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Cancer is also extremely observant. All the water and earth signs look inward to an extent. I feel like people often forget that to make output you need input first.

One would not expect Cancer in third house to be primarily concerned with writing science fiction, and yet, here we are.
It's something I notice as well. I can think of many of the Cancer influenced people I know keep to themselves yet are still able to catch the little details that other people miss. They also have a good ability to pick up innuendo and implications. No need to spell it out for them.

An apt metaphor might be that Cancer is ruled by the fastest planet in the pantheon so they would be inclined to "soaking up everything" around them. If they have a talent for writing and are intelligent/original enough that's the right stuff for success.

With you, You do have an active 9th house going on as well which I wouldn't rule out completely in regard to science fiction. I mean, it is Capricorn ruled and your 3rd house ruler is cozily snug right in there.

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BTW, for anyone with prominent Virgo, part of happiness is knowing that life is in some ways, predictable and not chaotic.
Virgo is the "fixer" and Virgo is almost always happy when "fixing" something broken.

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I would second this. I have Virgo Venus, and I am comforted by things like lists with checkboxes. As a kid, I used to map out my entire day on a notepad.

My partner has Moon in Virgo opposed Sun/Venus/Mercury conjunct in Pisces, square Saturn in Gemini. "Fixer" would be an understatement. He is systems-level obsessed fixer.

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I've seen it in a few cases but it's by no means exhaustive. My thinking is that the Moon and 3rd share an affinity through writing and that makes it easier or more attractive for a person with that config. to take up writing, at the very least as a hobby. Modernly, the Moon speaks about emotional expression and our "deep feelings" which writing helps to express. I know there were a few times in my life where I'd have insomnia, and the only time I was allowed to sleep was to spit out a few verses. I was barred from comfortable rest otherwise.

Just like other things in astrology, I'd expect that there would be many different ways that the charts to play out in order that an area of interest would come to the fore. A funny little thing I notice is that many of the active members on here have shown interests in writing, and that makes sense as forum posting, sharing of information/"self", communication, and writing are all linked to each other. We all seem to have active 3rd houses going on.

You have any samples of your writing that you're willing to share?
3rd makes sense for forum writing because of the day-to-day nature of that house and of posting in forums. 9th house could also be communications-heavy, but more broad. And of course, a prominent Mercury.

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The back-and-forth about happiness on this thread keeps leading me back to the Oatmeal. What is Mr. Inman channeling, here?

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/unhappy
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Re: Jupiter and what makes us happy

I'd agree. My Jupiter is in Pisces in the 11th.

Things that make me happy:
helping people
spending quality time alone
spending quality time with my SO
spending quality time with friends/family
animals, just in general, all of them
nature
big ideas
new stuff I never heard before
reading
Yoga
art
the perfect temperature and mixture of wind and sun on my face
music music music

Edit: I also agree with other posters that Venus also plays a part. Mine is in Taurus in the 12th (see nature, music, sensual things above)
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I would second this. I have Virgo Venus, and I am comforted by things like lists with checkboxes. As a kid, I used to map out my entire day on a notepad.

My partner has Moon in Virgo opposed Sun/Venus/Mercury conjunct in Pisces, square Saturn in Gemini. "Fixer" would be an understatement. He is systems-level obsessed fixer.



3rd makes sense for forum writing because of the day-to-day nature of that house and of posting in forums. 9th house could also be communications-heavy, but more broad. And of course, a prominent Mercury.

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The back-and-forth about happiness on this thread keeps leading me back to the Oatmeal. What is Mr. Inman channeling, here?

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/unhappy
I really like that post of his, and I think it probably resonates for a lot of people.

I'm an emotional person, so it doesn't really resonate for me. I definitely experience highs and lows, and some of those highs are happiness. However, I agree with him that happiness as a state of being is temporary. I think contented, but not complacent, is the state of mind/soul I'd like to strive toward. I obviously love the bursts of joy and hate the bouts of anger and sadness, but they too have their uses.

And the flow he speaks of when you are doing something you love? I forgot to mention that specifically, but yes, that fills me with a very positive, content feeling, when I'm engaged in work that makes me forget where I am and the time.
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I see Jupiter as a "big picture" Planet. Zeus/Jupiter was the premier Sky-god, supportively looking down from above. So, its placement in a House means being generally concerned about overall conditions in that Area of Life. Happiness results when things are going well, and conditions are generally improving. There's also a felt need for improvement, and happiness is contingent on the feeling that, despite setbacks, the storm will pass, and the winds of change will ultimately be blowing in the right direction. The trick is to not get too discouraged when you feel like you've been blown off course, or when you feel becalmed, and at a standstill.
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I see Jupiter as a "big picture" Planet. Zeus/Jupiter was the premier Sky-god, supportively looking down from above. So, its placement in a House means being generally concerned about overall conditions in that Area of Life. Happiness results when things are going well, and conditions are generally improving. There's also a felt need for improvement, and happiness is contingent on the feeling that, despite setbacks, the storm will pass, and the winds of change will ultimately be blowing in the right direction. The trick is to not get too discouraged when you feel like you've been blown off course, or when you feel becalmed, and at a standstill.
Happiness is freedom, to me. When one feels free, change can be accepted; the world as it is can be accepted. Jupiter also represents a lack of restrictions, and it follows as a planet of happiness that way.

