) that I answered on the same level.

If you watch people (a fav pasttime of mine hehe) and someone asks "what's your zodiac sign" and the other guy says "scorpio"--the first reaction is alwasy "oohhhh!" hehe I think it's pretty funny, I don't know how they got that bum rap.

Unless of course the scorpios have made it be so themselves--to uphold the "dangerous and mysterious" myth

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Hi Arian!
Of course, you are right--but the question was so simple sounding (sun signs as the be all and end all of popularity) that I answered on the same level.
That's the idea - stereotypes are not meant to be deep and profound As I said in my OP, this is not about a meaningful discussion about the signs but rather people's general reaction to them based on stereotypes i.e. reputations. What are the "bad" signs and the "good" signs (stereotypically). And of course I only meant Sun signs. To the average person the Sun sign is the most important thing if not the *only* thing about astrology they know about.

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Yeah, Scoprios have a bad reputation, and so do Capricorns as well. Leos generally have a good reputation except for their (our) ego. I lot of people like Sags and Cancers as well. But that's in general. Each sign has a good reputation and a bad reputation in some specific areas

Aries
Good reputation: energetic, never boring
Bad reputation: leaps without thinking, short fused

Tauarus
Good reputation: dependable, loyal,
Bad reputation: lazy, stubborn.

Gemini
Good reputation: intellectual, good talker,
Bad reputation: impressionable

Cancer
Good reputation: nurturing, funny
Bad reputation: smothering, too emotional

Leo
Good reputation: fun, creative, romantic, good leader, lovable and generally fantastic
Bad reputation: NOTHING AT ALL
(Can you guess my sign )
No, seriously, have a bad reputation of being too confident, conceited and thinking that the world revolves around us. (It doesn't???)

Virgo
Good reputation: hard worker, helpful
Bad reputation: over analytical, lacks confidence

Libra
Good reputation: charming, talented
Bad reputation: indecisive, dependant

Scoprios
Good reputation: healer and.. well this one is R-rated.. can you guess it?
Bad reputation: dark, revengeful

Sagittarius
Good reputation: philosophical, up for challenges
Bad reputation: exxagerates, promiscuous

Capricorn
Good reputation: well-organized, gets things done
Bad reputation: not in touch with emotions, control-freak

Aquarius
Good reputation: humanitarian, friendly
Bad reputation: shockingly unconventional, insensitive

Pisces:
Good reputation: sensitive, good listener
Bad reputation: gullible, lives on the moon

These were the repuations in brief. Of course they cannot be generalized at all, but they make good material for astrology jokes.
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Leo
Good reputation: fun, creative, romantic, good leader, lovable and generally fantastic
Bad reputation: NOTHING AT ALL
(Can you guess my sign )
No, seriously, have a bad reputation of being too confident, conceited and thinking that the world revolves around us. (It doesn't???)
How many Leo's does it take to change a lightbulb?

One. He stands on the chair, holds the lightbulb securly and waits for the world to revolve around him.

hehehehehehehe

Did I mention I lurve lions??

How many pisces does it take to change a lightbulb?
Only one, but the lightbulb has to want to change.

Hey, I made those up hehe

You want jokes, you got jokes:

How many [INSERT SUN SIGN HERE] does it take to change a lightbulb?

Aries - Just one. You want to make something of it, buster?
Taurus - One, but just try to convince them that the burned out light bulb is useless and needs changing.
Gemini - Two, but the job never gets done. They just keep endlessly chatting with each other as to who is supposed to do it and how it should be done.
Cancer - Just one, but it takes a therapist three years to help them through the grieving process involved in actually throwing the light bulb away.
Leo - Are you crazy? Leo's don't change light bulbs, although sometimes their agent will get a virgo in to do the job for them while they're out.
Virgo - Approximately 1.000000, with an error of +/ - one millionth.
Libra - Er, two, or maybe one. No, on second thoughts make that two. Is that ok with you?
Scorpio - I'll have you know that information is strictly secret and shared only with the enlightened ones in the star chamber of the ancient hierarchical order.
Sagittarius - Look! The sun is shining, we're young, and we've got our whole lives ahead of us; and here you are worrying about a stupid burned out light bulb?
Capricorn - Frankly, I don't have time to waste on these childish jokes and pranks.
Aquarius - Well, you have to remember that everything is energy, the universe is constantly expanding, so............
Pisces - Light bulb? What lightbulb?


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Re: Signs with best and worse reputations

Ok, so I'm a gemini with a tickled funny bone, just can't resist:

How many Arians does it take to change a light bulb?
1. Only one, but it takes a lot of light bulbs (SMASH).
2. None - Arians aren't afraid of the dark.


