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Re: What proof is there that pisces is co-ruled by jupiter?

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No reason why a luminary couldn't rule two signs, unless you accept Ptolemy's opinion that the Sun is too masculine to rule a "feminine" sign, and vice versa for the Moon.

Also the very neat and tidy diagram you posted is disrupted by the addition of another ruling planet. How can sect be applied regarding the additional rulers?
Ptolemy's explanation is simply inadequate unless you take into account the chapter on the exaltations. Then you have close to correct admixtures of the signs in relation to the seasons.

The solar and lunar halves are a thing, and were often used in Hellenistic and Arabic astrology. Personally, I prefer the more common differentiation by the triangles/alternation, where Aries, Gemini and Aquarius are diurnal, and Virgo, Scorpio and Capricorn are nocturnal. Manilius mentions two alternative systems involving the Aries and Cancer triangles as diurnal and ''spring-summer' semicircle Aries-Virgo as diurnal, while the ''autumn-winter'' semicircle as nocturnal. In any case, the differentiation by triangles (Aries and Libra as diurnal, Cancer and Capricorn as nocturnal) was most common and is used by Ptolemy, Valens, Dorotheus amongst others. Hephaistio of Thebes favoured the solar and lunar halves for the sect of the signs actually. This one looks to be the second most popular, though it seems to contradict the masculine triangles of the equinoxes. So there are 4 differentiations of the sect of the signs in Hellenistic astrology, though 2 appear only in Manilius (he doesn't endorse them, but reports on the systems in usage at the time that he knows of).


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Re: What proof is there that pisces is co-ruled by jupiter?

Neptune ruling Pisces plays such an important and crucial role in modern astrology because modern astrology places a heavy emphasis on the usage of dignities. You can see this is extremely important in this thread and discussion. This is fundamentally the most important aspect, and without this distinction that Neptune belongs in Pisces, the very foundations of astrology falls apart and natal delineations cease to become coherent.
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Neptune ruling Pisces plays such an important and crucial role in modern astrology because modern astrology places a heavy emphasis on the usage of dignities. You can see this is extremely important in this thread and discussion. This is fundamentally the most important aspect, and without this distinction that Neptune belongs in Pisces, the very foundations of astrology falls apart and natal delineations cease to become coherent.
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boTh nEptUnE aNd jUpiTer aRe sPiriTUaL pLaNetS, BUt nEptUnE aNd tHE tWelvTh aRe mOrE sO tHaN jUpiTer aNd tHE nInTH
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Well, I thought maybe there was a message using just the Capital letters, but, apparently not.
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TEUENUTRPTULLNSBEUENHEWTROEOHNUTNHEITH

Well, I thought maybe there was a message using just the Capital letters, but, apparently not.
It is a meme. Every meme carries an important message.
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It is a meme. Every meme carries an important message.
Often an uninformed or misleading message as well.
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