Inman was describing Saturn, I think. Toiling but feeling accomplished. Being drawn to work, being compelled to go through pain to obtain some end result that one feels is important. Happiness is not the goal. It seems like that fact is what he was reacting against. He took issue with the assumption that happiness is a reason to act.

I have Jupiter in the 11th house, and I can safely say I have never been want for friends. If I want a friend, I can find one, and get along with most everyone (there was a period during heavy transits to Saturn where this wasn't true, however). I usually have the problem of too many friends and people I care about. Going to see good friends does lift my spirits and mood. That is true with a lot of people, but I think for me it can be especially unexpectedly good for me.

To help understand how Jupiter operates, watch Jupiter transits and how it cycles through the natal chart. You will notice patterns of good fortune where the winds blow in your direction, or periods where you become reckless, depending on what Jupiter touches.
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My partner has Moon in Virgo opposed Sun/Venus/Mercury conjunct in Pisces, square Saturn in Gemini. "Fixer" would be an understatement. He is systems-level obsessed fixer.
I am curious to learn if it comes from his mother. He was born on a full Moon which means a stong influence of the Moon. And the Moon is in Virgo and has a square to Saturn. So, maybe it was his mother that was a fixed person.

With his Saturn in Gemini square Mercury, how is he with communication?
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I am curious to learn if it comes from his mother. He was born on a full Moon which means a stong influence of the Moon. And the Moon is in Virgo and has a square to Saturn. So, maybe it was his mother that was a fixed person.

With his Saturn in Gemini square Mercury, how is he with communication?
His mother is an Aqua Sun (he has Jupiter in Aquarius). He speaks of her as always fighting to make their small town a better place, and running into a lot of opposition. A super high energy person; enthusiastic about life, strong personality. A playwright and professor. I find her intimidating, but only because she is hard to read and it is difficult to know what she is thinking.

Communication is a labor for him. He is very communicative, but worries over it, and so tries to perfect it. When he is stressed, he cannot finish a sentence. He restarts over and over because he cannot decide on the right words. He is a writer and poet. His ability to influence others with speech and writing is becoming more pronounced as he gets older. He has been teaching college students part time, and he is somewhat uncomfortable with how much they seem to latch onto his every word and take up his causes with more zeal than he intends. I tease him about becoming a cult leader. We have been working on publishing a book.
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I've seen it in a few cases but it's by no means exhaustive. My thinking is that the Moon and 3rd share an affinity through writing and that makes it easier or more attractive for a person with that config. to take up writing, at the very least as a hobby. Modernly, the Moon speaks about emotional expression and our "deep feelings" which writing helps to express. I know there were a few times in my life where I'd have insomnia, and the only time I was allowed to sleep was to spit out a few verses. I was barred from comfortable rest otherwise.

Just like other things in astrology, I'd expect that there would be many different ways that the charts to play out in order that an area of interest would come to the fore. A funny little thing I notice is that many of the active members on here have shown interests in writing, and that makes sense as forum posting, sharing of information/"self", communication, and writing are all linked to each other. We all seem to have active 3rd houses going on.

You have any samples of your writing that you're willing to share?
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I am curious to learn if it comes from his mother. He was born on a full Moon which means a stong influence of the Moon. And the Moon is in Virgo and has a square to Saturn. So, maybe it was his mother that was a fixed person.

With his Saturn in Gemini square Mercury, how is he with communication?
Just to follow up on this, as we happened to discuss this directly; we were talking about his mother and her thought/communication style following Mother's Day. I said I find it difficult to communicate with her, but couldn't not put a finger on why, and he laughed and said I wasn't the only one who felt that way.

We came to the conclusion that she is very focused and narrow in how she processes information - he described her as an arrow. She reinforces a conclusion over and over (this contrasts with my mother, whom re-processes over and over, as if she forgot she already thought about it. She comes to a different conclusion and then denies she ever stated the previous conclusion. She has Mercury in Scorpio square Saturn in Leo).