How many Geminians does it take to change a light bulb?
1. II
2. Two, plus a portable phone, an internet link and a copy of the "Bluffer's Guide to Changing Light bulbs".
3. Two, but it will take all week and when they're done the light bulb will do your homework, speak French and shine any color you want from it.


How many Leos does it take to change a light bulb?
1. A dozen. One to change the bulb, and eleven to applaud.


How many Virgoans does it take to change a light bulb?
1. One to clean out the socket, one to dust the bulb, one to install, and two engineers to check the work.
2. Virgos don't have time to change their own light bulbs, they're too busy changing them for everyone else.
3. Let's see - one to spot the bulb, one to record the time the bulb burned out and the date it was bought, one to decide who's fault it is the bulb burned out and ask why that brand was chosen in the first place, ten to decide to remodel the house as long as they're changing the bulb....


How many Scorpios does it take to change a light bulb?
1. None. They LIKE the dark.
2. So who wants to know? Why do YOU want to know? What are you, a cop?


How many Sagittarians does it take to change a light bulb?
1. One to install the bulb, and a Virgo to pick up the pieces.
2. Look, ask me when I get back from India, okay?


How many Capricorns does it take to change a light bulb?
1. The light's fine as it is.
2. None - Capricorns can't afford new light bulbs, unless they're a legitimate business expense.
3. I don't waste my time with the childish jokes.
4. None: Why should I bother? It's probably just going to burn out again tomorrow anyway.


How many astrologers does it take to change a light bulb?
"Don't ask me now, Mercury's retrograde!"


Sorry to intrude...please proceed with the topic at hand...

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Unread 09-28-2006, 05:42 AM
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I think it depends on your culture, ya know?
Also what role the sexes have in it.
Like Eastern astrology frowns on females being born years of the tiger,
because they were believed to be too strong willed and not docile.

Scorpio's no doubt get the worst rap!
In horary, a Scorp ASC always raises red flags...Not so much now though.
Even people I meet who don't follow astrology go, "Whooooa you're a Scorpio?!, I heard things about *that* sign..."


Libras always get a nice reaction as fair & balanced...Nuts to that! lol
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HeHeHe, As a gemini I thought the joke about it taking two gemini's to discuss it but never get it done was funny.
Hmm, I got into a discussion about astrology today with a lay person. I was kind of thinking about some of the comments that AM has made lately about scorpios being semi worshiped in the astrology community. So I asked the girl what signs she really liked a lot. I knew she was going to say scorpio before she said it. I then asked her if it was possible for her to think about the things she had read about the different signs and say what discription she liked the most without actually making it about the people in her life she liked. She then replied that she liked the descriptions of pisces and cancer. I think she described cancers as being fun. Cancer; fun? Cancers can be fun, but that would not be the main adjective I would use to describe them. I love cancers though, so I hope no one thinks I'm picking on them. Hmm, I'm not sure what my conversation with the girl says or if it even says anything. I think scorpios qualities are really admired in American society. I remember when I was about 16 years old and reading about scorpios and thinking, I wish I was a scorpio, they are cool and sexy. Of course these days I think being a gemini is pretty cool and sexy. Anyway it seems that the sign scorpio stands out the most in the minds of non astrology people. L.
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This reminds me of a game I played with the new assistant band director while he was helping me with the copy machine this past summer: Guess My Sign!

Strangely enough, he thought me to be either a Pisces or a Scorpio, and I belated realized that I may very well have a Pisces Ascendant in the decante of Scorpio. Indeed, the description of physical characteristics of this decanate most closely matches my actual appearance--"dark eyes, often wavy or curly hair, soft features, petiteness, grace, charm"--so I believe this was the Universe's way of confirming my suspicions...

When I revealed to him that I was an Aries, he expressed some suprise: "Isn't Aries warlike?" I think he was almost expecting a spear to suddenly materialize in my hand!

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I asked my sister: 'What Sun sign would you've guessed me to be?'
'Well, definetly not a Virgo. They're hypochondriacs and obsessed with cleaning and they're perfectionists. And you're absolutely not.'
Why did she name Virgo's bad qualities? I'm helpfull and analytical and I like to read.
I think Scorpios have a bad reputation. If you tell an astrologer you're a Scorpio, he'll understand you. But non-astrologers just won't. They have no idea you're hiding your feelings etc.
Libras have the best reputation, I guess. And Leos.
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Libras have the best reputation, I guess. And Leos.
This is interesting, because I believe it was an off-topic discussion about the reputation of the sign Libra in another thread that inspired Astrological Prejudice and Stereotypes...

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This is interesting, because I believe it was an off-topic discussion about the reputation of the sign Libra in another thread that inspired Astrological Prejudice and Stereotypes...

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Yeah, I disagree with that. Libras are underastimated and overlooked among many astrologers, some of them don't even seem to care to try to understand Libra as a sign, and I find that very sad. There are some exceptions of course.

