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Jupiter and SATURN were called by astrologers of old
the "Great Chronocrators".
For millennia
the alignment of these two planets
has been regarded
as a significator of great social
economic
and
political watersheds - historic turning points, if you will.
hence
referred to as
"The Great Conjunction"
clearly then
Juiter Saturn conjunctions have been charted for millenia
by MUNDANE ASTROLOGERS


Jupiter's alignment with SATURN
occurs at intervals of just under 20 years
The aspect is occasionally repeated due to a retrograde
of one or both planets.
Each successive conjunction
not counting retrograde repeats
occurs at a mean advance of
approximately 243 degrees relative to its predecessor
although from one alignment to the next
this arc can vary considerably.

Every third conjunction
i.e.
once every 60 years
brings the alignment back
to its starting place, plus around 9 degrees:
this 60 year cycle is termed
FIRST ORDER RECURRENCE of the conjunction.

Every 40th conjunction - roughly once every 800 years -
brings the alignment back to within about 1 degree of its starting place:
this approximate 800 year cycle is termed SECOND ORDER RECURRENCE
aka GREAT MUTATION CYCLE



Jupiter and SATURN may both be regarded as generational planets
Jupiter takes 12 years to orbit Sun
and
Saturn takes 30 years to orbit Sun
- additionally, during their respective orbits of the Sun
Jupiter and Saturn are in conjunction only approximately every 20 years.

These specific spans of time

chime well with the accepted idea of “a generation”
being the span of time necessary before human beings are physically able
to produce a child of their own
in human terms, 'a generation' can be a variable
- that's because some produce offspring very early
and in many 'eastern' countries before their teens.

However, in 'the west' there is a tendency to initially focus on 'career'
before then producing offspring later in the 30's.
The middle ground would be those producing offspring in their 20's.
Based on those rather "rough and ready" spans of time then:

(1) A twelve year Jupiter orbit of the sun represents

those who are parents at an age considered in 'the west'
very young - i.e. 12

(2) A thirty year Saturn orbit of the sun represents

those who are parents at what is considered in 'the west'
to be a 'more responsible age' - i.e. 30

(3) A combination of the two planets in regular 20 year Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions

then represent the 'middle-ground' - i.e. 19/20

USUALLY a generation
averages about 25 years from the birth of a parent to the birth of a child
- although it varies case by case
it is generally accepted that the length of a generation
was closer to 20 years in earlier times
when humans mated younger
and life expectancies were shorter



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Saturn rules Aquarius because in ancient times

Saturn was the boundary between the real world
and the world of spirits.
Saturn was the only planet with rings
and these rings gave Saturn a portal to the higher realms.
For this reason Saturn ruled all forms of magic
and ruled the transition from mortal to immortal life.

The ring system was described as "the ring pass, not pass "
dividing line between the spirit world and the real world.
As such the attributes we give Aquarius
were in the domain of Saturn.

Saturn is the adept, those who know how to manipulate the
highest planes of existence.
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As I said, Saturn was historically
the boundary between the mundane world
and the world of spirits.




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Of the seven metals, Saturn rules lead
which has a very dull surface
and makes a thick, heavy sound when struck.
Lead is also the heaviest, the most stable
and the most inert metal
the traditional metal of tombs.

Lead poisoning was originally referred to as 'Saturnism'
because the physical ailments of ingesting small quantities of lead include
fatigue, depression and melancholia.
Lead collects in bone tissue
and is more prevalent in the bones of old people than those of the young.

Nick Kollerstrom in his book ASTROCHEMISTRY
explores the link between Saturn, lead and Saturnism
reminding us that the effects of lead poisoning
are to 'slow down' the mental processes of the mind.
Saturn also rules all ordinary country stones that have no glitter and shine.
It is said to rule the dross of all metals and the dust, ash and rubbish of everything.
It does however, have some rulership over diamonds
the hardest mineral, derived from crystallised carbon.
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by the way

the Moon WHEN VISIBLE
is visible solely because

Moon REFLECTS the LIGHT of the SUN

and


SATURN sole DOMICILE ruler of Aquarius

is visible also
by REFLECTING the LIGHT of the SUN




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One question for clarification:

You said “Operative is angular or succedent (post-ascending)”
. Do you mean Operative is succedent?

Since Ascending here already means angular?


Operative (chrematistikos) in the Hellenistic tradition referred to both the angular and succedent places. In the sample, this would basically mean I gave two points for an angular Light, 1 for succedent and 0 for cadent. This is generally how it is treated traditionally, although there is some slight ambiguity to how operative are the succedents compared to the angles, whether it is a 50% strength, something like 66% or the like. Generally though, they are treated as operative along with the angles, while the cadents are noted as completely useless. So it may have been just a two-grade consideration, and it actually sometimes feels that way.

