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Re: Storm Haiyan Survivor - My family all dead

I notice that in Cha's own natal chart, his Mars is within 1 degree of exact square to the Nodes (see the thread entitled "Planets at the Bendings")-interesting that in Vedic astrology Mars is considered a karaka (significator) for borthers...

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I notice that in Cha's own natal chart, his Mars is within 1 degree of exact square to the Nodes (see the thread entitled "Planets at the Bendings")-interesting that in Vedic astrology Mars is considered a karaka (significator) for borthers...
You are very right dr farr! I missed that bit there.

In Whole sign the bending occurs at the 3rd sign and in Gemini, the siblings (a side information Chinese also describe siblings and friends as your own hands and feet). I support this Vedic view on using Mars as brother.

In Cha's chart, the modern ruler of 11th house Uranus is also received the quincunx from Mars even in 1 separating aspect but Uranus does sextile the North Node fateful event that quick and sudden. While the natal ruler for 3rd house Gemini is Mercury in Pisces and placed in 12th along with Sun, at 0 degrees 17 Aries which square the Chiron. Uranus Pluto square are at MC and opposite/square IC/MC the parental axis Pluto conjoined the Lord of MC while natal Pluto is located in 8th house while the traditional ruler is Mars in Gemini ruling the 8th house.

Furthermore, the natal 4th is ruled by Moon (which is also the progressed 3rd house's ruler overlapping the natal 4th message), progressed Moon in Leo, ruled by progressed Sun in Aries, Mars in Gemini both natal and progressed, progressed Jupiter conjunct Mars the lord of natal 8th.

Sun as the progressed 4th house cusp and where progressed Moon also at, natal Sun is hit by solar arc NN in the progressed 12th by whole sign and edge of 12th by Placidus. Solar Arc Pluto the planet in natal 8th traveling the natal 9th but in progressed 8th.

As usual I do a bit of mix and match here and I do jump between methods and around the house between placidus and whole signs with progressed, natal and solar arc. I might sound very confusing here
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Hi Marinka,

Thanks again for the reply. To answer your question, I am not married yet and no children. I do have a partner, we planned to get married sometime this december, but with all things that happened, I think it would be best to move it. What does it mean?

It would mean much to me if you'd continue reading about my brother. Knowing a bit of his dreams and aspirations can help me move on, if there's something from him I can sti continue.

Thank you so much!

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The angle (node to sun in SA chart) has not completed yet which means that it will complete in the near future (less than 1 year).

I expect that this means that you will come to realize that there was nothing that you could have done to change the outcome. It was meant to be. Part of this will involve the realization that it is your path to eventually continue on, it was theirs to be part of the destruction. There will be scars and damage left behind in you (and as part of you) from this event but it shouldn't keep you from eventually enjoying life again. Your fate will be balancing the two of these apparent contradictions.

Question -- are you married? do you have children? The reason that I ask is that your progressed moon is in the 5th and transiting Jupiter will be joining it there next year.

If you like, I will continue and do your brother's in a few hours .... or, maybe this is all too draining. You can always come back in a few months and pose the same questions ....

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Chasama,

Other than all the indicators of possible explanations of the tragedy of your family. I would like to express my concern for you and hope for your life to get better very soon and you may have the strength to move on. I can see that you are hoping to continue things that your brother could not complete during his life time that is a fantastic attitude and it will assist you to gain some positivity from this life changing event.

The natal indicator of your brother's death is there in your chart very strongly in my opinion. So you are right that you want to seek some closure through some astrological explanation. This is fine and will be good for you to look at the issue with logic mind instead of avoiding it and keep all your intense feelings in the closet and may come back to attack you as dreams or other forms. I will also suggest you to go to support group if any available for traumatic event survivor/family members. Often if you don't deal with it early the wound will only go deeper eventually over the years, you still need to deal with it. So good for you to do that now. But don't forget to take time to rest and just do daily normal things to keep your life running as normal as possible while allowing yourself to grief in time don't ask yourself to complete complex healing process too fast.
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Thank you for JA doing all the checking and typing when I was asleep. Was really tried after doing 8-9hrs of studying the Dragon head and tail. Very impressive techniques Brady and Gunzburg introduced me.

