Black Lives Matter, Marxist?

[blackbery]

He's a GREAT PATRIOT, didn't know that about him before he became president. Cannot wait for four more years.

The topic is BLM. Have you any comment about the 'peaceful videos'.

One can only conclude that you and David support the violence and the eradication of the monuments and statues of the Founding Fathers and the abolitionists. The president prevented them for destroying the Lincoln memorial which means so much to this country. Thank God for Trump during this madness.



https://youtu.be/sVkkHJpc5Q0

Originally Posted by waybread

Trump does not love America in the patriotic way you think. He's a narcissist with no prior service to the country, who, as a former successful realty TV star, understands what gets high ratings from his audience.


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[david starling]

This thread is in the right forum. It's hot enough to pop popcorn!

[david starling]

Blackbery, why New Zealand?

[JUPITERASC]

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Tragic Story Of Indiana Mother Is NOT Being Covered By Mainstream Media
What Actually Happened??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUuivm5Fo-I


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[JUPITERASC]

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Supreme Court rulings and Trump's taxes
are Much Ado About Nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dDnyvTMtdQ


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[AppLeo]

Originally Posted by blackbery

You bore me with your stupidity and ignorance as if you understand what patriotism means.

With your language, I doubt you do any justice for American Western principles.

If the remnants of Americanism are people who side with Trump so willingly and unquestioningly, then the West deserves to fall.

Enjoy the decline.

[AppLeo]

Originally Posted by waybread

David, this is a really good analogy.

As we've pointed out many times, Black Lives Matter does not actually mean nobody else's life matters. It comes from a profound experience that their lives have not mattered enough to the white majority or to police departments. Unfortunately, too often, to say "all lives matter" is intended to dilute or discredit a specifically African American experience.

In my opinion, no one really cares about racism or the death of George Floyd. Floyd was a depraved human being who was murdered by another depraved human being. These people are irrelevant. BLM has been around for a while, yet the movement suddenly takes precedence now? Why now? Why not before? Floyd's death was a convenient excuse to release pent up anger and resentment from the clear destruction of our economy and social cohesion.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by AppLeo

In my opinion, no one really cares about racism

or the death of George Floyd.

you are entitled to your opinion


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[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by AppLeo

Floyd was a depraved human being

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on the contrary


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[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by AppLeo

who was murdered by another depraved human being.

These people are irrelevant.

Siriusly

[JUPITERASC]

however
given other comments elsewhere
such as

Originally Posted by AppLeo

I wish I grew up in poverty or something


because the idea of doing anything uncomfortable
is just unacceptable.

Unlike most people

money isn't my problem.

clearly something else is

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by AppLeo

I'm a fascist libertarian.

I will take control


and shove my beliefs down your throat

Siriusly

[Monk]

Hi Jup,
Not my usual thread to get involved with, as i live in London, UK., however, this,
topic involve's us all, as is made clear, in time, Obviously police dogs in the United States need better training, beyond what has happened before:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZef8NLme2E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmZHm1rnC30

[Monk]

Obviously, English slave traders sold slaves to American States, I'm not saying the English were ok to sell them to American Colonies, but you bought them to become rich, then, they didn't apply to become part of the United States, therefore treat them equal in manner to all other people!

[wilsontc]

All,

I was called in to Moderate this thread. Instead of going back and moderating ALL the attacking comments, I simply started at the reported post and went from there. Going forward from HERE, please do NOT personally attack others when expressing your opinion. Focus on the PROBLEM not the PERSON (on the Forum).

Back to heated discussion with no attacking,

Tim

[JUPITERASC]

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A 15-year-old Black high schooler in Michigan
was incarcerated in May
during the middle of the coronavirus pandemic
because she didn’t complete her online homework
in violation of her probation.

Yes, you read that right.

In the middle of a pandemic
where special needs students are especially struggling
to complete coursework
and legal experts are urging juvenile detention centers to release children
a 15-year-old was thrown in detention
for falling behind on her online homework.

Her hearing isn’t until September
so she’ll be separated from home
and unable to access the additional learning support from her teachers
for four entire months

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[david starling]

Police departments are socialist by nature. They're non-profit and community owned, through local governments. Even conservative members of the Libertarian Party agree that non-profit community owned police and fire departments are preferable to for-profit, privately owned police and fire service.

Same goes for the National Guard, the Coast Guard, and the Armed Forces, on the State and National level.

Marxism is based primarily on economic "class", and contends that there's a "ruling class" keeping the "lower classes" in servitude by various means, including keeping them divided and fighting against one another. The police are considered to be "enforcers" for the ruling class.

[JUPITERASC]

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New Documentary NAILS It
Drives Home That NO ONE Should Be Divided By Race
No Matter Their Politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfDtbDM2FDo.


