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decide WHICH of candidate planets
is most fit to conduct its business


An important consideration in Hellenistic Astrology
is whether a planet is “...able to conduct its business....”

for example:

Conditions relative to the zodiac:
If a planet is in one of its own places
– i.e. domicile, exaltation, bound/term
– then that planet is able to conduct its business.


Note: If a planet is in a place of a sect mate
i.e. if the planet's dispositor is another planet of the same sect
and/or “....political party...”
then
that planet has some fitness and/or ability to conduct its business
- BUT it has to use the resources of its planetary sect mate.


For example, the diurnal sect planets are Sun, Jupiter and Saturn, and so
if Jupiter is in the domicile/exaltation/bounds of Sun or Saturn
Jupiter is able to conduct business
BUT Jupiter has to rely on Sun or Saturn for support.


According to Robert Schmidt http://www.projecthindsight.com/

a planet in its own place
i.e. in domicile, rulership, exaltation, bounds/terms
is situated
as if “....travelling in a shaded chariot....”
- thus even if that planet is combust
the planet can be effective and is able to conduct its business
Schmidt advises that, in today's terms

“...travelling in a shaded chariot...” is comparable to travelling in a limo
with the blinds drawn over windows of dark shaded glass.

So far as Hellenistic astrology is concerned
the ability of a planet to conduct its business is assessed in specific ways:
one of those assessments states that a planet can conduct business
when in the place of a sect mate:
Schmidt says HELLENISTIC SECT is a condition relevant to the sun
Conditions relative to Sun are:
When a planet is in sect, it is favorable to the native.
When a planet is out of sect, it is unfavorable to the native.
the Diurnal planets - Sun, Jupiter and Saturn
- are favorable in diurnal charts
and unfavorable in nocturnal charts.
The Nocturnal planets
- Moon, Venus and Mars
- are favorable in nocturnal charts
and
unfavorable in diurnal charts.

Schmidt says that the Hellenistic definition of sect
DIFFERS FROM the medieval definition of sect
because
Hellenistically sect is simply determined from the chart itself
i.e.
for diurnal charts, Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are in sect
and
Venus, Moon and Mars are contrary to sect.
For nocturnal charts
Venus, Moon and Mars are in sect
and
Sun, Jupiter and Saturn are contrary to sect.

The other definitions of sect found in Medieval Astrology are the rejoicing conditions.


Good
The Benefic of the sect is good
- i.e. Jupiter in diurnal chart
and
Venus in nocturnal chart
and
the destructiveness of the Malefic of the sect
can be used for the benefit of native
rather than against the native
- i.e against others = good for the native but not good for others

A Malefic contrary to sect is bad
i.e. Saturn in a nocturnal chart
and
Mars in diurnal chart
A Benefic contrary to sect aka NOT BELONGING TO THE "...political party in power..."
cannot pursue its own agenda.
Schmidt uses the analogy of its best function being that of "...the loyal opposition..."


There are other conditions
governing whether the business conducted by the planets
is favorable or unfavorable, these are

a) Conditions relative to the horizon:

If a planet in a whole sign house is configured to the ascendant/aspects the ascendant by whole sign
- then the planet is said to manifest its favorable significations to the native.
i.e.
if a planet is in house 1/3/4/5/7/9/10/11
then that planet can manifest its favorable significations to the native

If a planet is in a whole sign house in aversion to the ascendant
- i.e.
houses 2/6/8/12
- then the planet is said
to manifest its unfavorable significations to the native.

Example of how various combinations could work out when applied to a natal chart:
A planet in 8th house is fit to conduct its business
but that business is unfavorable to the native
as the 8th house is the Idle House in Hellenistic astrology.

A planet in the 7th house is fit and favorable
but is more favorable to others rather than to the native
because the 7th house is in opposition to the first house.




