Astrologers' Community  

Go Back   Astrologers' Community > General Astrology > Natal Astrology > Aspects & configurations

Aspects & configurations Discuss here about natal chart aspects and configurations.


Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Unread 01-04-2017, 03:27 AM
AppLeo's Avatar
AppLeo AppLeo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 12,119
Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

This question just came up and maybe it's a pointless question because in the end.. both of these aspects are hard and it doesn't really matter which one is harder.

Which would be more difficult, a square, opposition, or even a conjunction??

Which one would be the hardest to deal with: Sun square Saturn, Sun opposite Saturn, or Sun conjunct Saturn???

Or maybe it has more to do with degrees. If someone has a tight opposition between the Sun and Saturn, compared to someone who has a conjunction between Sun and Saturn then the person with the opposition should have it harder right??

Or does it depend on signs as well... If the Sun-Saturn aspect took place in the signs of Capricorn or Aries, then it would probably be harder than the aspect taking place in like... Leo and Aquarius?? I don't know.

__________________
crow epistemology
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to AppLeo For This Useful Post:
AtomsInPlace (02-27-2017)
  #2  
Unread 01-04-2017, 04:14 AM
Cupid Arrow's Avatar
Cupid Arrow Cupid Arrow is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 325
Quote:
Originally Posted by AppLeo View Post
This question just came up and maybe it's a pointless question because in the end.. both of these aspects are hard and it doesn't really matter which one is harder.

Which would be more difficult, a square, opposition, or even a conjunction??

Which one would be the hardest to deal with: Sun square Saturn, Sun opposite Saturn, or Sun conjunct Saturn???

Or maybe it has more to do with degrees. If someone has a tight opposition between the Sun and Saturn, compared to someone who has a conjunction between Sun and Saturn then the person with the opposition should have it harder right??

Or does it depend on signs as well... If the Sun-Saturn aspect took place in the signs of Capricorn or Aries, then it would probably be harder than the aspect taking place in like... Leo and Aquarius?? I don't know.
Opposition
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Unread 01-04-2017, 04:23 AM
AppLeo's Avatar
AppLeo AppLeo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 12,119
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cupid Arrow View Post
Opposition
Can you explain why please?
__________________
crow epistemology
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Unread 02-27-2017, 12:17 AM
Cupid Arrow's Avatar
Cupid Arrow Cupid Arrow is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 325
Quote:
Originally Posted by AppLeo View Post
Can you explain why please?
Because an opposite you cant control or see.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Unread 02-27-2017, 12:27 AM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 62,721
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cupid Arrow View Post

Because an opposite you cant control or see.

On the contrary
From visual perspective something opposite is easily seen
OPPOSITION =
The action of opposing, resisting, or combating

__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to JUPITERASC For This Useful Post:
AtomsInPlace (02-27-2017), Vyri (02-27-2017)
  #6  
Unread 02-27-2017, 12:42 AM
detectahead detectahead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 320
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

A lot has to do with the strength of the planet within the chart itself. As far as strength or importance of an aspect I would have to go with the conjunction
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to detectahead For This Useful Post:
JUPITERASC (02-27-2017), Vyri (02-27-2017)
  #7  
Unread 02-27-2017, 12:56 AM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 62,721
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

Quote:
Originally Posted by detectahead View Post

A lot has to do with the strength of the planet within the chart itself.
As far as strength or importance of an aspect
I would have to go with the conjunction

Avoid generalisation even if it is fun
tempting but notoriously unreliable
fact is
also depends WHICH of the planets are opposing each other
and from which sign location
and from which house
and from which degrees of those signs
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to JUPITERASC For This Useful Post:
Vyri (02-27-2017)
  #8  
Unread 02-27-2017, 01:44 AM
Vyri Vyri is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Oregon
Posts: 569
Send a message via ICQ to Vyri Send a message via AIM to Vyri Send a message via MSN to Vyri Send a message via Yahoo to Vyri
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

The Brotherhood of Light describe s the processes similar to these for opposition, square, conjunction:

The Conjunction as you know brings two forces together and however they are designed in element and humor one which is more powerful wins over the effect of the other or they both "agree" to blend and bring that whichever they rule together to be profited by, or otherwise.

