Astrology On The News!!!!!

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cl0udmaKer

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On the news this morning they were talking about how the zodiac needs

"updating" since the earth has shifted back 23.5 degrees that means all your signs in your chart move back

that many degrees too! so I WAS RIGHT VEDIC ASTROLOGY IS
RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t:
 
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Olivia

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Jyotish works. Tibetan astrology works. Persian astrology works. Western predictive astrology works. And some of those use the tropical zodiac. But whether you use a tropical or sidereal system, you need a competent astrologer.

Western psychological and modern astrology I have reservations about, and I don't practise either of them, but assuming it's in the hands of a knowledgeable psychologist, it might work, too. I'm just not too clear on what it's actually supposed to do, nor have I been terribly impressed with what I've heard from psychologist-astrologers. But that doesn't mean there aren't any good ones out there.

Persian and western systems tie the constellations to the equinoxes, sidearealists don't. But either system could be considered 'flawed' by astronomers and debunkers, because some constellations are huge (way more than 30 degrees) and some are tiny. Plus there are constellations on top of other constellations, like Ophicus, which nobody uses at all (except three new agers).

They're kind of missing the point of the symbolic aspect of the zodiac.
 
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cl0udmaKer

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actually no they just said since the earth shifted 23.5 WESTERN astrology needs

updating since vedic already goes with equinox. And the other constellations

haven't moved just the earth so yeaH!! hah and i dont really know what your

talking about them working or not there all the same just like jupiter in libra or

sun in virgo or anything like that just like a normal birth chart :biggrin:
 
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Olivia

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What I'm talking about is none of the constellations in the zodiac measures out at 30 degrees. Some span 60 degrees, some span 14 degrees.

Therefore, whether you use a tropical or sidereal zodiac, the planets aren't actually lining up with the REAL constellations in the sky, they're lining up with the symbolic, 30-degree constellations that are used by astrologers who work with either the sidereal or tropical zodiac.
 
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Olivia

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac#Zodiacal_constellations

In part:

It is important to distinguish the zodiacal signs from the constellations associated with them, not only because of their drifting apart due to the precession of equinoxes but also because the physical constellations by nature of their varying shapes and forms take up varying widths of the ecliptic. Thus, Virgo takes up fully five times as much ecliptic longitude as Scorpius....
 
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cl0udmaKer said:
On the news this morning they were talking about how the zodiac needs

"updating" since the earth has shifted back 23.5 degrees that means all your signs in your chart move back

that many degrees too! so I WAS RIGHT VEDIC ASTROLOGY IS
RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t::w00t:
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This isn't news to astrologers who understand the precession of the equinoxes.
 
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cl0udmaKer

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Olivia said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac#Zodiacal_constellations

In part:

It is important to distinguish the zodiacal signs from the constellations associated with them, not only because of their drifting apart due to the precession of equinoxes but also because the physical constellations by nature of their varying shapes and forms take up varying widths of the ecliptic. Thus, Virgo takes up fully five times as much ecliptic longitude as Scorpius....
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yeah im sure if constellations did anything astrologers would be using them, cause im not a virgo!!!!!!
 
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cl0udmaKer

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eternalautumn said:
cl0udmaKer: You seem to be quite ignorant. Perhaps I can help enlighten you.

The Zodiac signs as we use them were originally based on the actual constellations they were named after. However, because each constellation was not 30 degrees in length, the ancients "invented" the Zodiac, which is a "generalization" of the constellations, a version in which they are all 30 degrees. In the beginning, this Zodiac overlayed the constellations pretty well. But with the precession of the equinoxes, the actual physical constellations have moved, but the "overlayed" Zodiac has stayed in the same place. That is what the article is talking about, and it should not be news to any astrologer, because that is something you learn pretty early on, at least if you're serious about studying astrology.

But, I think you're a troll. Have fun getting banned. :smile:
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of course there not in 30 degrees thats why they separated them from

eachother by making them different signs and they studied those individual

points to match each sign and yeah i know about the equinox too!! thats

what this whole thing is about vedic astrologers already use the equinox

(shifting of the world going backwards) and now the news is talking about it
so now other websites will update their stuff to match the degrees! DUH

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please get back on the subject, to all

All,

Please get back on the subject under discussion and leave off with the insults. There is a lot of debate among astrologer on which is the "right" zodiac and why. This debate can be productive if it leads to others understanding each others views and the reasons why each zodiac exists, but the debate can not be productive if people start insulting each other in the middle of the debate.