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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
SECT MATES ARE

OF THE DIURNAL SECT


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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...08#post1012608

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Apotelesmatika

1. Powers

SATURN is cooling and moderately drying



2. Qualities

SATURN and Mars are maleficent




17. Depressions

Aries is heating depression of SATURN
CAPRICORN is southern depression of Jupiter


27. Qualities

Saturn predominating indicates destruction by cold, with long illnesses, consumptions, withering, disturbances caused by fluids, rheumatisms, quartan fevers, falling, exile, poverty, imprisonment, mourning, fears, and deaths, especially among those advanced in age, scarcity and destruction of useful animals by disease, fearful cold, freezing, misty and pestilential corruption of air, clouds, gloom, multitude of destructive snowstorms, abundance of harmful reptiles, storms, the wreck of fleets, disastrous voyages, scarcity and death of fish, high and ebb tides of the seas, the excessive floods of rivers and pollution of their waters, want, scarcity and loss of crops, especially of those grown for necessary uses, through worms or locusts or floods or cloud-burst or hail, and the like

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Ancient working Astrologer VETTIUS VALENS
chronicled traits of the sign of Aquarius in his currenly two thousand year old ANTHOLOGY
at
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On The Nature of the Twelve Zodiacal Signs

'......Aquarius is the celestial sign
which is masculine, solid, anthropomorphic, somewhat damp, single.
It is mute, quite cold, free, upward-trending, feminizing, unchanging, base, with few offspring,
the cause of troubles arising from athletic training, carrying burdens, or work in hard materials, an artisan, public.
Men born under this sign are malicious, haters of their own families,
incorrigible, self-willed
deceitful, tricky, concealing everything
misanthropic, godless,
accusers, betrayers of reputations and the truth,
envious, petty
occasionally generous (because of <this sign’s> flow of water), uncontrollable....'


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"It's a good thing" for any planet that is of the sect in favor


If a planet is not of the sect in favor
then
it is the wrong time of day for the planet.


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

is not of the sect in favor in NIGHT charts








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JUPITERASC,
Looking between the two planets -

Mercury is dignified by being second trigon lord - not the best but dignity nonetheless
Mercury makes aspects to nearly all the sect mates - overcomes saturn in a square, trines Jupiter
Jupiter is dignified by face - and also by being the third trigon lord of gemini
It has interaction with the sect mates (and also some out of sect mates)
so perhaps I would judge as Mercury being the overall winner in this case.
What is your opinion?

MERCURY the SHAPESHIFTER

belongs to the diurnal sect when rising as a MORNING STAR
and
belongs to the nocturnal sect when setting as an EVENING STAR
and so
discern whether natal mercury is a Morning or an Evening star


MERCURY ADAPTING SHAPESHIFTING ABILITIES



Mercury as a MORNING STAR is of the diurnal sect
whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as a morning star is the Sun’s co-sectarian
along with Saturn and Jupiter.
Mercury as an EVENING STAR is of the nocturnal sect
whether or not that sect is in favour.
Mercury as an evening star is the Moon’s co-sectarian
along with Venus and Mars
and so
If the chart is a DAY CHART
THEN
the diurnal sect is in favour
and the Sun is the sect leader
and Jupiter and Saturn are the planets of the sect in favour:
and IF Mercury is a MORNING STAR, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour.

If the chart is a NIGHT CHART
then the nocturnal sect is in favour
and the Moon is the sect leader
and Venus and Mars are of the sect in favour:
and if Mercury is an EVENING STAR, then Mercury too is of the sect in favour



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by the way
Hellenistic astrologers did not delineate the planets in the signs

Robert Schmidt says the reason for this
is because the signs affect all of the planets in the same manner.


In other words, fixed signs prolong an issue
mutable signs break an issue off after a time, etc.
Therefore it is not very useful
to delineate planets strictly by their sign placement.
What Hellenistic astrologers did instead
is interpret the PLANETS according to the RULERSHIP of a given SIGN
by a planet which was called the "...oikodektor..."
The planets were said to have familiarized themselves with the signs
in the creation, in a process called "...oikeosis..."
The oikodektor was then made the house steward
because that planet was most familiar with
how that zoidion should be run
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SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
aka the IMAGE OF THE WATER-POURER

In ancient astrology the method
for determining the ruler of the chart was much more complex.