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[blackbery]

This is inaccurate assessment of the situation and you are wrong. The entire world was rightly outraged at witnessing the 9 minute suffocation of a man by a racist cop.

If the victim had been a white man and the cop a black man would you think the act was justified?

If anyone can point the finger at another person and classify them as 'unworthy to live' then society will no longer exist. Even the racist cop Chauvin deserves a fair trial as a consequence of his heartless murder of another human being.

We live in a democracy where we have rule of law and not vigilante justice. A person may think you are a depraved human being. Would that give them the right to put a knee to your neck and squeeze the life out of you? No, AppleLeo,
we don't live in such a country and that's a very good thing.

Thank God we live in a society where sociopaths don't get to kill whoever they deem as 'depraved or unworthy'. The initial anger WAS completely understandable with anyone who has eyes to see what they saw. However, the BLM has been taken over by a far sinister movement, that of the removal of the U.S. government. Since they have neither the power to do that at the moment, they cause chaos, carnage in the streets and have started an insidious climb to remove police departments by 'defunding'. Without the police, the gun violence and general crimes increase and creates more confusion, division, mayhem.

This is the goal of BLM; it's no longer about curbing racism or holding police accountable; it's about the destruction of the country. So far, 30 people have died, mainly black from their 'peaceful protests' and about one billion for property damage. There are many naive, white people with 'white guilt' who believe that BLM is a worthy cause. They are being used as pawns for this violent organization and enabling them to dismantle civil discourse. Some on this forum, along with the naive, white people haven't got a clue about the real motivation behind BLM

Only if Trump is elected will the BLM be stopped. I predict they will be classified as a domestic terrorist organization within 2 years.
That will be the end of them.

Originally Posted by AppLeo

In my opinion, no one really cares about racism or the death of George Floyd. Floyd was a depraved human being who was murdered by another depraved human being. These people are irrelevant. BLM has been around for a while, yet the movement suddenly takes precedence now? Why now? Why not before? Floyd's death was a convenient excuse to release pent up anger and resentment from the clear destruction of our economy and social cohesion.

[blackbery]

Because nobody is there and it's clean and open and safe.

Far away from America but still with modern luxuries and democracy that I can't live without.

For if Biden wins, I won't be witness to the slow deterioration of all that I value in a democracy and the total destruction of my NY which is going the way of Chicago because the woke Democrats refuse to stand up to the BLM.

However, I predict that Trump will win in light of what has happened in the past six weeks since George Floyd was murdered. People are realizing that the Democrats are using the 'race issue' to secure power and think it's outrageous.

ALL LIVES MATTER slogan has a far better acceptance than BLM slogan in the latest poll by both white and black respondents.

Originally Posted by david starling

Blackbery, why New Zealand?

[david starling]

I predict BLM will fade away on its own, once this surge of emotional release has run its course. I really don't see BLM as being a planned effort to overthrow the Constitutional government.I

As for police departments, it's not about abolishing them, it's about reforming them into what's being called "community-based policing". Looks like it involves more police rather than less, with a less militaristic attitude. The original "defund" idea is to shift the police budget away from buying extremely expensive, high tech, military equipment that can be used to suppress dissent, in order to fund more community-friendly services.

Interesting to see if it can reduce crime, especially homicides and rapes, in the long-term. However, since I'm convinced that the "War on Drugs" is the major cause of violent crimes in impoverished, inner-city areas, I don't see much progress along those lines unless we drastically revise our national and local drug policies. We also need a new "War on Poverty" strategy which enables and encourages people currently unemployable to join the work force and be able to earn a "living wage". The extreme rate of violence is in the tightly-packed, economically-depressed communties--nothing to do with "race", per se.

[david starling]

Originally Posted by blackbery

Because nobody is there and it's clean and open and safe.

Far away from America but still with modern luxuries and democracy that I can't live without.

For if Biden wins, I won't be witness to the slow deterioration of all that I value in a democracy and the total destruction of my NY which is going the way of Chicago because the woke Democrats refuse to stand up to the BLM.

However, I predict that Trump will win in light of what has happened in the past six weeks since George Floyd was murdered. People are realizing that the Democrats are using the 'race issue' to secure power and think it's outrageous.

ALL LIVES MATTER slogan has a far better acceptance than BLM slogan in the latest poll by both white and black respondents.

The message from the BLM slogan is getting through, loud and clear: Minorties which have been subjected to less-than-fair treatment, especially by the legal system, must be included in the slogan, "'ALL' Lives Matter".

Otherwise, "All Lives Matter" it's just an empty, theoretical exercise in futility , with no improvements intended.