I hope Chasama can get some understanding from it. Sorry I was not very good at explaining and just throw out all the information at once.
Your explanations are very clear poyi, however since Chasama is a beginner,
then I had the idea to clarify your comments
and thank you for sharing your recent studies of the Brady and Gunzburg course on the Nodes - that's much appreciated

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I notice that in Cha's own natal chart, his Mars is within 1 degree of exact square to the Nodes
(see the thread entitled "Planets at the Bendings")
-interesting that in Vedic astrology Mars is considered a karaka (significator) for borthers...
I noticed Chasama's natal Mars square to the bendings also dr. farr
and the very clear significance in Western Astrology also IF one uses WHOLE SIGN houses

as Hellenistic Astrologers do

but due to Cha's being a beginner
and not understanding the significance of the factor
that the house and sign location of any planet is entirely dependent on the house system used

I wondered how to explain the subject in simplified form

BASICALLY then:

In ancient times astrologers delineated SPECIFICALLY TOPICS with Whole Signs

- and increasingly today's astrologers are utilising whole signs also

THE FOLLOWING ARE 'TOPICS OF EACH HOUSE'





Vettius Valens et al utilised Quadrant based systems for the purpose of gauging planetary strength


BUT
on astro.com Quadrant based Placidus is the default


FURTHERMORE

many are unaware of astro.com's Extended Chart Selection page on which options for fourteen different house systems ARE offered


SO

to continue then


Whole Sign Houses places both Mars and Jupiter in close conjunction in Gemini in 3rd house of siblings
and thus Mars is a clear significator for brothers

Mars is in square to the bendings
from the location of 3rd house of siblings


which verifies Poyi's comment that, and I quote:
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Chasama,
The natal indicator of your brother's death is there in your chart very strongly in my opinion.

So you are right that you want to seek some closure through some astrological explanation.

This is fine and will be good for you to look at the issue with logic mind
instead of avoiding it and keep all your intense feelings in the closet and may come back to attack you as dreams or other forms.

I will also suggest you to go to support group if any available for traumatic event survivor/family members.
Often if you don't deal with it early the wound will only go deeper eventually over the years, you still need to deal with it.
So good for you to do that now.
But don't forget to take time to rest and just do daily normal things to keep your life running as normal as possible
while allowing yourself to grief in time don't ask yourself to complete complex healing process too fast
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REGARDING WHOLE SIGN HOUSES


'...In no other area of astrology is there so much mess and confusion than in the area of the so-called "houses". There are at least twenty or thirty different house systems or means of dividing the so-called "birthchart" into twelve segments of life activity. In astrology, houses, mansions, or domains, represent general areas of life activity and are the grounding areas or arenas of expression for planets. Originally, the words "houses" and "signs" were interchangeable or meant the same thing. A planet in Aries was also a planet in the house of Aries, so that in effect. there were no real houses as we know them today....'


'.Artificial divisions now known as houses were attempts by early Greeks and Hindus to measure strength "points" in the horoscope, which during 7th and 8th centuries AD were construed or confused as means of dividing the birth chart. The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites, for example, were definite power points or areas of intense focus, but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant. In fact, there is no real basis for the astrological houses at all. They derive from a misunderstanding of the true nature of the Ascendant and Midheaven factors in astrology, Ascendant representing Earth/terrestial sphere, and Midheaven representing Sky/Heaven /celestial sphere....'


'...If any house system should be used at all, it should be the Whole Sign House system, where the ascendant sign becomes the whole first house and the others follow. Ascendant point can then fall anywhere in the first house and the midheaven point anywhere in the upper half of the chart. The Whole Sign House system was used by the ancient Greeks and the Hindus(who still use it today). It is the oldest and simplest house system in existence, and immediately eliminates the awful mess astrologers have made on the issue over the last 1300 years or so....' http://www.librarising.com/astrology...ignhouses.html

Chasama, as you have frequently stated that you are experiencing difficulty with technicalities,
there are useful and FREE ONLINE ASTROLOGY LESSONS at
http://astrolibrary.org/basics/




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I just heard something truly fascinating of the expression of 12th house Sun regarding to unresolved Grief related to Sun in 12th house. It is from Brady & Gunzburg The Houses study kit.

