david starling
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So I have Mars in 0 deg Virgo biquintile Neptune. Mars is also my chart ruler. Will I become a Ted Bundy-style jail breaker?
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how does mars in virgo fight?
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david starling
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In the 12/12 pattern I've been studying, it matters a great deal what Sign an Indicator is in, to determine what quality it takes on; and, its intrinsic strength also. Mars is strong in Virgo, and I've labeled it "in-Service" to the Chart , making it a "Benefactor" when in that position.
In contrast, while also strong, Mars in Sagittarius is a "Motivator" in the Chart, imparting a Sense of Purpose. Just what that purpose is, will be a product of the entire Chart, but in the case of Mars in Sagittarius, it will be pursued with tremendous determination.
This is from a pattern that involves the Elements and Modalities of the Signs in Direct sequence.
In contrast, while also strong, Mars in Sagittarius is a "Motivator" in the Chart, imparting a Sense of Purpose. Just what that purpose is, will be a product of the entire Chart, but in the case of Mars in Sagittarius, it will be pursued with tremendous determination.
This is from a pattern that involves the Elements and Modalities of the Signs in Direct sequence.
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Starsareround
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Does your friend's Mercury aspect any planets in Libra, say Saturn or Jupiter in Libra? Or 8th house? I find it difficult to believe Mercury in Virgo itself can produce a brilliant legal mind. The one case I know of was a great engineer, but technical proficiency doesn't necessary equate to strategic problem solving.[/Q
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I beg to differ here! Mercury in Virgo is the definition of strategic problem solving. I have mercury in Virgo and (in the words of my boss and colleagues, not me) am personally responsible for strategically generating 20% more revenue for the entire company in one year. All we Mercury Virgos do is strategically problem solve! We can’t turn our brains off!
-Above quote from Gemwdepth-
I beg to differ here! Mercury in Virgo is the definition of strategic problem solving. I have mercury in Virgo and (in the words of my boss and colleagues, not me) am personally responsible for strategically generating 20% more revenue for the entire company in one year. All we Mercury Virgos do is strategically problem solve! We can’t turn our brains off!
Starsareround
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And not to belabor the point here, but do you really think Mercury is exalted in Virgo for...technical proficiency???
Mercury in Virgo is hyper focused on one thing, it’s a powerful magnifying glass wherever it decides to turn its attention. If there is something that others have missed, Mercury in Virgo will know. We are specialists, not technicians.
Mercury in Virgo is hyper focused on one thing, it’s a powerful magnifying glass wherever it decides to turn its attention. If there is something that others have missed, Mercury in Virgo will know. We are specialists, not technicians.
GemwDepth
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So I have Mars in 0 deg Virgo biquintile Neptune. Mars is also my chart ruler. Will I become a Ted Bundy-style jail breaker?
Lol...sounds more like mini-Napoleon to me. Ted didn't have Mars in Virgo, I was just making the point about Mars-Pluto-Neptune as a force to be reckoned with. You gotta transform that Mars square Pluto to good use tho, then, you got the potential to become, Napoleon like.
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GemwDepth
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Do enlighten me please. Please no offense intended by my comment. I am interested to know. I've always thought Mercury in Virgo is rational, logical, and quite linear problem solving, based on memorization of a lot of details. Like how a computer programmer codes and solves problems, using a set definition of known and tangible rules. I've just never equated it to strategic forms the likes of Libra and Cancer...but of course that depends on one's definition of strategy.
We can indeed expand this thread to more Virgo placements!
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GemwDepth
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Does your analysis take into consideration traditional sects? Wouldn't that alter the picture a great deal?
Starsareround
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I’m not offended, piqued
.I really haven’t experienced my Virgo Merc to be nit picky in terms of analysis. I have a weird brain, I’m not very good at a lot of things, but I am exceptionally good at a very few things, and to me this is the heart of Mercury in Virgo. We aren’t meant to be plugged into a preexisting system. We have too much of our own mental systems in place. I think we are good at developing new ideas and systems to implement, but of course it all depends on other aspects indicating creativity.
GemwDepth
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I’m not offended, piqued
I really haven’t experienced my Virgo Merc to be nit picky in terms of analysis. I have a weird brain, I’m not very good at a lot of things, but I am exceptionally good at a very few things, and to me this is the heart of Mercury in Virgo. We aren’t meant to be plugged into a preexisting system. We have too much of our own mental systems in place. I think we are good at developing new ideas and systems to implement, but of course it all depends on other aspects indicating creativity.
Tinkering with some questions to ask you soon... But wondering if I can see your natal to see where the talents are coming from. PM is cool.
Starsareround
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My chart is all over this forum in various threads, and I do have exalted jup in cancer in the 10th sextile my Merc as well as Uranus sextile Merc, I’d be happy to try to puzzle this out with you 😀
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YES. Mercury In Virgo is tremendous for problem solving and trouble shooting.
And they can be quite intelligent,and creative, deep thinkers, not simply technically proficient.
For example:
Leo Tolstoy---a Russian writer – novelist, essayist, dramatist and philosopher – as well as pacifist Christian anarchist and educational reformer.
Madame Blavatsky --- a founder of the Theosophical Society
J.K Rowling---an English fiction writer who writes under the pen name
CoCo Chanel----a pioneering French fashion designer whose modernist philosophy, menswear-inspired fashions, and pursuit of expensive simplicity made her arguably the most important figure in the history of 20th-century fashion. Her influence on haute couture was such that she was the only person in the field to be named on TIME Magazine's 100 most influential people of the 20th century.