There are references to the MASTER OF THE NATIVITY in many
surviving astrological texts from Hellenistic astrology tradition,
but not many surviving discussions about how to calculate it.

The approach in this lecture is derived from chapter 30
of Porphyry's Introduction to the Tetrabiblos
which is itself derived from
a lost work of definitions by Antiochus of Athens.

How to calculate the predominator (epikratētōr)
the master of the nativity (oikodespotēs geneseōs)
the co-master or joint master of the nativity (sunoikodespotēs)
and the lord of the nativity (kurios).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo8gXjDEQmM&t=3470s
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SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

by the way

for beginners who do not know
HOUSE = DOMICILE
i.e.
House is aka Domicile







SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
AQUARIUs is aka the IMAGE OF THE WATER-POURER

In ancient astrology the method
for determining the ruler of the chart was much more complex.

There are references to the MASTER OF THE NATIVITY in many
surviving astrological texts from Hellenistic astrology tradition,
but not many surviving discussions about how to calculate it.

The approach in this lecture is derived from chapter 30
of Porphyry's Introduction to the Tetrabiblos
which is itself derived from
a lost work of definitions by Antiochus of Athens.

How to calculate the predominator (epikratētōr)
the master of the nativity (oikodespotēs geneseōs)
the co-master or joint master of the nativity (sunoikodespotēs)
and the lord of the nativity (kurios).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo8gXjDEQmM&t=3470s


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Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/

SATURN wishes good to no one
And he signifies old men and weighty men
and burdens and fear, griefs and sorrow
and the complication of the mind.

Quote:

SATURN in physical description
is described as '...cold and dry....'

This points to little flesh on the bones, small eyes
no alluring softness in curves and dimples
the hair is not soft, shiny and bouncy
but sparse and tends towards being lacklustre, pale or dull.

The body is generally thin and angular
with prominent bone structure
but sometimes it may incline towards excess fat, due to a weak, lethargic constitution.
The countenance is downward looking
and there is often an awkward gait, a slow, hesitant movement
with little trace of a spring in the step
www.skyscript.co.uk/astrology_saturn.html
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The illnesses of SATURN

are those

proceeding from

cold, old age, melancholy or depressed spirits.
The pain associated with Saturn illnesses is dull and aching
rather than sharp or burning.
The fevers are those that involve alternating periods of chills
or a fit of shivering, such as malaria.
The damage of Saturn's illnesses tends towards a progressive wasting of tissue.
These include arthritis, rheumatism, depression, consumption,
colds, chills and flu
and all illnesses that involve muscle fatigue, difficulty in breathing
and watery discharges from the nose and eyes,
strokes, paralysis or palsy, bruises and dark marks
chronic illnesses, coughs, dropsy, starvation
morbid fantasies, fears and nightmares, gout, gangrene, haemorrhoids
defects to the hearing, leprosy, miscarriage, scabbiness, scabies and lice
infections of the skin, and illnesses arising from poisons
or damage to the spleen, teeth or bones
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The illnesses of SATURN

are those

proceeding from

cold, old age, melancholy or depressed spirits.
The pain associated with Saturn illnesses is dull and aching
rather than sharp or burning.
The fevers are those that involve alternating periods of chills
or a fit of shivering, such as malaria.
The damage of Saturn's illnesses tends towards a progressive wasting of tissue.
These include arthritis, rheumatism, depression, consumption,
colds, chills and flu
and all illnesses that involve muscle fatigue, difficulty in breathing
and watery discharges from the nose and eyes,
strokes, paralysis or palsy, bruises and dark marks
chronic illnesses, coughs, dropsy, starvation
morbid fantasies, fears and nightmares, gout, gangrene, haemorrhoids
defects to the hearing, leprosy, miscarriage, scabbiness, scabies and lice
infections of the skin, and illnesses arising from poisons
or damage to the spleen, teeth or bones
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/astrology_saturn.html