He said that his mother's stubborn, laser focused attention might be why he is so careful about how he articulates himself and why he feels he needs to be as accurate and complete as possible when he finally speaks.
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Mine is in my 5th House in Virgo. So getting attention for being able to help people in a practical way is pretty accurate for my life, along with working really hard at fine-tuning a creative art or job.
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Jupiter is conjunct my ascendant and has rulership over 6 planets in my chart as well as my ascendant and part of fortune. "Happy" is not a word I would use to characterize myself. In fact, one of the first threads I created on this forum was entitled, "Why is Sagittarius associated with buoyancy and joviality" because I've never truly related to the merry making traits of Sagittarius and being an exemplar of the sign, it made me call into question the stereotype.

Anyway, what I do relate to is that I am extremely exploratory. I'm willing and able to go to places that people wouldn't dare to (or care to). All for the Sagittarian drive to gain wide ranging experiences and attain "the mysteries" of the world and beyond.

I've been flirting with a thought that this might be the basis of the feelings of "happiness" and it's relation to Sagittarius/Jupiter. Dopamine is a chemical related to feelings of positive emotion.



Astrologically, we see a lot of Jupiter here. Reward and motivation are the most known qualities related, but we also see sexual gratification and arousal (traditionally Jupiter was indicative of a highly sexed nature and I'm sure your familiar with the mythology of Zeus. Even lactation, which brings to mind Cancer and Jupiter's exaltation therein.

This paper I've encountered makes clearer of the connection I'm referring to.

http://ski.clps.brown.edu/papers/KayserExplore_NPP.pdf



We know astrologically that Jupiter/Sagittarius are associated with exploratory, strong belief in the self to tackle the world (the so call optimism), and gambling/taking risks. Well, this study shows the link between these traits and the dopaminergic systems in the brain. Having an internal locus of control sounds an awful lot like the self-belief that supposedly is a characteristic of Jupiterian behaviour, It even makes mention of dopamine and it's role in learning - a very integral part of Jupiter/Sagittarius' focus.

So, while happiness is not an emotion that I'm particularly buddy buddy with in my life, I do display/have a lot of traits that would characterise one with high dopamine levels.

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May I see your chart? I may be able to offer an explanation. I am a fellow Sag stellium.
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OK. I won't be able to get to it today. It's not one of those interpretations that can be summed up in a cute one-liner so I'd rather look at it when I have the time to give my full attention, out of respect for anyone who shares a chart. But I get where you're coming from. Sag stellium. Pretty big energies for certain generations. Been there, doing that..
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I don't think so.. I have jupiter in Libra in 11th house and I don't believe in friendship and I'm a solitary person.
Interesting. Is it same in both Placidus and Whole-sign?
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Interesting. Is it same in both Placidus and Whole-sign?
Was wondering the same thing. The solitary effect sounds very 12th house - something I know very well.

As for my Jupiter....lol, its not really a Jupiter. It tries to be, but its just not. Looks nice on paper though! Nothing like looking at an exalted Jupiter.
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As for my Jupiter....lol, its not really a Jupiter. It tries to be, but its just not. Looks nice on paper though! Nothing like looking at an exalted Jupiter.
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Wounded by Chiron?
Did you guess that one? If so, you're right on the money. But there is more.

Forgetting Chiron, it opposes Saturn and Squares Mars. Both of whom are in their domicile. Reception between my Jup and those two are akin to a two on one beat down. Though I suppose Mars would be the one getting tag-teamed by a duo who can't agree on anything (Jup and Saturn opposition).

Cheerfulness, laughter and faith aren't something I have. Can fake it, sure, but its never really there.

What would Chiron add to this?
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Did you guess that one?
No, it was just a little chiron sarcasm.

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What would Chiron add to this?
You can heal others through humor?

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Cheerfulness, laughter and faith aren't something I have. Can fake it, sure, but its never really there.
I'm always amazed by the number of comedians and clowns that claim to be tortured souls. Humor is only a means to vent frustrations.

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Forgetting Chiron, it opposes Saturn and Squares Mars. Both of whom are in their domicile. Reception between my Jup and those two are akin to a two on one beat down. Though I suppose Mars would be the one getting tag-teamed by a duo who can't agree on anything (Jup and Saturn opposition).
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No, it was just a little chiron sarcasm.
And I didn't pickup on this...huh. I need sleep. Good one regardless.

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I gagged a bit.

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I think jupiter is about expansion. When somrthing expands its collecting energy. I think in harmonious aspects its about seeking a certain energy whereas harsh aspects are about giving away. For instance venus trine jupiter would seek out gratifications or beauty. Mars conjunct jupiter would seek out dangerous situations whereas mars opposing jupiter might give out their drive.

Of course, these are very generalized generalizations.

What makes us happy depends on numerous factors.
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Interestingly Cayce attributed jupiter with the keyword "strength"
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