Lack of emotional awareness

Both systems are complementing each other but Placidus gives more detail.
My moon is in Aquarius in 10th with Placidus, but using whole signs it ends up in 9th, the moon ruled house changes too, from 3rd in Placidus to 2nd in whole signs. This literally adds up to rational status of thought and money means higher education/philosophy/foreign travels.
The Placidus effect is when I don't have money to spend, I read a lot of stuff normal people aren't interested in. The whole signs effect is clearly noticeable in case I do have money, I'll either spend on education or go travelling. This choice solely depends on the amount of time I have for 'going walkabout'.

I've been watching this thread with curiosity since your friend & I have almost identical placements & life stories. I seriously want to post my chart just to prove it.

Funny, I've been dabbling with astrology for a year now & never would've guessed that Plutonic influences can lead to repression. I instantly thought of 12th house placements or an especially heavy Saturn. I should go home, LOL.

Speaking from experience, paternal abandonment leaves behind damage that can't be fixed or totally understood with astrology or by caring friends. It's understood least of all by that individual. This may be why some are insisting that he seek the help of a psychotherapist instead of an astrologer. I don't necessarily think you should feel guilty for wanting to help him, though. (I'm amazed that with his Pluto aspects he still managed to confide in you. I'll never have friends because I don't believe in sharing secrets most of the time, which I gather is off-putting to most. He's further along than I am, that's for sure!)

MentalMercury said:

Both systems are complementing each other but Placidus gives more detail.
My moon is in Aquarius in 10th with Placidus, but using whole signs it ends up in 9th, the moon ruled house changes too, from 3rd in Placidus to 2nd in whole signs. This literally adds up to rational status of thought and money means higher education/philosophy/foreign travels.
The Placidus effect is when I don't have money to spend, I read a lot of stuff normal people aren't interested in. The whole signs effect is clearly noticeable in case I do have money, I'll either spend on education or go travelling. This choice solely depends on the amount of time I have for 'going walkabout'.

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I don't quite understand your logic. Are you saying that the house system you use depends on life circumstances?

No, just that they complement each other. There are many house systems but they are all descriptive of the individual or situation. It is like waybread said

I sort of think of house systems like photos of the same person, but some show the full face, another shows a profile, and another one gives an oblique angle. They're all photos of the same person, just different perspectives.

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waybread said:

I sort of think of house systems like photos of the same person, but some show the full face, another shows a profile, and another one gives an oblique angle. They're all photos of the same person, just different perspectives..

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I've noticed that whole sign houses seem to be...trending, for lack of a better word, and granted I'm still a beginner compared to most of y'all but I just can't get behind it. I thought Placidus was the house system that everyone used, and maybe I'm being a stubborn Taurus, but Placidus is what works for me and if something works, why should I change it? I like the way Waybread put it though.

Whole signs seem too simplistic for my taste, anyway.


Interestingly enough, all of my planets stay in the same house, no matter what system I use so it isn't really that big of a deal for me. But like, my friend tells me she has a problem expressing anger. I can't contradict this because I've never seen her angry either. Using Placidus, her Mars would be in the 12th house, which fits like a glove. Using whole signs would place her Mars in the 1st which doesn't sound right. I can think of a million examples. Okay, one more: I have another friend with a lot of health problems. Health and healing are important themes in her life. Using Placidus would place her Sun in the 6th house. Whole signs would place her Sun in the 7th house which doesn't really seem accurate. The other thing I don't understand about whole signs is the angles: so my Midheaven (Aquarius) is now in the 9th house as opposed to the 10th (now Pisces), but doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of what the Midheaven represents?? Whole signs seem valid if someone lives above the 66 degree parallel though, and Waybread is probably right.

To me, it's largely a conceptual thing. For a few techniques, I find whole signs very useful. But for most techniques I find quadrant houses more descriptive, so I use both, depending on what I'm looking for.

I also mark that when reading charts on the horary forum here that they seem to work in whatever system the person cast them in, even if it's one I don't normally use.

There is no one true house system. So if you like Placidus, use Placidus, though I think the real reasons for its popularity is that for many years (pre computer age) it was the only house system you could get tables for, and now with astro.com it's the default setting, so it's the one people use most. The system of house division in Placidus is based on planetary hours, and that's certainly got a lot of sense to it.

You might want to switch to whole sign if you're doing a chart for someone who was born near one of the poles, though. Quadrant houses don't do very well in locales where the sun doesn't rise or set for months at a time.

The whole 'which house system is right' business is in no way deserving of the energy put into all the arguments about it.

As for the MC changing houses in whole sign, it could be that you're best known (what the MC shows) for something ninth house, like teaching, science, spirituality, travel, or something eleventh house, like humanitarian work. It's not that out there.

Member Alice McDermott (professional astrologer Alice Portman) has said that different people respond differently to different house systems. Apart from the problem of Placidus at high latitudes, some people might just be a better match with one system than other.

I think all house systems have some kind of value as the personality of an individual is a highly complex and interactive system. It just gives more information about the blind spot in some ways?

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Your friend tells you she has a problem expressing anger which is confirmed by her Mars in 12th and you never seen her angry. The thing is, she tells you she has a problem with expressing anger, a 1st house issue. She wants to express (1st) anger (mars) but bottles it up (12th). Your other friend has health problems and health and healing are important themes in her life. When dealing with health problems (sun in 6th) you need docters/specialists/patient support groups/health information/etc etc which are all 7th house issues, effectively connecting 6th (health) to 7th (others). About your MC in Aquarius which ends up in 9th and the 10th being pisces.
Apparently your rational status is expressed in higher education, life philosophy, foreign things, the typical 9th house stuff. Why does astrology and this forum comes to mind?
Interesting is the Pisces in 10th. Do you have any problems with 'self sacrificing' yourself or serving others or are in a profession which makes the ego less important then the demands of universe? like a serving profession or attitude?