Brady did a chart reading for a 20 years old young man in the past. He just got broke up with his first girlfriend though he didn't love you very deeply and could not understand why he was in such a profound deep grief. Then from exterminating his natal Sun in 12th house, that lead to his father. His father at the age of 20 years old, his first love and the love of his life was killed in an accident. His father as a young man was told by his parents to get over this and go to date then married to this young man's mother for a long time he suppressed his deep grief. Then this karmic link from his father was unusually passed on to him into his natal chart at the same age though he didn't love this woman as much but the suppressed grief of the Sun manifested in his reality.

My own case through not related to the Sun in 12th house (my 3rd Sun rules 12th house) also my 7th house is ruled by the ruler of the 4th house conjuncts SN, my current boyfriend he has awfully similar life pattern to my own father, and his father also had awfully similar patterns. There is a lot of repetitive family karmic patterns carrying on when unresolved. It is best to deal with your grief as my opinion from my own experiences and this interesting real example I just heard.
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Hi chasama,

I am really very sorry for your heavy loss.
His 8th house in Virgo ruler Mercury, i have read that sometimes a mercurian 8th house shows death with damage in lungs, maybe in this case drawing.
By Firdaria method the time of his death he was in term of Saturn and Mercury. Saturn was his Asc ruler (traditional astrology) and mercury (as i said) his 8th house ruler.
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Chasama, as you have frequently stated that you are experiencing difficulty with technicalities,
there are useful and FREE ONLINE ASTROLOGY LESSONS at
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Yes. I will do a lot of reading soon as there are too many stuff I have to do with moving to another location.

Thanks for explaining a lot of the technical stuff for me. It really is great help for me.
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Chasama,

Other than all the indicators of possible explanations of the tragedy of your family. I would like to express my concern for you and hope for your life to get better very soon and you may have the strength to move on. I can see that you are hoping to continue things that your brother could not complete during his life time that is a fantastic attitude and it will assist you to gain some positivity from this life changing event.

The natal indicator of your brother's death is there in your chart very strongly in my opinion. So you are right that you want to seek some closure through some astrological explanation. This is fine and will be good for you to look at the issue with logic mind instead of avoiding it and keep all your intense feelings in the closet and may come back to attack you as dreams or other forms. I will also suggest you to go to support group if any available for traumatic event survivor/family members. Often if you don't deal with it early the wound will only go deeper eventually over the years, you still need to deal with it. So good for you to do that now. But don't forget to take time to rest and just do daily normal things to keep your life running as normal as possible while allowing yourself to grief in time don't ask yourself to complete complex healing process too fast.
Thank you so much Poyi for all your readings on my chart. It is quite sad to know that even my chart shows such events for my brother, I will also assume that the fate of my (mother and grandma) must be there too.

I was in the point of blaming myself, (since someone from my mom's side actually blamed me) that I couldn't save them.

It would be nice to do some of the stuff my brother wanted to do, he also took up the same course I did and pretty much likes what I like as well, so I think doing better and being the best at what I (we) can do can make him happy.

I don't know if I do find a counselor here, so far my partner has been getting all my thoughts and emotions for the meantime. I do hope I encounter some people who also are in the similar position with me in Haiyan and would be able to relate better.

I just promised on my brother's dead body when I found him, that I'll be the best and be powerful. That was the only words I could say really.
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Thank you so much Poyi for all your readings on my chart. It is quite sad to know that even my chart shows such events for my brother, I will also assume that the fate of my (mother and grandma) must be there too.

I was in the point of blaming myself, (since someone from my mom's side actually blamed me) that I couldn't save them.