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The illnesses of SATURN

are those

proceeding from

cold, old age, melancholy or depressed spirits.
The pain associated with Saturn illnesses is dull and aching
rather than sharp or burning.
The fevers are those that involve alternating periods of chills
or a fit of shivering, such as malaria.
The damage of Saturn's illnesses tends towards a progressive wasting of tissue.
These include arthritis, rheumatism, depression, consumption,
colds, chills and flu
and all illnesses that involve muscle fatigue, difficulty in breathing
and watery discharges from the nose and eyes,
strokes, paralysis or palsy, bruises and dark marks
chronic illnesses, coughs, dropsy, starvation
morbid fantasies, fears and nightmares, gout, gangrene, haemorrhoids
defects to the hearing, leprosy, miscarriage, scabbiness, scabies and lice
infections of the skin, and illnesses arising from poisons
or damage to the spleen, teeth or bones
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/astrology_saturn.html
Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses

with some causing less-severe disease, such as the common cold
and others causing more severe disease
such as Middle East respiratory syndrome aka MERS
and
Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome aka SARS coronaviruses

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NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
'....Therefore, the nature of Saturn is cold, dry, melancholic
dark, of heavy harshness.

And perhaps he will be cold [and] moist
heavy, of stinking odor
and he is of much eating and true esteem.

And he signifies works of moisture and the cultivation of land
and peasants, and village companions
and the settlement of lands
also buildings and waters and rivers
and the quantities or measures of things
and the divisions of the earth
also affluence and a multitude of assets
and masteries which are done by hand
greed and the greatest poverty and the poor. ....'

The Introductions to Traditional Astrology:
Abu Ma'shar & al-Qabisi from which this passage is extracted,
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Planets have Joy in SIGNS as well as HOUSES


the 12th House is - among other things
a house of Sorrow, Slavery and Imprisonment

Saturn is all about restricting
restraining
shackling
sorrow
and so
Saturn has its JOY in 12th house
because Saturn loves it there for those reasons


SATURN also REJOICES in AQUARIUS
and so
an AQUARIUS 12th house Malefic SATURN rejoices
in all the misery, restraining, shackling, sorrow and so on


SATURN transits each house for 2.5 YEARS
UNLESS RETROGRADE


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I use Rumen Kolevs parans software

https://www.babylonianastrology.com/

Paranatellonta are stars or star groups that fall upon angles
at the same time that a significant constellation
or
planet
such as for example
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is also upon the angles
They are viewed as attendants.

In ancient astrology the term was also applied to the constellations
that ascended with the zodiacal decans.
the term Paran (short for Paranatellonta)
is generally used to describe
stars or planets that are angular as a planet hits the ascendant
MC
Descendant
or
IC.




For example, the parans of SATURN would be
those stars or planets
that were rising, culminating, descending
or located upon the IC
at the same time that SATURN is in any or those positions.
Thus if the fixed star Regulus culminates on the Midheaven
as SATURN rises on the ascendant
it is referred to as a paran of SATURN
and considered to have an influence upon its meaning.
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FIVE Of The SEVEN Traditional Classical Planets
have BOTH a Day DOMICILE
&
A Night DOMICILE






NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

'...And he signifies travel by sea
and foreign travel [that is] far away and at great length, and bad.

And cleverness, envy and wits and seductions
and boldness in dangers and impediment, and hesitation
and being singular, and a scarcity of association with men
and pride and magnanimity and bluffing and bragging
and the subjection of men
also the managers of a kingdom
and of every work which comes to be with force and with evil and injuries

and a tendency to anger
even warriors and fettering and prison, also truth in words and esteem
and prudence and understanding
and experience, and offense, and obstinacy
and a multitude of thoughts and a depth of counsel
and insistence
and stubbornness in [his] method....'
Benjamin's Dykes' published work also contains introductions
and footnoted annotations.
For a pdf extract of material from various sections of his text see here.







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HOW TO DELINEATE SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


When faced with the smorgasbord of tools and techniques
found in Traditional Astrology

the beginner Astrologer often finds themselves asking
that singularly important question: "Where to begin?"