Note that the operative places according to some authors are different. These authors think that the 2nd and 8th place are worse than the 9th because of no aspect, but I disagree.

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Lastly, you said the Master of the Nativity holds great powers in the Egyptian tradition. Could you recommend some sources so I can look into this? Thank you.
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Petosiris seems to have defined the place perfectly, even though he spoke in mystic riddles: “The beginning, the end, the controller, and the measurement standard of the whole is the houseruling star of each nativity: it makes clear what kind of person the native will be, what kind of basis his livelihood will have, what his character will be, what sort of body <=health and appearance> he will have, and all the things that will accompany him in life. Without this star nothing, neither occupation nor rank, will come to anyone.”
Valens later disagrees, saying ''But, how is it possible for a nativity to succeed in everything or, on the other hand, to fail in everything, depending just on the houserulership of just one star?'' - Valens, V. Anthologia.

Translated by Mark Riley.
- https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf - page 54

Valens quotes Nechepso and Petosiris frequently, in two places they referred to the Lot of Fortune as place (the Lots were associated with whole signs/houses) from which ''the whole can be seen'' - ruling place, powerful and controlling.



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Hippies had to do a lot of drugs to think Saturn's age would be great.

Here's a random question: Saturn trine ascendant in a day chart. Yay or nay? Dun dun dunn.
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Hippies had to do a lot of drugs to think Saturn's age would be great.
Here's a random question:

Saturn trine ascendant in a day chart.
Yay or nay? Dun dun dunn.

Above or below the horizon?




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Above or below the horizon?




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Below, 5th house.

Pisces Saturn always confuses me.
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Below, 5th house.

Pisces Saturn always confuses me
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WHOLE SIGN or any Quadrant system?



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Trining Cancer would be bad. Scorpio would be okay.



One might argue that Saturn in Pisces is generally tolerable, because Venus rules Saturn's exaltation. Might.



But it's not the worst place.



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WHOLE SIGN or any Quadrant system?



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Whole Signs, Mon Ami.

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Trining Cancer would be bad. Scorpio would be okay.



One might argue that Saturn in Pisces is generally tolerable, because Venus rules Saturn's exaltation. Might.



But it's not the worst place.
You guessed it - Trine Scorpio ascendant, though ascendant is conjunct domicile Mars. A strange tag-team to go along with a Libra Sun/Merc/Venus sitting in the 12th.
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Trining Cancer would be bad. Scorpio would be okay.
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Trine Cancer gotta trine Scorpio

and vice versa






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One might argue that Saturn in Pisces is generally tolerable
because Venus rules Saturn's exaltation.

Might.
anything is possible
albeit however unlikely

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But it's not the worst place.
it's all relative to the totality of the chart




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Whole Signs, Mon Ami.
You guessed it - Trine Scorpio ascendant, though
ascendant is conjunct domicile Mars.

A strange tag-team to go along

with a Libra Sun/Merc/Venus sitting in the 12th.

Ruler of 10th in 12th
is Mercury rising before or after the sun?



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-in Western traditional, Saturn is associated with the element earth
(thus Saturn as dispositor of earthy Capricorn)

-in the Vedic tradition, however,
Saturn is associated with the element air
(thus Saturn as dispositor of airy Aquarius)

Could Saturn be a double-element planet (earth + air)?

There is some tradition about Mercury being a double
(earth + water; air + earth)...

-then there is the theory
of the original attribution of sign "rulerships"
based on planet's relationship to the Sun:
ie,
: for the outward spread of planets going from the Sun:
Sun = Leo,
next planet Mercury = next sign Virgo,
then Venus = next sign Libra,
then Mars = Scorpio,
then Jupiter = Sagittarius,
then (final on the outward spread) Saturn = Capricon

+Then starting from the outer limit coming back toward the Sun:
: outermost (traditional planet) Saturn = Aquarius,
then next planet
(coming back inward-sunward-from Saturn) is Jupiter = Pisces,
then next planet coming sunward is Mars = Aries,
then next planet coming sunward is Venus = Taurus,
next planet coming sunward is Mercury = Gemini,
and finally a jot toward the earth, with Moon = Cancer

(Sun to Moon via the circuit of the solar system,
Leo outward through signs,
then back inward through signs, Leo to Cancer)
Could be why
(or another reason why)
Saturn allocated to Capricorn and to Aquarius,
in the olden times...
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saturn is the furthest traditional planet from the sun.

.....the sun rules leo.

saturn rules aquarius because it's furthest from the sun,
and
the coldest planet.
aquarius is rigid, cold, dogmatic, impersonal
- that seems to fit saturnian energy pretty well.

saturn diametrically opposes the sun,
which also makes sense here.
that's the actual why in trad astrology.





