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Dwarf MODERNIST Planet Pluto may be a COMET & CANNOT 'rule' TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY

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You can find many astrologers, who practice the ancient way,
have prominent Pluto.
Even if Pluto is lurking, he still pulls the strings of the planets
and influences this behavior.
consider traditional astrological techniques
that work fine without dwarf inhabitants of the Kuiper Belt
it might surprise you

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Ereshkigal was a dominatrix, incidentally.
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I'm not "an Aquarius." My sun is in Aquarius. However, I don't feel tribal about it.

With sun sign astrology, I would be called an Aquarian.

How much do you know about the history of astrology?

But anyway, if Pluto is your thing, I can't stop you.
Come on waybread, be proud of your tribe! It has a lot going for it!



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Bunraku has convinced me. Oh my god, my eyes have been opened.
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It's too late, JA. Traditional astrologers are being converted en masse.
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It's too late, JA.

Traditional astrologers are being converted en masse.

Siriusly au contraire mon ami

Perhaps on free online amateur forums
such as our forum

populated in the main
by those unfamiliar with genuine traditional methodology
it is easy to self-style as "Traditional" while "using outers"

however
keep in mind that

Traditional online groups that exclude the use of modernist outers
are closed to those who attempt to delineate with kuiper belt objects et al

and
one is wise to study BobZemcos signature comment
which reads as follows:

Addressing his pupil, Satyacharya said

"The science of Astrology is a great secret.
It should be guarded with care.
This sacred science of Astrology should never be taught to bad people.
Nor should it be revealed to too many people and very frequently.
It should be taught only to a few chosen disciples
who really deserve and have the necessary qualifications."
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Bunraku has convinced me. Oh my god, my eyes have been opened.
Ereshkigal will be pleased.
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Re: Dwarf MODERNIST Planet Pluto may be a COMET & CANNOT 'rule' TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY

BEFORE
18 February 1930

Pluto was unknown
invisible

without the use of powerful telescopes.
and
astrologers practiced astrology successfully for thousands of years
before that date


An ancient system of dignities and debilities http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.html
in use for approximately two thousand years
BEFORE powerful telescopes noticed dwarf planet pluto,
is so finely tuned and balanced
that it cannot be disturbed without completely making a nonsense of it.




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The actual sighting of the Outermost astrological planet named "Pluto", will have it's 90th anniversary on February 18 this year. Most Western astrologers around the world consider its Longitudinal-point to be a major Chart-factor.

However, some astrologers so greatly fear its influence, they have responded to it by retreating into the Past, when its existence wasn't yet known--which might even be a good way to deal with its frightening effects.

So, rather than say that Pluto "rules" Traditionalistic astrology, its more accurate to say that Pluto CAUSED the revival of the ancient, pre-Outermost versions of astrological perception.

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Does it though?
Uh, Peto, shouldn't this thread be moved out of the Trad forum into maybe the Hot Topic arena?
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You failed to mention the part where I was sprawled out over my excrement, the force of Pluto acting like a cosmic enema; purging my body for the divine essence of its cthonic quintessence. Only from the ashes of this confrontation was I ready to come close to the sacred tradition of astrology.

Pluto rules traditional astrology only for those who have escaped the chains of doctrine, the rare souls who have glimpsed the divine through the intimacy of direct contact.
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You failed to mention the part where I was sprawled out over my excrement, the force of Pluto acting like a cosmic enema; purging my body for the divine essence of its cthonic quintessence. Only from the ashes of this confrontation was I ready to come close to the sacred tradition of astrology.

Pluto rules traditional astrology only for those who have escaped the chains of doctrine, the rare souls who have glimpsed the divine through the intimacy of direct contact.
You fully conquered Plutophobia?!!?
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My ignorant fear, has now transformed into reverent terror.
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So, rather than say that Pluto "rules" Traditionalistic astrology, its more accurate to say that Pluto CAUSED the revival of the ancient, pre-Outermost versions of astrological perception.

If it's bound by the cycles of Pluto, then it Pluto rules it.
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If it's bound by the cycles of Pluto, then it Pluto rules it.
You're welcome.
Pluto's influence is important. But, once one realizes that the gender of Aquarian rulership is feminine, not masculine, it obviously belongs to the granddaughter of Greco-Roman Ouranos/Caelus and daughter of Zeus/Jupiter: Ourania, goddess of the Heavens and MUSE of ASTROLOGY. In the Latin, her name is "Urania"--NOT the puny asteroid named for her, but the star-like planet outside the orbit of Saturn, .

It's the Muse who inspires astrological realization, and therefore rules astrology, as well as the Sign .

Ourania/Urania rules astrology. Ereshkigal/Osirus/Pluto regulates it.

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Pluto's influence is important. But, once one realizes that the gender of Aquarian rulership is feminine, not masculine, it obviously belongs to the granddaughter of Greco-Roman Ouranos/Caelus and daughter of Zeus/Jupiter: Ourania, goddess of the Heavens and MUSE of ASTROLOGY. In the Latin, her name is "Urania"--NOT the puny asteroid named for her, but the star-like planet outside the orbit of Saturn, .

It's the Muse who inspires astrological realization, and therefore rules astrology, as well as the Sign .

Ourania/Urania rules astrology. Ereshkigal/Osirus/Pluto regulates it.
So what are you saying? Why does urania matter if Pluto has to regulate it?
Regulate: late Middle English (in the sense ‘control by rules’): from late Latin regulat- ‘directed, regulated’, from the verb regulare, from Latin regula ‘rule’.

Sounds a lot like rulership to me
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So what are you saying? Why does urania matter if Pluto has to regulate it?
Regulate: late Middle English (in the sense ‘control by rules’): from late Latin regulat- ‘directed, regulated’, from the verb regulare, from Latin regula ‘rule’.

Sounds a lot like rulership to me
Pluto rules traditional astrology
The ruler mandates, and works together with the guidance of the regulator.
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The ruler mandates, and works together with the guidance of the regulator.
Sounds like modern corporate settings.
No thank you. Back to astrology please, not HR.
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Sounds like modern corporate settings.
No thank you. Back to astrology please, not HR.
It's a metaphorical description of how rulership works in astrology.

Although, astrology is reflected in corporate, political, and economic structures.

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Uh, Peto, shouldn't this thread be moved out of the Trad forum into maybe the Hot Topic arena?
No, I like how the mods join with trolling.
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Sounds like modern corporate settings.
No thank you. Back to astrology please, not HR.
Do you think that Ptolemy's almuten is democratic compared to the medieval one? 5 equal votes vs feudal hierarchy.
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This is an interesting discussion but.....

How and why did a discussion about a modern dwarf planet get moved to the traditional forum?
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This is an interesting discussion but.....
How
and
why
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get moved to the traditional forum?
hackers
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You mean to say... The Illuminati?!

On-topic: Recently, Dave tried to tell me Pluto was holding Saturn back in my chart. Making the claim that it was giving the gas giant trouble, but I denied this.

That is until Pluto hit the exact 23rd degree of my Saturn return. Life changed as I fell into a position I hadn't expected and made friends with certain types never before thought of.

It's amazing.
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This is an interesting discussion but.....

How and why did a discussion about a modern dwarf planet get moved to the traditional forum?
Because Pluto rules this forum.
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