Steven E. Birchfield speaks about how best to orient ourselves
when beginning to read a natal chart traditionally.
There is a vast landscape of tradition, practice, and practicality
which one of the leading luminaries
within the field of Traditional Astrology in the world today
guides us on our journey
towards the heart of a grounded approach to Astrology.
Steven Birchfield on Reading A Natal Chart using Traditional Astrology
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Ancient meanings of the houses elegantly combined
fundamental astrological concepts
such as the distinction between day and night
the benefic/malefic nature of the planets
the symbolism of diurnal motion
the rulerships and exaltations in the Thema Mundi
the Joys





An interview with Demetra George


Demetra George on Ancient Astrology in Theory and Practice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJwKHkFZLts


ANCIENT ASTROLOGY IN THEORY AND PRACTICE
A MANUAL OF TRADITIONAL TECHNIQUES
- Volume One: ASSESSING PLANETARY CONDITION.

a DETAILED INSTRUCTIONAL MANUAL
that teaches you not only the techniques of ancient astrology
but also is a workbook
that helps guide you through the PRACTICAL APPLICATION
of the techniques with exercises and examples.

You can find out more info at:
https://rubedo.press/ancient-astrology





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Saturn in own DOMICILE aka house AQUARIUS
is essentially dignified and powerful
shows an individual who gets along with authority
and respects rank and privilege and is responsible
cool headed, scientifically minded
and
usually has a talent for mathematics and computer science.
Frequently, this individual
will move up in the corporate ladder
to very distinguished heights.
They have respect for the law.
Sometimes this individual runs into crises
that force he/she to learn
that the spirit of the law is more important
than the letter of the law.
Generally this person will tend to lean to the political right.


IN A NOCTURNAL CHART Saturn is still essentially dignified
but the natives social status is likely to be less powerful.
The coldness of night elementally
concentrates that which is alike and unlike together.
This creates lack of clarity in social circumstances
or a feeling of being cramped socially.
If feeling trapped in unfavorable social circumstances for too long
the native may develop misanthropic tendencies.
source Curtis Manwaring DELPHIC ORACLE


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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
and WHOLE SIGN HOUSES
Joseph Crane author of "A Practical Guide to Traditional Astrology"

shares with us his journey
through using house systems
then using no houses at all
and ultimately why he switched to Whole Sign Houses
and why you should do the same.




This conversation is timely, necessary
and brings up challenging considerations
but it also contains a rich and futuristic vision
of what Astrology can be
and
where we are going as a community
and
Why You should Switch to Whole Sign Houses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAcw56uvOgA



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SATURN

Physical descriptions offered:

Generally the body is cold and dry, of a middle stature
the complexion pale, swartish or muddy
his eyes small and dark, looking downward
a broad forehead, black or sad hair, and it hard or rugged
great ears, hanging
lowering eye-brows, thick lips and nose, a rare or thin beard
a lumpish, unpleasant countenance
either holding his head forward or stooping
his shoulders broad and large, and many times crooked
his belly somewhat short and lank
his thighs spare, lean and not long
his knees and feet indecent, many times shovelling
or hitting one against another.


You must observe, if Saturn is oriental of the Sun
the stature is more short, but decent and well composed
if occidental, the man is more black and lean, and fewer hairs
if Saturn lacks latitude, the body is leaner
if he have great latitude, the body is more fat or fleshy
if the latitude be meridional or south, more fleshy
but quick in motion.
If the latitude be north, hairy and much flesh.
Saturn in his first station, a little fat.
In his second station, fat, ill favoured bodies, and weak
and this applies to all the other planets.


Manners when well dignified:

Profound in imagination, severe in his acts, in words reserved
in speaking and giving very spare, in labour patient
in arguing or disputing grave
in obtaining the goods of this life studious and solicitous
in all manner of actions austere.


Manners when badly placed:

Then he is envious, covetous, jealous and mistrustful
timorous, sordid, outwardly dissembling,sluggish, suspicious, stubborn
a condemner of women, a close liar, malicious, murmuring
never contented, ever repining.


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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121676

Stars are unfavorably placed when they are with their depressions
and unfavorable houserulers
when they are inoperative, especially with the VI and the XII
when they are not rejoicing with their sects and images
when setting under the beams and retreating
whenever they are not rising alongside favorable non-wandering stars


when they are ascending from SATURN
and
when they are ascending from Mars
both particularly with exchanges of rays
and superior placements.