[blackbery]

I wish you were right David but BLM is not going to stop their violence unless the leaders stand up to them and Democrats refuse to do that, taking their side and allowing the carnage to carry on. The latest on the gun violence in NY.

For decades, New York City had embraced the title of the “safest big city in the country.” But now, as it cautiously emerges from months of a coronavirus lockdown, it is battling a surge in gun violence.

The latest numbers are stark: 53 people were shot — four fatally — from Friday through Monday, the police said. Over the Fourth of July weekend, the police reported 64 shootings.

The 53 people shot in NY between Friday and Monday included a 1-year-old boy who was killed on Sunday when two gunmen opened fire at a cookout in Bedford-Stuyvesant, and a 17-year-old boy who was shot in the head on Monday night outside a housing project in East Harlem.

Also on Monday, in the Canarsie section of Brooklyn, five people were shot in three drive-by shootings. The victims were expected to survive, a police official said.

All the victims are black, killed by other black citizens, all a result of NY police no longer having the anti-crime unit or support from the leaders to do their job effectively. Police in NY are leaving in record numbers and the streets have been taken over by the criminals. We need law and order more than ever.

Originally Posted by david starling

I predict BLM will fade away on its own, once this surge of emotional release has run its course. I really don't see BLM as being a planned effort to overthrow the Constitutional government.I

As for police departments, it's not about abolishing them, it's about reforming them into what's being called "community-based policing". Looks like it involves more police rather than less, with a less militaristic attitude. The original "defund" idea is to shift the police budget away from buying extremely expensive, high tech, military equipment that can be used to suppress dissent, in order to fund more community-friendly services.

Interesting to see if it can reduce crime, especially homicides and rapes, in the long-term. However, since I'm convinced that the "War on Drugs" is the major cause of violent crimes in impoverished, inner-city areas, I don't see much progress along those lines unless we drastically revise our national and local drug policies. We also need a new "War on Poverty" strategy which enables and encourages people currently unemployable to join the work force and be able to earn a "living wage". The extreme rate of violence is in the tightly-packed, economically-depressed communties--nothing to do with "race", per se.

[blackbery]

You mean that the country wasn't aware that there is racism in America before BLM was founded a few years ago?

Racism against Jews, other minority groups such as Catholics, Sikhs. Racism against Asians and others? What about Natives? Racism existed in America since the country was formed. We've come a long way and we haven't reached the finishing line yet. Do Korean people, for instance, kill other Koreans and burn and loot because they face terrible discrimination?

Racism against certain groups exists in the world and will never fully go away.
You cannot control an individual's thoughts. Yet, America is one of the most tolerant and welcoming countries in the world. The few racist cops do not account for the 90% of cops who do a great job, putting their life on the line for all citizens.

BLM is not about helping curb racism or helping black communities. You and the entire country will find this out in time. Luckily, Trump is onto their movement and will shut them down once he's elected.

Then the true healing can begin and civil approaches to combat racism.

Originally Posted by david starling

The message from the BLM slogan is getting through, loud and clear: Minorties which have been subjected to less-than-fair treatment, especially by the legal system, must be included in the slogan, "'ALL' Lives Matter".

Otherwise, "All Lives Matter" it's just an empty, theoretical exercise in futility , with no improvements intended.

[david starling]

Originally Posted by blackbery

You mean that the country wasn't aware that there is racism in America before BLM was founded a few years ago?

Racism against Jews, other minority groups such as Catholics, Sikhs. Racism against Asians and others? What about Natives? Racism existed in America since the country was formed. We've come a long way and we haven't reached the finishing line yet. Do Korean people, for instance, kill other Koreans and burn and loot because they face terrible discrimination?

Racism against certain groups exists in the world and will never fully go away.
You cannot control an individual's thoughts. Yet, America is one of the most tolerant and welcoming countries in the world. The few racist cops do not account for the 90% of cops who do a great job, putting their life on the line for all citizens.

BLM is not about helping curb racism or helping black communities. You and the entire country will find this out in time. Luckily, Trump is onto their movement and will shut them down once he's elected.

Then the true healing can begin and civil approaches to combat racism.

BLM is serving the purpose of showing the NEED to combat the unfair treatment of minorities. The Civil Rights Movement has been resting on its laurels, after gains made over 50 years ago.

I see BLM as an immediate "wake up call", not a permanent phenomenon. It's also a temporary, excessive, emotional outlet during these difficult times, which are especially due to the stellium in tropical Capricorn.

Jews have fared better than the descendants of Slaves, and the displaced indigenous peoples. So have Mexican-Americans and Asians. But they ALL have to be accorded more genuine acceptance by the majority population in order to "form a more perfect Union", and "establish domestic Tranquility", as mandated by the Preamble to the Constitution.