A square acts with much force as in a major scuffle between the two forces..usually an outer force they are connected with siphoning off the obstacle will rarely not be seen or involved in the scenario-to lets say help the two planets joined in the obstacle to surmount the energy in its effect..i.e.; the two planets involved are damaged in some way and the energy can be lasting or the two planets activities will effect a conclusion-with much disagreement, the two forces leave each other worse for ware. The square has an effect of overturning vessels of wine to each involved in the energies wake ..There is rarely a loss which does not occur to one or the other of the participants, usually both, unless they can agree to desist in the energy which is accomplished by the type of third party element/energy introduced which is benign/and helps to amend.. or not (depending upon the condition of the planets involved.) The other factor or planet being the source of their help is usually a Karmic/Dharmic (by this I mean a lasting heavier outer force, which Lilly affectionates do not acknowledge) to leave the two with a lesson of mending possibilities, lest the two become completely ruined, in effect the two involved are aided or abetted by forces. (houses signs planets) The effects of the scuffle may be viewed as in a personal war-The diplomat enters to temper the square energy. As the diplomat enters and the two abiding kings resolve the distress by a third ambassador who brings new action into the process ..as in a fight there may be some lose of life or limb, metaphorically speaking, damage controlled and the third party reconciles them in some way , briefly touched on as mentioned. The process is reconciliation of a hard lesson of effectiveness, a saving grace is the process..you've heard the expression, adversity developing character...ipso-facto here.

There are some whom believe the force of the square is so powerful that it is assumed it is the more devastating of them all, but it is this astrologer's opinion it is the opposition which is the more powerful, rendering as-sunder and separating, as two powers come to logger heads boiling back along each other's path of energy until one is completely within the wake of the forces of the other..hence the valuation of separation, the forces take from each other as each is more or less more powerfully expressed in their values and meanings from houses/signs elevation..etc.

Here in ends the lesson..The BrotherHood of light based in Los Angeles California has a much more succinct explanation than I am capable of giving here.

All the best

Vyri

Last edited by Vyri; 03-07-2017 at 05:34 AM.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Vyri For This Useful Post:
StillOne (02-27-2017)
  #9  
Unread 02-27-2017, 02:09 AM
IleneK's Avatar
IleneK IleneK is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: in this mysterious cosmos
Posts: 5,205
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

Just my opinion, but all other things being equal, I think that Sun square Saturn and Sun conjunct Saturn are the more difficult. The square because of its ambush-like quality. Sort of like one planet lurks around the corner from the other. The conjunction is difficult because of its overwhelming quality.

With the opposition, at least you can see it. It is right in front of you. Maybe in your way, but still right in front of you.
__________________
Ilene

"You gotta have heart..." Richard Adler 1921-2012
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to IleneK For This Useful Post:
StillOne (02-27-2017)
  #10  
Unread 02-27-2017, 02:41 AM
detectahead detectahead is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 320
Quote:
Originally Posted by JUPITERASC View Post
Avoid generalisation even if it is fun
tempting but notoriously unreliable
fact is
also depends WHICH of the planets are opposing each other
and from which sign location
and from which house
and from which degrees of those signs
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand "generally" what I am pointing out.
Reference was to a conjunction not opposition

Last edited by detectahead; 02-27-2017 at 02:48 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Unread 02-27-2017, 02:46 AM
Cupid Arrow's Avatar
Cupid Arrow Cupid Arrow is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 325
Quote:
Originally Posted by JUPITERASC View Post
On the contrary
From visual perspective something opposite is easily seen
OPPOSITION =
The action of opposing, resisting, or combating

No, my friend has a lot of opposition in her chart and she doesnt realize how she acts in certain situations. So no, the opp is something you cant see or you are not aware of. The opposition is like a glass wall you cant see, you keep bumping into it, repeating the same behavior until something changes or comes to light.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Unread 02-27-2017, 02:49 AM
Cupid Arrow's Avatar
Cupid Arrow Cupid Arrow is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 325
Quote:
Originally Posted by IleneK View Post
Just my opinion, but all other things being equal, I think that Sun square Saturn and Sun conjunct Saturn are the more difficult. The square because of its ambush-like quality. Sort of like one planet lurks around the corner from the other. The conjunction is difficult because of its overwhelming quality.

With the opposition, at least you can see it. It is right in front of you. Maybe in your way, but still right in front of you.
The square is internal while the opposition you cant see. Its something you are not aware of. These energies are fighting for ones attention, its seperating energies.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Unread 02-27-2017, 02:50 AM
Cupid Arrow's Avatar
Cupid Arrow Cupid Arrow is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 325
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vyri View Post
The Brotherhood of Light describe s the processes similar to these for opposition, square, conjunction:

The Conjunction as you know brings two forces together and however they are designed in element and humor one which is more powerful wins over the effect of the other or they both "agree" to blend and bring that whichever they rule together to be profited by, or otherwise.

