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Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

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Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

A factor which I have long used in determining the approximate "strength" of an aspect (such as an opposition or a square) is this:
-if the declinations of the planets are both on the same side (ie, both North or both South), I consider the opposition of a milder intensity-but if the planets are each on different sides (one North, one South) I consider it a potent opposition
-same with a square: planets on same side, moderates the "power" of the square; planets on opposite sides, increases/intensifies with power or the square
-with benefic aspects (trine, sextile, even semi-sextile) its the reverse: planets on the same side increase the power/intensity of the benefic aspect, planets on opposite side make the benefic aspect less intense or powerful.
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Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

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A factor which I have long used in determining the approximate "strength" of an aspect (such as an opposition or a square) is this:
-if the declinations of the planets are both on the same side (ie, both North or both South), I consider the opposition of a milder intensity-but if the planets are each on different sides (one North, one South) I consider it a potent opposition
-same with a square: planets on same side, moderates the "power" of the square; planets on opposite sides, increases/intensifies with power or the square
-with benefic aspects (trine, sextile, even semi-sextile) its the reverse: planets on the same side increase the power/intensity of the benefic aspect, planets on opposite side make the benefic aspect less intense or powerful.
Interesting. But since oppositions are 180 degrees, are they not alwayson different sides?
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Interesting.

But since oppositions are 180 degrees, are they not alwayson different sides?

not spherically, with DECLINATION - EARTH is spherical







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A factor which I have long used in determining the approximate "strength"
of an aspect
(such as an opposition or a square) is this:

-if the declinations of the planets are both on the same side
(ie, both North or both South),
I consider the opposition of a milder intensity
-but if the planets are each on different sides
(one North, one South)
I consider it a potent opposition

-same with a square: planets on same side, moderates the "power" of the square;
planets on opposite sides, increases/intensifies with power or the square
-with benefic aspects (trine, sextile, even semi-sextile) its the reverse:
planets on the same side increase the power/intensity of the benefic aspect,
planets on opposite side make the benefic aspect less intense or powerful.






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not spherically, with DECLINATION - EARTH is spherical















People should take note of this, for it explains very well what confuses many people. Gives you a greater understanding of the"mechanics" involved. The points on stronger or weaker above and below declination, or same sides for beneficial aspect. I will also be looking at this from now on!
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People should take note of this,
for it explains very well what confuses many people.
Gives you a greater understanding of the"mechanics" involved.
The points on stronger or weaker above and below declination,
or same sides for beneficial aspect.
I will also be looking at this from now on!

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People should take note of this, for it explains very well what confuses many people. Gives you a greater understanding of the"mechanics" involved. The points on stronger or weaker above and below declination, or same sides for beneficial aspect. I will also be looking at this from now on!
I havent read on delination but any opposition to me is an opposition.
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Interesting. But since oppositions are 180 degrees, are they not alwayson different sides?
Thats what I thought too??? I think delination is too technical.
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Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

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I think delination is too technical.
Not at all! Its simpler, in fact, than calculating the longitudinal aspects (ie the regular aspects used in astrology); the declinations are provided ready-made in every astrodienst-generated chart, you can simply look up the "North" or "South" declination, to determine (relative to the aspects) if the planets involved (in the aspect) are on the same side or on different sides of the N/S line...
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but any opposition to me is an opposition.
Of course it is; but -if one is interested in a "quantitative" evaluation of a given aspect-HOW INTENSE (or conversely, HOW MILD) is that opposition??
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Of course it is; but -if one is interested in a "quantitative" evaluation of a given aspect-HOW INTENSE (or conversely, HOW MILD) is that opposition??
And what planets make the opposition less mild or intense? Isnt it the planets involved? Btw, do you speak german Dr. Farr, or have you heard of persona charts? I've looked around this board and there isnt much, have you worked with PC? This is out the way, I know but I know you are very knowledgeable and wondered if you dabbled?

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Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

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And what planets make the opposition less mild or intense? Isnt it the planets involved? Btw, do you speak german Dr. Farr, or have you heard of persona charts? I've looked around this board and there isnt much, have you worked with PC? This is out the way, I know but I know you are very knowledgeable and wondered if you dabbled?
If whatever planets are involved in the opposition are on opposite sides N/S (in declination) then the opposition (however intense it is based on the planets involved in the aspect) is (further) amplified (in its original degree of intensity), and if the planets involved in the opposition aspect are on the same side N/S (in declination) then the opposition (however intense it is based on the planets involved in the opposition aspect) is diminished in its degree of "original" intensity.

No I do not speak German.

Yes I am somewhat familiar with the Persona Chart methodology, but have never tested it (experimented with it) in delineation.