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Lead, and zinc are effective moss control elements.
They protect what is below them

by leaving a covering on top
and killing any organism

that tries to grow underneath it
by leaching when it rains.
Traditionally
SATURN, SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS rules LEAD

LEAD IS A HIGHLY TOXIC METAL


AND
A VERY STRONG POISON


Lead poisoning is a serious and sometimes fatal condition.
It occurs when lead builds up in the body.
Lead is found in lead-based paints
including paint on the walls of old houses and toys.



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The illnesses of SATURN

are those

proceeding from

cold, old age, melancholy or depressed spirits.
The pain associated with Saturn illnesses is dull and aching
rather than sharp or burning.
The fevers are those that involve alternating periods of chills
or a fit of shivering, such as malaria.
The damage of Saturn's illnesses tends towards a progressive wasting of tissue.
These include arthritis, rheumatism, depression, consumption,
colds, chills and flu
and all illnesses that involve muscle fatigue, difficulty in breathing
and watery discharges from the nose and eyes,
strokes, paralysis or palsy, bruises and dark marks
chronic illnesses, coughs, dropsy, starvation
morbid fantasies, fears and nightmares, gout, gangrene, haemorrhoids
defects to the hearing, leprosy, miscarriage, scabbiness, scabies and lice
infections of the skin, and illnesses arising from poisons
or damage to the spleen, teeth or bones
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/astrology_saturn.html



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Indeed. All of these are related in some way. I've always found it interesting that Saturn tends to produce restrictions and pains due to the lack of solar and lunar qualities it lacks. It is the planet that opposes the rulership of the Moon and the Sun, after all. A lack of moisture and a lack of heat makes the natives lack connection with their own emotions and others' (Moon) while also a lack of will to act (Solar). It definitely is more devastating than Mars, which only sins in regards to having a lack of empathy.

I'd say Saturn is more of a powerful influence than many other planets. It rules time, reality. The cold, hard truth - as it's often said.

Oh, and I really think that Aquarius fits Saturn quite well. This whole "hard reality" theme it has going really fits with the absolute logic, coldness and aloofness of Aquarius. Saturn is a very scientific, objective, cautious planet to me.

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Oh, and I really think that Aquarius fits Saturn quite well. This whole "hard reality" theme it has going really fits with the absolute logic, coldness and aloofness of Aquarius. Saturn is a very scientific, objective, cautious planet to me.

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Saturn is cooling and moderately drying, malefic, masculine and diurnal. Phainon makes those born under him dark-skinned, robust, black-haired, curly-haired, hairy-chested, and with eyes of moderate size, middling stature, having excess of cold and moist when morning rising, and dark, slender, small, straight-haired, with little bodily hair, rather graceful, black-eyed, having excess of cold and dry when evening rising, and in general, annoying, concealing, avaricious, ignorant, consistent, reserved, petty, malicious, having many anxieties, throwing themselves down, fond of solitude, deceitful, downcast, hypocritical, squalid, clothed in black, deviant, importunate, sullen and miserable. Saturn controls depressions and sluggishness, obstacles in business, interminable lawsuits, subversion of action, secrets, restraints, imprisonment, grief, accusations, tears, being orphaned, captivity, haunting, farmers, gardeners, workers of property, managers, seafaring and waterside trades, tax collectors, the elders, violent action, guardianship, great reputation, notable ranks, lands, administration of that which belongs to others, fathership of the children of others, bachelors, widows, childlessness, violent deaths by water, strangulation, dysentery, falling on the face, injuries and lower respiratory infections, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system, building materials like wood and stone, lead, dark colours and astringent tastes. It chronocrator over late old age up to death.



Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

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Re: SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

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SATURN is cold

'....Saturn brings about power based on wealth and amassing of treasure...'
Naturally. Saturn never gives fortune unless through patience, hard work, integrity, steadiness, etc. I personally admire very much the qualities of Saturn. It's the definition of a blessing disguised as bad fortune.

As for it ruling Aquarius on its own (like the title of this thread), I personally think it fits well with the sign but don't reject the idea of Uranus ruling it as well.

It's a bit complicated - even if it rules Aquarius then it wouldn't directly have much of an effect on the personal lives of people, would it?. Uranus is definitely a higher, spiritual energy to me, which has an affinity for the sign. I believe each sign is a spectrum of meaning which vibrates on many levels - from the ones we can easily pinpoint to those that are far out of our human understanding.

For the purposes of simplicity it's easier to think of Saturn as the main ruler of Aquarius.

Most of us live our lives in a under the rule of Saturn. People push through hardships to try achieve material success. Work in jobs for decades to slowly achieve a sense of comfort, to buy a house and have a family of their own. They learn from bad experiences like heartbreak, depression, loneliness, etc. The world is far too unevolved to be centered around, say a Neptunian goal. That'd be way more focused on world-peace and unconditional love.
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SATURN is cold

and

dry

and inimical to life
What would we be without an energy that forced us to be objective and give us distance from emotions and life? We wouldn't have science, humility wouldn't exist. The most powerful force of astrology would be the integration of every planet in a perfect harmonic way. We need all of them, don't we?