A square acts with much force as in a major scuffle between the two forces..usually an outer force they are connected with siphoning off the obstacle will rarely not be seen or involved in the scenario-to lets say help the two planets joined in the obstacle to surmount the energy in its effect..i.e.; the two planets involved are damaged in some way and the energy can be lasting or the two planets activities will effect a conclusion-with much disagreement, the two forces leave each other worse for ware. The square has an effect of overturning vessels of wine to each involved in the energies wake ..There is rarely a loss which does not occur to one or the other of the participants, usually both, unless they can agree to desist in the energy which is accomplished by the type of third party element/energy introduced which is benign/and helps to amend.. or not (depending upon the condition of the planets involved.) The other factor or planet being the source of their help is usually a Karmic/Dharmic (by this I mean a lasting heavier outer force, which Lilly affectionates do not acknowledge) to leave the two with a lesson of mending possibilities, lest the two become completely ruined, in effect the two involved are aided or abetted by forces. (houses signs planets) The effects of the scuffle may be viewed as in a personal war-The diplomat enters to temper the square energy. As the diplomat enters and the two abiding kings resolve the distress by a third ambassador who brings new action into the process ..as in a fight there may be some lose of life or limb, metaphorically speaking, damage controlled and the third party reconciles them in some , briefly touched on as mentioned. The process is reconciliation of a hard lesson of effectiveness, a saving grace is the process..you've heard the expression, adversity developing character...ipso-facto here.

There are some whom believe the force of the square is so powerful that it is assumed it is the more devastating of them all, but it is this astrologer's opinion it is the opposition which is the more powerful, rendering as-sunder and separating, as two powers come to logger heads boiling back along each other's path of energy until one is completely within the wake of the forces of the other..hence the valuation of separation, the forces take from each other as each is more or less more powerfully expressed in their values and meanings from houses/signs elevation..etc.

Here in ends the lesson..The BrotherHood of light based in Los Angeles California has a much more succinct explanation than I am capable of giving here.

All the best

Vyri
I agree with opposition view.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Cupid Arrow For This Useful Post:
Vyri (02-27-2017)
  #14  
Unread 02-27-2017, 03:30 AM
dr. farr dr. farr is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: los angeles california
Posts: 12,474
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

For me, no question: opposition is more intense than square; however, in practice a seperating opposition would not be as intense as an exact (exactly 90 degree) square, or even as an applying square within 1 degree of exact,

In Greco-Roman and Arabic astrology, there was a hierarchy of aspects:
-most singificant was a conjunction (however, a conjunction is not technically an ASPECT-there is no "aspecting" in unity)
-next in power, the opposition
-then the square
-next the trine
-least, the sextile
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to dr. farr For This Useful Post:
AtlanticPacific (03-02-2017)
  #15  
Unread 02-27-2017, 03:55 AM
wan wan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,286
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

I think square is probably more difficult. With this aspect, the two planets are of incompatible element. But with opposition their elements are at least compatible.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Unread 02-27-2017, 04:27 AM
GeminiGrrl GeminiGrrl is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 197
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

I can only speak for myself...but in my opinion and experience, I've always perceived squares as being more difficult than oppositions. When two planets are in opposition, they share the same energy (Cardinal, Fixed, Mutable) but in two different yet compatible elements -- they're always either Air-Fire or Earth-Water. In astrology as in nature, Air is favorable to Fire and Water is favorable to Earth. On the other hand, when two planets square each other, they share the same energy but in two different and incompatible elements -- Fire-Earth, Earth-Air, Air-Water, or Water-Fire. Fire with Earth usually ends up with Earth either figuratively smothering Fire or Fire turning Earth into a volcano -- and not in a good way. Earth with Air usually ends up with Earth either figuratively suffocating Air or being stirred up into a sand storm. Air with Water usually means that Air either gets drowned or Water gets stirred up into a hurricane. Water with Fire usually means that Fire gets extinguished or Water ends up boiling.