Remember that with this declination matter applied to affecting longidtudinal aspects, I am only talking about nuancing the degree of intensity of the aspect to be gauged in the delineative process.
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If whatever planets are involved in the opposition are on opposite sides N/S (in declination) then the opposition (however intense it is based on the planets involved in the aspect) is (further) amplified (in its original degree of intensity), and if the planets involved in the opposition aspect are on the same side N/S (in declination) then the opposition (however intense it is based on the planets involved in the opposition aspect) is diminished in its degree of "original" intensity.

No I do not speak German.

Yes I am somewhat familiar with the Persona Chart methodology, but have never tested it (experimented with it) in delineation.

Remember that with this declination matter applied to affecting longidtudinal aspects, I am only talking about nuancing the degree of intensity of the aspect to be gauged in the delineative process.

Do you know where I can find more info on PC charts? So your saying if the opposition is on the same side its less intense? I'm a visual learner so I'm trying to picture this in my head. Why isn't the opposition just that? East/West North/South 180 but not all oppositions are 180 I think some range to 185, I think... I maybe wrong... Anyway, in your experience, why the delineation?
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Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

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And what planets make the opposition less mild or intense? Isnt it the planets involved? Btw, do you speak german Dr. Farr, or have you heard of persona charts? I've looked around this board and there isnt much, have you worked with PC? This is out the way, I know but I know you are very knowledgeable and wondered if you dabbled?
The severity of the opposition or square does depend to some extent on which planets are involved. An opposition or square involving two planets which are considered malefics (meaning primarily Mars and Saturn but potentially Uranus and Pluto depending on interpretation) will probably be more harsh in its effects than an opposition or square between two planets which are considered to be benefics (meaning primarily Venus and Jupiter but potentially also the Sun and Moon). As an example, an opposition or square between Mars and Saturn is considered to be one of the most challenging aspects there is regardless of whether you're talking about a natal chart or a synastry chart -- probably the only thing worse would be an inconjunct between Mars and Saturn -- whereas an opposition or square between Venus and Jupiter is not usually considered to be much of a problem because the favorable nature of both planets softens some of the impact of the aspect.
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Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

There are other conditions which modify the aspect such as a sextile or trine by the ruling planet to one of the planets in opposition modifying it's intensity,or just a sextile or trine to the opposing planets while in cadent houses even if both of these situations had N and S in affect. The N and S is another key to your understanding of chart delineation. The extra weight can give more credence to the aspect and help make a decision about the chart. I call it fine tuning.
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Re: Which is more difficult: Square or Opposition?

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Which would be more difficult, a square, opposition, or even a conjunction??

Which one would be the hardest to deal with: Sun square Saturn, Sun opposite Saturn, or Sun conjunct Saturn???

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Opposition brings most of the time stress, contradiction, while square brings conflict, much harder work, moment of personal crisis.
Hence opposition could separate us from others, could split our personal interest from our universal interest, while square could be intense at personal level.

Then I found the conjunction between Moon and Saturn very hard rather than Sun-Saturn.
I believe that Sun conjunct Saturn could bring positive results. Sun could bring warm energy to Saturn, while Saturn could structure well the unique qualities of the person in question.
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Opposition brings most of the time stress, contradiction, while square brings conflict, much harder work, moment of personal crisis.
Hence opposition could separate us from others, could split our personal interest from our universal interest, while square could be intense at personal level.

Then I found the conjunction between Moon and Saturn very hard rather than Sun-Saturn.
I believe that Sun conjunct Saturn could bring positive results. Sun could bring warm energy to Saturn, while Saturn could structure well the unique qualities of the person in question.
I have to agree, if the native say is cancer and the moon is conjunct Saturn would that not be "harder" than sun opposition or square Saturn.
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The severity of the opposition or square does depend to some extent on which planets are involved. An opposition or square involving two planets which are considered malefics (meaning primarily Mars and Saturn but potentially Uranus and Pluto depending on interpretation) will probably be more harsh in its effects than an opposition or square between two planets which are considered to be benefics (meaning primarily Venus and Jupiter but potentially also the Sun and Moon). As an example, an opposition or square between Mars and Saturn is considered to be one of the most challenging aspects there is regardless of whether you're talking about a natal chart or a synastry chart -- probably the only thing worse would be an inconjunct between Mars and Saturn -- whereas an opposition or square between Venus and Jupiter is not usually considered to be much of a problem because the favorable nature of both planets softens some of the impact of the aspect.
I didnt think of malefics, for some reason but yes Im aware of this. I was thinking more on the degree side.
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