It would be nice to do some of the stuff my brother wanted to do, he also took up the same course I did and pretty much likes what I like as well, so I think doing better and being the best at what I (we) can do can make him happy.

I don't know if I do find a counselor here, so far my partner has been getting all my thoughts and emotions for the meantime. I do hope I encounter some people who also are in the similar position with me in Haiyan and would be able to relate better.

I just promised on my brother's dead body when I found him, that I'll be the best and be powerful. That was the only words I could say really.
There might be some support group on Facebook page you never know. There is nothing to blame yourself for. Whatever people say that is their own opinion but extremely unhelpful and lack of sympathy if not heartless. Cause is not the dead that is suffering now but the one alive will live with the consequences, the torment days and nights for many years to come. It is unproductive and destructive to think about what could be done and not done cause you simply unable to reverse what had already occurred, instead the focus should be rebuilding from destruction and transforms it for better cause for the future of common good, such as helping other people.

You do whatever you feel right to overcome right now so you can shorten the negative emotions and be productive to achieve something greater than yourself and for your family. Use the 12th house wisely.

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I'm not really sure on what the 12th house may do. I asked it before since I had 3 major planets placed there but I was just told that they were not really relevant and focus more on the planets on my midheaven.

I really thank you for your kind words, as other people who are quite distant relatives of mine were really making me more pissed off and depressed with the things they're saying to me.
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12th house when positive is spirituality, unity, and ultimate liberation.
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Yes. I will do a lot of reading soon as there are too many stuff I have to do with moving to another location.

Thanks for explaining a lot of the technical stuff for me. It really is great help for me.
That's ok. You are a strong survivor, you are bravely seeking ways of processing this horrendous tragedy and I am so glad to have been of some assistance to you at this challenging time
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I'm not really sure on what the 12th house may do. I asked it before since I had 3 major planets placed there but I was just told that they were not really relevant and focus more on the planets on my midheaven.
The 12th house has many Traditional significations and to get some idea of the many facets of this interesting house then there are several forum discussions including http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...hlight=slavery
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I really thank you for your kind words, as other people who are quite distant relatives of mine were really making me more pissed off and depressed with the things they're saying to me.
Helpful sensible guidance talk on DEPRESSION http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N_jjY7W_fs
and also on DEALING WITH DIFFICULT PEOPLE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jniaUr_7438
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On your brother's chart -

Transits -

- Saturn is conjuncting the mid and this indicates a restriction or focusing of the status. By itself, this happens a few times in a lifetime and while indicating changes, does not necessarily indicate the severity. Saturn is also ruling the 12th house of "unforeseen/hidden enemies and could be construed as the storm (or something else from the storm) that changes the status. Saturn at the pinnacle of the chart would also indicate that there were obligations that were being taken very seriously.

- Uranus is conjuncting the sun indicating unexpected event(s) and this angle along with the Saturn now start to add a bit more seriousness to the interpretation. Uranus is the ruler of the 1st house and the sun is the ruler of the 7th which can be many things but, the interpretation that appears correct here would be the "known enemy". It would appear that your brother was aware of the dangers that were around him, at least the know dangers from the storm. I suspect that he may have also had a heightened awareness about his surroundings while this transit was in effect.

- Pluto has been moving back and forth over the 12th house cusp and has moved in. The 12th house again, associated with hospitals and unknown/secret enemies. Can sometimes be the house of self-undoing. Pluto has also been making a square aspect to the Sun, so the sun has been under duress from the transits.

- The node moved to 7 scorpio and at this position, it is inconjunct to the Sun and Mercury and this aspect as well as the others mentioned previously are signifying an event of significance. I think of an inconjunct as having the force of an earthquake in that there is a sudden shifting and a need to readjust. It's the road ahead that disappears into a curve and after the curve, a washed out road. These angles indicate not being able to "see ahead" clearly.

- Chiron recently moved into the 2nd house and there is usually a passing of a planet from the first into the 2nd house when there is a grave outcome assuming that there are many other angles to support this.