At least in my opinion, signs in opposition essentially want the same things deep down but choose to pursue them in very different ways -- Aries and Libra both want justice, Taurus and Scorpio both want security, Gemini and Sagittarius both want knowledge, Cancer and Capricorn both want stability, Leo and Aquarius both want to rise above it all, etc. Signs in square, however, are very different from each other and do not want the same things even though they share the same energy -- as an example, Aries loves to take risks while Cancer and Capricorn usually prefer to play it safe, and Aquarius remains emotionally detached while nothing could be further from the truth for either Scorpio or Taurus.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to GeminiGrrl For This Useful Post:
AtlanticPacific (03-02-2017), Freya39 (03-05-2017), misterie (12-12-2018), Sweet Pea (03-05-2017)
  #17  
Unread 02-27-2017, 04:33 AM
dr. farr dr. farr is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: los angeles california
Posts: 12,474
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

Old Ibn Ezra (12th century CE) gave analogies for various astrological aspects (and other astrological factors):

+concerning a square, he said... "it is like 2 people each struggling for dominion over the other"...

+concerning an opposition he said:..."it is like 2 people violently fighting each other"...
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Unread 02-27-2017, 04:45 AM
AppLeo's Avatar
AppLeo AppLeo is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 12,119
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

Thank you everyone for your replies; they are most helpful.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Unread 02-27-2017, 06:40 AM
GeminiGrrl GeminiGrrl is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: New York, NY
Posts: 197
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cupid Arrow View Post
No, my friend has a lot of opposition in her chart and she doesnt realize how she acts in certain situations. So no, the opp is something you cant see or you are not aware of. The opposition is like a glass wall you cant see, you keep bumping into it, repeating the same behavior until something changes or comes to light.
I wouldn't see that as being the function of having multiple oppositions in the natal chart. I would be more likely to see that as being a function of having a very strong Neptunian influence in the natal chart -- one or more significant planets and/or points in Pisces, one or more significant planets in the twelfth house, one or more significant planets and/or points forming aspects with Neptune, Neptune retrograde, Neptune as a singleton, and/or Neptune as the apex of a yod. Neptune (and by definition Pisces and the twelfth house, both of which are ruled by Neptune) is very good at denying, minimizing, or glossing over whatever it doesn't want to see. There is a reason why the twelfth house is considered to be the house of addictions, the house of illusions, the house of hidden enemies, and the house of the subconscious mind.

I haven't seen your friend's chart...but based on what you've said, I would not be at all surprised if I were to find out that she has a lot of Neptune in her chart. (I speak from personal experience as someone who has a lot of Neptune influence in her own chart and has had to learn how to deal with it -- Neptune can really be a deceptive little sod.) That being said, astrology is really not a magic bullet -- it's a useful tool but not the answer to Life, The Universe, And Everything (and yes, that was a deliberate Douglas Adams reference). Astrology represents potentials, not necessarily outcomes. Astrology gives us a natal chart, but it's up to each one of us to decide what we'll do with the hand we've been dealt -- and trying to fight with our natal chart (and therefore ourselves) usually doesn't do us a lot of good. Choosing to learn about astrology can help us understand ourselves better -- but we can always choose not to know, and nobody can force us to know ourselves if we don't want to. Some people really don't want to know themselves or don't think they need to -- and at least as often as not, that has more to do with psychology than astrology. Also, while astrology can help you understand yourself better, it cannot necessarily make you govern yourself better. It can offer clues regarding what steps you can take to do so..but again, whether or not you do it comes down to a choice (one which you can always decide not to make).

Last edited by GeminiGrrl; 02-27-2017 at 06:51 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Unread 02-27-2017, 09:06 PM
Cupid Arrow's Avatar
Cupid Arrow Cupid Arrow is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 325
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeminiGrrl View Post
I wouldn't see that as being the function of having multiple oppositions in the natal chart. I would be more likely to see that as being a function of having a very strong Neptunian influence in the natal chart -- one or more significant planets and/or points in Pisces, one or more significant planets in the twelfth house, one or more significant planets and/or points forming aspects with Neptune, Neptune retrograde, Neptune as a singleton, and/or Neptune as the apex of a yod. Neptune (and by definition Pisces and the twelfth house, both of which are ruled by Neptune) is very good at denying, minimizing, or glossing over whatever it doesn't want to see. There is a reason why the twelfth house is considered to be the house of addictions, the house of illusions, the house of hidden enemies, and the house of the subconscious mind.