While some signs like Scorpio and Aquarius are almost worshipped by many astrologers. You could also add fire signs and Pisces to the trendy ones. I don't really mind it that much, things go in cycles and there are certain trends in certain eras. I just wish more people would realize this. Virgo used to be quite respected sign, but nowadays it seems it is considered be just blah... boring, which only shows that people don't understand the sign. Scorpio on the other hand has been quite disliked, and nowadays it's the opposite. Libra was considered to be a sign of the leaders, and nowadays even most astrologers seem to have forgotten that it is a cardinal sign, etc.
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Libra may be overlooked by astrologers, but still, a lot of people think that Libras are "so nice". Well,.. ehem.. they are actually
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Libra was considered to be a sign of the leaders, and nowadays even most astrologers seem to have forgotten that it is a cardinal sign, etc.
I suppose Arians can be blamed for this, but keep in mind that many people resent leaders. Indeed, the word was used as an insult to me in another thread; the user implied that to consider oneself as a leader is to be an incurable egotist incapable of considering others' needs.

Also, in our present society, the social graces and manners of Libra are much more acceptable than Arian agressiveness in women, although I agree that the sign is often underestimated because the feminine is often underestimated...

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No doubt Scorpios, the French soccer manager Raymond Domenech personally dont like scoripios, and he did'nt have any in his team for the 2006 world cup, he left a vital expierenced player Robert Pires out of the team who was a scorpio.

It was unfair by raymond, I dont think it matters what month you are born in, he is forgetting that Maradona and Pele, the 2 best soccer players ever on the planet are scorpios.

Its just like racial predjudice what raymond did.
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[QUOTE=Arian Maverick]"I suppose Arians can be blamed for this, but keep in mind that many people resent leaders. Indeed, the word was used as an insult to me in another thread; the user implied that to consider oneself as a leader is to be an incurable egotist incapable of considering others' needs."

This is my take on Arian leadership and why it sometimes gets a bad rap: It needs to be balanced with it's polarity, Libra. To me, Libra balancing the Aries leadership adds the element of "for the highest good of all" to it. This makes for true leadership. I believe Aries leadership had gotten a bad rap because of the tendency in some to not consider others, and therefore have no Libra balance.
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This is my take on Arian leadership and why it sometimes gets a bad rap: It needs to be balanced with it's polarity, Libra. To me, Libra balancing the Aries leadership adds the element of "for the highest good of all" to it. This makes for true leadership. I believe Aries leadership had gotten a bad rap because of the tendency in some to not consider others, and therefore have no Libra balance.
Couldn't this be said of every sign of the zodiac? I have difficulty accepting why the inherent nature of some signs must be repressed for fear of ridicule, while others are encouraged to develop their sensitivity, compassion, etc.

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Yes, Mav. I do think it applies to all signs. I just applied it to Aries, because that's what we were talking about. This principle is a basis of my personal view of astrology. When one manifests one of the less desireable traits of a sign, I believe the answer often lies in its polarity.

Personally, Mav, I don't understand what you're talking about with the Aries stuff. But then again... I don't have an Aries stellium. I seemed to detect a little offense in your post. I didn't say ALL Aries, just SOME, have the tendency to lead without a Libra balance to things. I don't have a thing against Aries people - or any other sign of the Zodiac people, for that matter.
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Mav - maybe it's because Aries/Libra is the personal and interpersonal "axis", so to speak. The signs connected to the 1H/7H. In a way, being your self and relating to others are ideas with much higher stakes attached than, for example, the Gemini/Saggie polarity that I have.

If I am seen as "too" Sagittarian, people can just laugh at me for being unrealistic, or (insert similar adjective here). At worst, they'll get offended because they see me careless, unreliable or opinionated. It hasn't got the same sting to it, even for me without the Aries stellium, as the idea of being incapable of getting along with others (NOT saying that anyone has thought or said this about you or to you! Just pointing out that the "worst" accusation attached to Aries would actually upset me more than the "worst" accusations attached to Saggie. But then, I am rather Libran ).

My theory is that because 1H and 7H issues are SO important socially, they are the FIRST things people see and interact with. If someone has an emphasised 9H, for example, you don't run into it immediately. If you happen not to "get along" with someone elses' empahasised 9H, you can usually avoid it, more or less. Not so much with the 1H/7H axis.

So this is my theory. Aries is the sensitive point for criticism because it is the (necessary) self assertion that can challenge (also necessary) construction of harmony in social relationships. That's a more "in your face" idea for most people than the the other polarities. Don't know if this has helped at all...

I think maybe that if you personally didn't value consideration for others so highly, Aries stuff wouldn't sting.