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Saturn is cooling and moderately drying, malefic, masculine and diurnal. Phainon makes those born under him dark-skinned, robust, black-haired, curly-haired, hairy-chested, and with eyes of moderate size, middling stature, having excess of cold and moist when morning rising, and dark, slender, small, straight-haired, with little bodily hair, rather graceful, black-eyed, having excess of cold and dry when evening rising, and in general, annoying, concealing, avaricious, ignorant, consistent, reserved, petty, malicious, having many anxieties, throwing themselves down, fond of solitude, deceitful, downcast, hypocritical, squalid, clothed in black, deviant, importunate, sullen and miserable. Saturn controls depressions and sluggishness, obstacles in business, interminable lawsuits, subversion of action, secrets, restraints, imprisonment, grief, accusations, tears, being orphaned, captivity, haunting, farmers, gardeners, workers of property, managers, seafaring and waterside trades, tax collectors, the elders, violent action, guardianship, great reputation, notable ranks, lands, administration of that which belongs to others, fathership of the children of others, bachelors, widows, childlessness, violent deaths by water, strangulation, dysentery, falling on the face, injuries and lower respiratory infections, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system, building materials like wood and stone, lead, dark colours and astringent tastes. It chronocrator over late old age up to death.
Thanks for leaving these quotes with their respective references by the way. I often find traditional astrological texts to be the most scrupulous. Haven't read the Tetrabiblos by Ptolemy thoroughly, so I might just do it after readign Vettius Valens' anthology.
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As for it ruling Aquarius on its own (like the title of this thread), I personally think it fits well with the sign
but don't reject the idea of Uranus ruling it as well.
It's a bit complicated
- even if it rules Aquarius
then it wouldn't directly have much of an effec
t on the personal lives of people, would it?
. Uranus is definitely a higher, spiritual energy to me, which has an affinity for the sign. I believe each sign is a spectrum of meaning which vibrates on many levels - from the ones we can easily pinpoint to those that are far out of our human understanding.
For the purposes of simplicity it's easier to think of Saturn as the main ruler of Aquarius.
.
obviously, invisible outer planets are Modernist astrological
HOWEVER
clearly

because

this thread discussion is on our traditional board

for thousands of years
Traditionally, Saturn IS the SOLE DOMICILE ruler of AQUARIUS
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The world is far too unevolved
to be centered around, say a Neptunian goal.
That'd be way more focused on world-peace and unconditional love.

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by the way
did you read the rules of our traditional board?
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(Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,)
as well as any asteroids
The focus is less on what would be considered modern psychological
chart interpretation and more on prediction.
Members who wish to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas
should feel free to start a new thread
in an appropriate forum for further discussion.
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Thanks for leaving these quotes
with their respective references by the way.
I often find traditional astrological texts to be the most scrupulous.

Haven't read the Tetrabiblos by Ptolemy thoroughly, so
I might just do it after reading Vettius Valens' anthology.

Traditional astrology is based on ancient astrological texts
originally written in Ancient Greek, Latin, Arabic
and so
traditional astrologers often provide references to translations
of those ancient texts
so that interested beginners have the required information
to check for themselves
and very happy that you are utilising the references and links



BENJAMIN DYKES offers a number of translations
of previously untranslated ancient texts
at https://bendykes.com/

.Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London.
Retrieved from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html

Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley.
Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf


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SATURN, Jupiter and Sun rejoice by day
Diurnal stars rejoice with diurnal images

Domiciles, exaltations, winds, bounds and configurations
control universal harmony


SATURN is exalted with Libra
and
depressed with Aries


Stars with their domiciles, exaltations and bounds
are always good
when benefic, they are better
when malefic, they are less bad.
Those who have many favorable placements
have distinguished nativities


Leo, Sagittarius, Aries - Sun, Jupiter, SATURN - NORTH WIND

Libra, AQUARIUS, Gemini - SATURN, Mercury, Jupiter - EAST WIND

Stars control the four divine winds.
They become good whenever the houserulers are ascending
or are post-ascending and favorably placed.
The first ruler is diurnal
the second is nocturnal
and the third is cooperating.
Changeover of the whole trigon occurs with the
completion of the rising time
and the recurrence years of the predominating houseruler
handing over to the other ruler.


In nativities, MALEFICS are better when they are post-ascending
for then they do not harm the stars and images that are ascending.
They are best when ascending and favorably placed
for then they bring good fortune.

And configurations are very strong within three degrees
SATURN and Mars are very bad with presence within three degrees
and
with tetragon and diameter rays
while Jupiter and Venus intervene with presence and all rays
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