I haven't seen your friend's chart...but based on what you've said, I would not be at all surprised if I were to find out that she has a lot of Neptune in her chart. (I speak from personal experience as someone who has a lot of Neptune influence in her own chart and has had to learn how to deal with it -- Neptune can really be a deceptive little sod.) That being said, astrology is really not a magic bullet -- it's a useful tool but not the answer to Life, The Universe, And Everything (and yes, that was a deliberate Douglas Adams reference). Astrology represents potentials, not necessarily outcomes. Astrology gives us a natal chart, but it's up to each one of us to decide what we'll do with the hand we've been dealt -- and trying to fight with our natal chart (and therefore ourselves) usually doesn't do us a lot of good. Choosing to learn about astrology can help us understand ourselves better -- but we can always choose not to know, and nobody can force us to know ourselves if we don't want to. Some people really don't want to know themselves or don't think they need to -- and at least as often as not, that has more to do with psychology than astrology. Also, while astrology can help you understand yourself better, it cannot necessarily make you govern yourself better. It can offer clues regarding what steps you can take to do so..but again, whether or not you do it comes down to a choice (one which you can always decide not to make).
She happens to be a Pisces or Aries Asc depending on the house system. She has planets in the 1st and 7th. And other planets scattered, I haven't delved into her chart as of yet because I'm busy with learning other things.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Unread 02-27-2017, 09:23 PM
Moondancing's Avatar
Moondancing Moondancing is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Rochester, MI
Posts: 919
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dr. farr View Post
Old Ibn Ezra (12th century CE) gave analogies for various astrological aspects (and other astrological factors):

+concerning a square, he said... "it is like 2 people each struggling for dominion over the other"...

+concerning an opposition he said:..."it is like 2 people violently fighting each other"...
The opposition brings to my mind that even if you win in an opposition, you will wish you hadn't.

Moondance
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Moondancing For This Useful Post:
JUPITERASC (02-27-2017)
  #22  
Unread 02-27-2017, 10:32 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 62,721
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

Quote:
Originally Posted by detectahead View Post

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand "generally"
what I am pointing out.
Reference was to a conjunction not opposition
Whereas I refer to OPPOSITION
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cupid Arrow View Post

No, my friend has a lot of opposition in her chart and she doesnt realize how she acts in certain situations.
So no, the opp is something you cant see or you are not aware of.
The opposition is like a glass wall you cant see,
you keep bumping into it, repeating the same behavior until something changes or comes to light.
On the contrary
an ppositions are obvious

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cupid Arrow View Post

The square is internal
while the opposition you cant see.
Its something you are not aware of.
These energies are fighting for ones attention, its seperating energies.

Opposition being definitely opposite is therefore clearly seen
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Unread 02-27-2017, 10:34 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 62,721
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cupid Arrow View Post

She happens to be a Pisces or Aries Asc depending on the house system.
She has planets in the 1st and 7th.
And other planets scattered,
I haven't delved into her chart as of yet
because I'm busy with learning other things.

would be helpful to view the chart if you have permission
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Unread 02-27-2017, 10:41 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 62,721
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dr. farr View Post

For me, no question: opposition is more intense than square;
however, in practice a seperating opposition would not be as intense
as an exact (exactly 90 degree) square,
or even as an applying square within 1 degree of exact,

In Greco-Roman and Arabic astrology, there was a hierarchy of aspects:

-most singificant was a conjunction
(however, a conjunction is not technically an ASPECT
-there is no "aspecting" in unity)
so it's because conjunctions are not an aspect
that opposition is the most difficult ASPECT

Quote:
Originally Posted by dr. farr View Post

-next in power, the opposition
-then the square
-next the trine
-least, the sextile

OPPOSITION is an obvious opposing factor idrectly OPPOSITE and in full view

Quote:
Originally Posted by dr. farr View Post

Old Ibn Ezra (12th century CE) gave analogies for various astrological aspects (and other astrological factors):

+concerning a square, he said... "it is like 2 people each struggling for dominion over the other"...

+concerning an opposition he said:..."it is like 2 people violently fighting each other"...

Good analogies
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Unread 02-28-2017, 01:04 PM
Idrew Idrew is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Barbados
Posts: 114
Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

My oppositions
Attached Images
File Type: gif DREW.gif (63.9 KB, 8 views)
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
difficult, harder, opposition, square

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 05:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2005-2018, AstrologyWeekly.com. Boards' structure and all posts are property of AstrologyWeekly.com and their respective creators. No part of the messages sent on these boards may be copied without their owners' explicit consent.