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To determine whether
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE OF AQUARIUS
is
a PRIMARY RULER of a chart
or not
Hellenistic astrologers have a number of primary rulers
all of which have different functions
The first probably most important
is the PREDOMINATOR of a chart.
The predominator of a chart
is the luminary of time
sun by day or moon by night
PROVIDED IS NOT CADENT

If sun is cadent in a Day chart then moon is predominator.
If moon is cadent in a Night chart then sun is predominator.

If both luminaries are cadent
i.e.
if both Sun and Moon are
then
ascendant is the predominator.


If the domicile ruler of the ascendant is also cadent
use the Lot of Fortune.
Some find that:
The cadent luminary can still be predominator
IF it is in his/her own house of Joy
i.e.
Sun is in 9th
or
Moon is in 3rd.

The predominator = planet that represents the life of the native.
The trigon aka triplicity lords of the predominator
tell use the thirds of life of the native
i.e.
first trigon lord = first part of life
second trigon lord = second part of life
and
third trigon lord = third part of life.
Once the predominator has been determined
then proceed
to determine the OIKODESPOTES of the natal chart.

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It survives in a summary of Balbilus and is also mentioned by Valens as a popular method along with decennials. The principle is the same as decennials, only the times are different.
You start with the predominator,
and then allot years as many as the minor recurrence years
of the planets in zodiacal order

(sun - 19,
moon - 25,
saturn - 30,
jupiter - 12,
mars - 15,
venus - 8
and
mercury - 20).

The difference between this and the 129 year method is that
if the stars should not be upon the degrees of their exaltations,
it will be necessary to
substract as many days as there are years, by sign, as many months.

One can further divide each time into 129 parts as many times as necessary.



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TRADITIONALLY

SATURN is SOLE DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS

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Traditional astrology is rooted in a world view that is much more deterministic or fate-based.

In traditional astrology you are not so much looking to ‘...transcend...’ your chart
as to understand
or divine
(divin-ation, learning the will of the divine)
your place in the overall order.
I think of it as aligning yourself with the order of the universe
and
how you happen to fit in it.....

....Traditional astrology places a heavy emphasis
on evaluating the condition of planets
sometimes fortunate and sometimes very unfortunate.

Also, some planets are naturally helpful or benefic
for example Traditionally


Jupiter aka The Greater Benefic is "...naturally helpful..."

Quote:

some are naturally disruptive or malefic.
for example

Traditionally
SATURN aka The Greater Malefic is "...naturally unhelpful..." "...naturally disruptive..."

Quote:


In traditional astrology all charts are not created equal
and not all planets are equally effective
some people are, if you will, fated for success, or good marriages or wealth
and some are fated to have rough lives in different ways.
So traditional astrology is much more focused towards a realistic evaluation of a chart
and how it works out in your life.
Traditional astrology does not ignore
or
gloss over
difficult or negative aspects of the chart.
....I have found that learning traditional astrology
has forced me to really think through
and come to terms with what I think is going on
when I read a chart for someone.

—–

In traditional astrology a planet in the 10th has nothing to do with capricorn
and a planet in Taurus has nothing to do with money.



.... signs in traditional astrology are used mostly as environments
within which the various planets can function
sometimes effectively, sometimes ineffectively.

The most important facts about the sign are
where is the ruler of that sign
and what shape is it in
and what planets are in that sign
and what shape are they in.


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No Sign is intrinsically strong or weak.
It is made so by the planets in it

or

the lack thereof,
and

by its position amidst the house cusps.

Just for example

as the mutable water sign
we might see Pisces as "...weak..."
but if

someone has Pisces in the 10th house

with the MC, sun and Jupiter - domiciled there

with Jupiter trining the - domiciled moon in Cancer,

Pisces has strength in this situation.
Much more so than the sun intercepted in Scorpio - fixed water

in 12th house.
You get the picture.
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There is no such thing as a weak sign.

There are weak placements

but no weak signs.