Civilly,

Tim
 
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cl0udmaKer

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NO finish it here i want to know what these "constellations" are all about and why they aren't used in a normal birth chart cause seriously.. iv'e never even heard about them having any effect on degrees or anything like that until Olivia said
 
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eternalautumn

The constellations... If you don't know what the constellations are, I don't know what to tell you. Google it?

They're not used in a "normal" birth chart because we don't use the constellations for astrology, we use the Zodiac.

They don't have any effect on "degrees". The tropical Zodiac has stayed in the same place it originally was, and hasn't shifted with the equinoxes. The sidereal Zodiac has shifted with the equinoxes, and that's why when you change a chart from tropical to sidereal the signs change.

However, none of this is new to astrologers. The fact that whatever news agency posted a random article about it recently does not mean it was recently discovered.
 
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Olivia

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cl0udmaKer said:
NO finish it here i want to know what these "constellations" are all about and why they aren't used in a normal birth chart cause seriously.. iv'e never even heard about them having any effect on degrees or anything like that until Olivia said
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I thought your point was that Jyotish astrology is 'astronomically correct' and western astrology isn't. Apparently that's not your point.

The constellations are made up of stars, and uh...look them up. An astronomy primer for children, or your local planetarium should have all this information, as will the Internet. You might also want to look up in the sky and see them, providing you can see stars from where you live.

You also know that the planets all have different distances from the Sun so they don't crash into each other when they conjunct, yes? As well as different orbital speeds, that retrograde is an optical illusion as seen from earth, because planets don't actually go backwards, but when they're very slow in orbit (and always relative to their position with regards to the Sun) they sometimes appear to go backwards from our view here on earth, yes?

My point was that any system of astrology is based in symbolism to some degree, including Jyotish.
 
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cl0udmaKer

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eternalautumn said:
The constellations... If you don't know what the constellations are, I don't know what to tell you. Google it?

They're not used in a "normal" birth chart because we don't use the constellations for astrology, we use the Zodiac.

They don't have any effect on "degrees". The tropical Zodiac has stayed in the same place it originally was, and hasn't shifted with the equinoxes. The sidereal Zodiac has shifted with the equinoxes, and that's why when you change a chart from tropical to sidereal the signs change.

However, none of this is new to astrologers. The fact that whatever news agency posted a random article about it recently does not mean it was recently discovered.
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DO YOU NOT GET IT. the earth HAS SHIFTED making all different types of astrolgy shift 23.5 degrees BACK sidereel has already been doing this but western hasnt thats all i wanted to say.

@ olivia yeah i already know that so your saying sidereel also goes with the constellations? well ok im still a libra in sidreel
 
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eternalautumn

DO YOU NOT GET IT. the earth HAS SHIFTED making all different types of astrolgy shift 23.5 degrees BACK sidereel as already been doing this but western hasnt thats all i wanted to say.
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No, I do not get it. Please explain it for me. I'm awfully confused.
 
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Olivia

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cl0udmaKer said:
DO YOU NOT GET IT. the earth HAS SHIFTED making all different types of astrolgy shift 23.5 degrees BACK sidereel as already been doing this but western hasnt thats all i wanted to say.

@ olivia yeah i already know that so your saying sidereel also goes with the constellations? well ok im still a libra in sidreel
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No, sidereal does NOT go with the constellations. It uses the zodiac, just like western astrology does.
 
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Olivia

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Dude, why don't you just spend a couple hours today looking up this stuff? The wiki link I provided is a start. Wikipedia isn't always fantastic, but this is basic stuff - and there are lots more sites online, too, that will explain this to you.
 
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cl0udmaKer

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Olivia said:
No, sidereal does NOT go with the constellations. It uses the zodiac, just like western astrology does.
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YEAH it uses the zodiac like EVERYthing does, TELL ME ONE thing that actually uses the constellations the constellations aren't meant to be used in astrology unless your just measuring the distance away from them which makes up the zodiac.

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cl0udmaKer

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eternalautumn said:
I would ask to borrow yours, but it seems to be under heavy duress. :smile:
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[attacking comment deleted - Moderator] since astrology began it was really accurate but then like 3000 yrs later since the earth has shifted from its axis because of gravity and such things its moved which means its pointing in different directions in the stars.
 
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