I'm not sure that I've mananged to say anything here I think the lower manifestations of both Aries and Libra are more commonly "seen" than their higher manifestations. Like Missa says, Libra is often seen as glossy, surfacey and empty (picture air kissing!) rather than as the quality of being able to resolve actual conflict in a constructive, fair way. Both Arian and Libran qualities are needed in a leader Ugh, I am going to stop explaining things, I don't know what I'm saying, too early in the morning!

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Sagittarius
Good reputation: philosophical, up for challenges
Bad reputation: exxagerates, promiscuous
Bhaha! Promiscuous! I never heard that one before If I am going to be accused, I could at lease be reaping the benefits

Here is something that I wrote about myself, when attempting to write a full taking-the-**** chart interpretation. Ray and I were going to do a "dark side" of your chart thread..you know, serial killers and stuff. Natuarally, embodying all the poorest qualities of Saggitarius/Gemini, I never finished....

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Howl is a royal pain-in-the-***. Much of this pain-in-the-*** factor stems from the fact that she is unwilling to conceive of any view incompatible with her own. Howl is consistently right, and it is much easier for her to inform you of that fact than to pretend to listen to you in the first place. Worst of all, Howl is not only convinced that she is intelligent, she also *thinks* that she is a sensitive, selfless person. Don’t try telling her otherwise. If you are uncomfortable in her presence, rest assured that she will entirely fail to notice. It is easier to allow Howl to believe that her inconsistent, delusional head-in-the-clouds approach to relating, communicating and socialising is actually of benefit to others. She might try and counsel you about your dreams, or ask inappropriate, blunt and awkward questions in a too-familiar voice about your moral convictions and the meaning of life. In truth, Howl seeks an opening in which to spew forth her own overly enthusiastic and painfully naive views on such matters. It is easiest to present her with this opportunity, nod and smile, and escape abruptly on the pretext of a desperate need to urinate.

If you must interact with Howl on a daily basis, and even worse, work with her, pay close attention. You are fortunate; chances are that her attention span fray and end before she stays in her assigned role for long enough to make YOU resign. Remember that she will probably move interstate before you are driven to do so, so just apply some patience. To make time pass less painfully, remember to constantly stimulate and praise Howl, she needs to be assured of her intelligence and skill to remain content. At best, Howl will believe that she is contributing a vitally important social service, that she alone could do so well. Well, she might do this better if she spent less time as a space cadet, vacuously creating impracticable fantasies or waffling on those freaky astrology boards. Problem is, Howl looks good on paper (you wonder how she graduated). The office always smells faintly of gin when she enters, and her unfortunate efforts at camaraderie only make you recoil. She is not funny, or meaningful, and will only make you suffer from her conviction that she is.
PS - I agree that Virgo is another unloved sign. Perhaps we need to create a Virgolover thread
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Personally, Mav, I don't understand what you're talking about with the Aries stuff. But then again... I don't have an Aries stellium. I seemed to detect a little offense in your post. I didn't say ALL Aries, just SOME, have the tendency to lead without a Libra balance to things. I don't have a thing against Aries people - or any other sign of the Zodiac people, for that matter.
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Please don't take any of my rants seriously; I'm still recovering from the Aries Moon and my insult detector has been on high-alert.

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Mav - maybe it's because Aries/Libra is the personal and interpersonal "axis", so to speak. The signs connected to the 1H/7H. In a way, being your self and relating to others are ideas with much higher stakes attached than, for example, the Gemini/Saggie polarity that I have.

If I am seen as "too" Sagittarian, people can just laugh at me for being unrealistic, or (insert similar adjective here). At worst, they'll get offended because they see me careless, unreliable or opinionated. It hasn't got the same sting to it, even for me without the Aries stellium, as the idea of being incapable of getting along with others (NOT saying that anyone has thought or said this about you or to you! Just pointing out that the "worst" accusation attached to Aries would actually upset me more than the "worst" accusations attached to Saggie. But then, I am rather Libran ).

My theory is that because 1H and 7H issues are SO important socially, they are the FIRST things people see and interact with. If someone has an emphasised 9H, for example, you don't run into it immediately. If you happen not to "get along" with someone elses' empahasised 9H, you can usually avoid it, more or less. Not so much with the 1H/7H axis.

So this is my theory. Aries is the sensitive point for criticism because it is the (necessary) self assertion that can challenge (also necessary) construction of harmony in social relationships. That's a more "in your face" idea for most people than the the other polarities. Don't know if this has helped at all...
Howl,

Thank you for presenting this in a new light; your ideas make a lot of sense and your logical approach greatly appeals to my chart ruler Mars in Gemini

There are so many issues I have yet to resolve...

Arian Maverick

P.S. I love Virgo and would trade my chart for Tim's any day.
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