Signs are neutral.


They have descriptions, sure, like human, mute, violent, bestial,

fertile, barren, crooked, long ascending, and on and on,

but at the end of the day
THE SIGNS ARE NEUTRAL.

IT'S THE PLANETS

both in and that rule them
THAT BRING SIGNS TO LIFE

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TROPICAL Astrological SIGNS are distinct from the CONSTELLATIONS

with which over centuries, they were conflated
Originally, SIGN meant simply "...a Sign of the SEASON..."
because
SIGNS were basically a Calender of the Seasons
which followed the Seasonal Path of the Sun on the Ecliptic


source material

HISTORY OF THE ZODIAC

an in-depth exploration of the origins of the Babylonian Zodiac

and its location in the ecliptic
reveals that
the division of the ecliptic into tropical astrological signs
was originally a derivation of Euctemon's tropical Calendar of Seasons
(432 B.C.)

QUOTE

"...dividing the solar year into twelve equal months commencing with the vernal equinox,
in which each solar (tropical) month is named after one of each of the twelve signs..."Dr. Robert Powell

brief bio of Robert A. Powell
:

born Reading, England,1947 graduated in mathematics at Sussex university 1968
awarded Master's degree in statistics 1969
.
1969 to 1976 lectured in mathematics & statistics
in the Department of Computing and Cybernetics at Brighton Polytechnic.
1971 elected Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society.
From its inception in 1971

Powell was a tutor in mathematics for the Open University, until 1974.
Powell left Brighton Polytechnic in 1976

in order to complete his research on the history of the zodiac
during 1976-77 Robert A. Powell was visiting lecturer in astronomy

and the history of astronomy

at Emerson College, England
Powell also researched astronomical chronology at the Mathematisch- Physikalisches Institut, Dornach, near Basel, Switzerland.
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a Sign is comparable to an ENVIRONMENT and is NEUTRAL
and is neither weak nor strong nor partial

to use an analogy from nature:
a cactus thrives in sand in harsh sun and dies when placed in nutrient rich soil in shade




i.e.
sand is NEUTRAL
sand IS NOT partial to cacti



similarly SIGNS are IMPARTIAL and NEUTRAL


another example:




a mushroom thrives when placed in nutrient rich soil in darkness and dies when placed in sand in harsh sun

i.e. to be clear then
nutrient rich ground is NEUTRAL and is not PARTIAL to mushrooms


similarly SIGNS are IMPARTIAL and NEUTRAL

hence clearly

Signs are COMPARABLE to an ENVIRONMENT
an environment is IMPARTIAL


SIGNS are neither weak nor strong
Signs are NEUTRAL
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Traditional astrology has a heavy emphasis on sect
as defining the overall strength and weakness of the planets.
Charts are either diurnal or nocturnal
depending on whether the sun is above or below the horizon.
The different planets are either diurnal or nocturnal also
and the quality of their function
is greatly influenced by
their agreeing or disagreeing with the sect of the chart.
The form of traditional astrology I practice uses whole sign houses
which go back to the Hellenistic era and were used for over a millennium.

In whole sign houses all of the sign the Ascendant is in is the first house,
all of the next sign is the second, so sign and house boundaries coincide.
Whole sign aspects, seeing and aversion.
In traditional astrology, a planet anywhere in Cancer is trine a planet anywhere in Pisces
regardless of how close they are by degree.
(Traditional astrology also uses degree-based aspects, but for different purpose.)
Traditional astrology uses only what are called the Ptolemaic aspects
– sextile, square, trine, and opposition.
(Conjunctions are also used, but strictly speaking they are not aspects.)
A planet that aspects another planet can ‘...see...’ that planet.
Any planets that do not have one of these aspects
are considered to be in aversion
meaning they can’t see each other
so there is a lack of awareness between them.
There are multiple levels of rulers used
– Lord or Ruler, Exaltation, Trigon or Triplicity, Bound or Term, and Face,
and all but face seem to have been widely used.


There is much heavier emphasis on the Lord of the Ascendant
than on the sun.