Alfred Hitchcock---was a highly influential film director and producer who pioneered many techniques in the suspense and thriller genres. He directed more than fifty feature films in a career spanning six decades, from the silent film era, through the invention of talkies, to the colour era.
Her Mercury sextiles Uranus in Cancer, which may improve her problem solving skills.
But in and of itself, Mercury in Virgo is highly intelligent and well equipped for strategic planning and problem solving. Mercury is at home and highly attuned in Virgo, the sign of detailed, skilled, organizational thought.
wan
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Very true. In fact, I am wondering about Mercury in Virgo sextiling Moon (or maybe Mars) in Scorpio. Such a person must be so good at outfoxing people, it's scary.
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Lykanized
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Interestingly, my dad's a Virgo Mercury with a Scorpio moon and he's a lawyer. Well, at least that was his profession, now it seems he's going into teaching. I've never seen him in action, so I can't attest for the Virgo Mercury-Scorpio placement mix,but the fact he was drawn to being a lawyer probably says something
He is a very intelligent man, not very creative or imaginative which he'll admit himself, but he's very logical and rational and can defeat with pure facts
He is a very intelligent man, not very creative or imaginative which he'll admit himself, but he's very logical and rational and can defeat with pure facts
Gemini888
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I think this whole thing also has something to do with Mercury's house placement and aspects, as well as other planets' involvement.
My theory for why Virgo Mercury can be creative is that Virgo can see details others miss. Virgo also can't help fixing things. So when you see something is missing in your field and you know exactly how to fill in the gap, what would you do? Certainly you won't just walk away. Virgo may be less imaginative than other signs, but it's more willing to make a change if it has a chance.
Starsareround
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It’s an interesting question; why is Mercury so favored in Virgo when it seems like it may be fairly limited and restricted based on sign description? I can only say that from my experience, (and I have that Virgo Merc right on the ascendant and it’s also my chart’s final depositor) is that I become obsessed absolutely obsessed with mental persuits. When there’s a problem I’m trying to solve, I don’t sleep. I go over and over every angle and do not let myself rest until I can satisfy myself that the problem is solved. Because of this full on engagement with projects, creativity comes naturally because I fully emmerse myself in “the world” I’m dealing in and I don’t stop to wonder whether or not the world I am envisioning and engaging with during that process matches what others would do or have done (well that’s not exactly accurate because all the while I’m checking a cross checking likely results with a metric that includes a working knowledge of what has come before), so results can be pretty unique. But I believe anyone who focused all of their energy like this would get similar results, it’s just that’s what Merc in Virgo likes to do and does naturally. Like my situation at work, I came on board and I just “saw” everything totally different than how it was, and just was lucky enough that my boss believed in my vision and alllowed my to transform his business. Only after implementing my ideas did I think gee, hope this works! Because I had been too busy thinking, thinking and working. I’m still kind of shaking my head about how wonderful it was/is to develop and actualize all the crazy stuff in my brain.
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Gemini888
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Just curious how do you think Mercury in Gemini works? It seems that Gemini isn't as favored in Mercury as Virgo, Mercury is both ruled by and exalted in Virgo, although Gemini has more similar traits to Mercury. In the end what does Mercury want? A jack-of-all-trade like Gemini or an obsessive analyst like Virgo?
Starsareround
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I hear you! It seems like Mercury might be happier in Gemini than in Virgo, I always kind of envied the Gemini approach. For instance, I’m still a hunt and peck typist and generally not at all impressive when it comes to a lot of manual dexterity and/or mental quickness. I don’t care too much anymore now that I know my brain works well in its own way, but especially when I was younger, I really felt stupid because I couldn’t pick things up quickly.
Mercury in Virgo is 'improved' by the mutable EARTH element, in my opinion. I think the Earth energy helps ground the Mercury in Virgo, and give it focus and stability and an outlet for it's talents and skills.
Mercury in Gemini can be more problematic, in my experience with many Merc/Geminis that I have known.
Mercury in Mutable AIR has a hard time 'decelerating' and slowing down it's mind at the end of a long day of high speed thinking. Mercury in Gemini tends to get trapped in their heads, caught up in mental gymnastics, and can have difficulties when trying to focus on the most important, basic matters at hand. I have seen them become mentally exhausted and suffer anxiety, even panic attacks, when over wrought due to undue worry, concern.
I think maybe the difference is that Mercury in Virgo can put some of their plans into concrete action, as Virgo solidifies skills, as artists/craftsmen, etc.
Gemini often relies upon others to carry out their ideas, plans, instructions, and so things are left in the air, and it makes them feel vulnerable and at odds until things are carried out in the future?
Starsareround
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Mercury in Virgo is 'improved' by the mutable EARTH element, in my opinion. I think the Earth energy helps ground the Mercury in Virgo, and give it focus and stability and an outlet for it's talents and skills.
Mercury in Gemini can be more problematic, in my experience with many Merc/Geminis that I have known.
Mercury in Mutable AIR has a hard time 'decelerating' and slowing down it's mind at the end of a long day of high speed thinking. Mercury in Gemini tends to get trapped in their heads, caught up in mental gymnastics, and can have difficulties when trying to focus on the most important, basic matters at hand. I have seen them become mentally exhausted and suffer anxiety, even panic attacks, when over wrought due to undue worry, concern.
I think maybe the difference is that Mercury in Virgo can put some of their plans into concrete action, as Virgo solidifies skills, as artists/craftsmen, etc.
Gemini often relies upon others to carry out their ideas, plans, instructions, and so things are left in the air, and it makes them feel vulnerable and at odds until things are carried out in the future?
Yes, okay, thank you, that's exactly it. Earth manifests ideas.