Traditional astrology is mainly framed around answering specific questions
about specific areas of life.

Traditional astrology uses only traditional rulerships.
Mars rules Scorpio, Jupiter rules Pisces, Saturn rules Aquarius.
Also, to traditional astrology, rulership does not mean affinity;
it means that the planet is in charge of the affairs of that sign.
So
if you have a seventh house Taurus
the location and condition of Venus
are going to largely determine the nature and quality of your relationships.



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The Minor Years of the Planets
are consistently given in many different texts.
One source is
at the end of Book III
of the Anthology by Valens

free download.

Below are the Minor Years of each planet
  • SATURN – 30
  • Jupiter – 12
  • Mars – 15
  • Sun – 19
  • Venus – 8
  • Mercury – 20
  • Moon – 25
In various sections of the Anthology
especially Book VII
Valens uses the years of the planets for prediction.
He combines the minor years of planets that are in configurations.


Valens also
combines minor years of planets with those of their ruler.


The basic idea is that
a planet’s effects are likely to manifest
or ripen
near to the number of years of the planet.
Multiples of the years are also used.
For instance, Venus ripens every 8 years
so at age 16, 24, 32, and 40 she may also come into focus.

Note that the native’s 16th year is actually when he/she is 15
so the indication can also be
for the year leading up to that age.

Combining Years

Combinations include summing the Minor Years of two planets.
We can sum the Minor Years of a planet and its ruler
for activation of the planet in the sign.

For instance, age 27 may be an activation of
the Sun in Taurus - Sun 19 plus Venus 8.


Additionally, to time out the ripening of configurations
we combine the years of the planets involved.
For instance, age 27 may see the activation of
a Jupiter - 12 - square Mars - 15 - configuration in the chart.

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SATURN IS SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


The IMAGE OF THE WATER-POURER is aka AQUARIUS

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The image of the Water-Pourer
is masculine, diurnal, solid, watery, human, servile, eloquent, semi-infertile, handsome, standing and of the east wind. It indicates inquiries, affairs, crafts, water and property. Depending on the placement of the houseruler, men born under the influence of Aquarius are burdened, envious, lying, occasionally generous because of the uncontrollable flow of the Water-Pourer, craftsmen, public, mystical, youthful, delicate, with beautiful figure and eyes, smooth hair, dizzy, beautiful manners, white, working with hard materials, troubled by athletic training, artisans, wealthy, malicious, haters of their own families, incorrigible, making living by waterside places, betrayers of reputation and truth, accusers, haters of mankind, godless and uncontrollable.

Domicile of Saturn, it controls the lower legs, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system. It causes blindness on account of the water. It is like-empowered with Libra, like-ascending with Pisces and like-engirding with Capricorn, short in the Northern Hemisphere and tall in the Southern Hemisphere. It is wintry, cold and moist for the north, and summery, hot and dry for the south. Aquarius obeys Aries for the north and commands it for the south. Aquarius controls Sauromatica, Oxiana, Sogdiana, Arabia, Azania and Middle Ethiopia. The left hand and the head are rising up to the 7th degree, the body and the right hand up to the 13th, the pitcher up to the 20th, the water up to the 25th, and the falling water up to the 30th.

The first 7° belong to Mercury - mastery, lovers of wisdom
The next 6° belong to Venus - friendships with great women
The next 7° belong to Jupiter - notable, some are winners of games
The next 5° belong to Mars - lawsuits, injuries, some die violent deaths
The final 5° belong to Saturn - education, grief in youth

Shoulders, Left Arm and Cloak - Saturn and Mercury
Thighs - Mercury and moderately Saturn
Water - Saturn and moderately Jupiter


Such, then, are the observations of the effects of the stars
as made by our predecessors.


Bibliography:
Ludwich, A. (Ed.). (1877). Maximi et Ammonis carminum De actionum auspiciis reliquiae: accedunt Anecdota astrologica. BG Teubneri. Retrieved from
https://archive.org/details/maximiet...00ludw/page/n3
Manilius, & Goold, G. P. (1985). Astronomica. BG Teubner.
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages. Project Hindsight.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf



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