Progressions --

- There a few angles but, nothing that adds to the overall interpretation without getting too technical

Solar Arc

Two angles here that I would like to mention

- Jupiter moving to conjunct the ascendant and Uranus. While this might seem to be positive, it might be too much and in this case is the "overabundance".

-Node is squaring the ascendant and Uranus - this a a "double" in that the ascendant is being squared and the ruler of the ascendant is being squared. Whenever the nodes are involved, there will be tones of fate in that there was little that could be done to change the result. In this case, the node is making the angle to the ascendant or the self so the result would impact the person as a whole.

I haven't gone through every detail that the charts provide as I expect that this is painful.



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On your brother's chart -

Transits -
- Saturn is conjuncting the mid and this indicates a restriction or focusing of the status. By itself, this happens a few times in a lifetime and while indicating changes, does not necessarily indicate the severity. Saturn is also ruling the 12th house of "unforeseen/hidden enemies and could be construed as the storm (or something else from the storm) that changes the status. Saturn at the pinnacle of the chart would also indicate that there were obligations that were being taken very seriously.

Because one complete orbit of Saturn around our Sun takes THIRTY YEARS

THEN


Transiting Saturn conjunct the Midheaven occurs rarely in a lifetime



HOWEVER

Saturn conjuncts MC at least three times in one lifetime

IF an individual reaches their 90th birthday

UNLESS Saturn retrogrades on the MC


For example


6 October 2012 Transiting Saturn entered Tropical Scorpio


Then 18 February had reached 11 Scorpio which is very close to Sioty's MC degree


but

THEN
Transiting Saturn retrograded at 11 Scorpio


and did not return to 11 Scorpio until mid-October 2013

By 8 November 2013 Transiting Saturn eventually conjuncted MC of Sioty's natal chart


and also by the way, at the same time
entered the 8th house of Chasama's natal chart

ILLUSTRATION OF RETROGRADE MOTION IN THE SKY USING MARS ORBIT OF THE SUN AS AN EXAMPLE

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A few last points that I would like to provide --

Your brother seemed to be a very strong person that would always take his own path. This I see from the Aquarius rising (Uranus ruled) and the Uranus also sitting at the ascendant.

The Sun, Mars, and Mercury in Aries would have added the characteristics of being very brave and courageous and not just on the surface as these planets in addition to the conjunction between themselves, had the trine to pluto which would make this a deep and resilient strength.

There is the moon in the 6th house of service in Cancer which is very family orientated. This opposes the Jupiter in the 12th house. Jupiter in this position of the 12th house is difficult in that, it doesn't help you much in normal activities of your life, it expects the person to make their own way (not much luck) but, it's usually there if the situation becomes dire as a "last resort". It's significant that Jupiter is in a difficult angle to the moon and ... I'll leave it at that.

I don't know if you noticed that you and your brother have some similarities in your charts - the planets in the 12th, 2nd, and the moon in the 6th. You also have the Ascendant in Aries with the sun near the ascendant. This is what I like to think of as a double-Aries (Aries ascendant/Aries sun). Your brother had the double-Uranus (Aquarius ascendant/Uranus rising).

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Hello Chasama

I am sorry to hear about the unimaginable losses that you have experienced. As the poster before me observed, your brother had stellium of planets involving Sun, Mercury, Saturn and Mars. Your brother might have had a strong sense of initiative, but not always known what to do with the facts at his disposal, or felt frustrated by the limitations of his given situation. All I would add to that is that this stellium would have been strengthened by the fact that these planets are also all in midpoints to each other! That is, He had a Moon/Jupiter opposition too and Uranus, his chart ruler, on his ascendant - perhaps he had a tendency to bite off more than he could chew, somehow.

You have Uranus on the midheaven, so temperamentally you might both have shared a desire to break away from established moulds and to strike out your own paths - depending on how close these times are.

The first thing that struck my about your chart was the Saturn/Neptune conjunction, also in your Midheaven. That could well be experienced as representing circumstances way beyond your control. And you have had Pluto transitting this Neptune, and your Saturn, as well as having Uranus transitting your Ascendant.

This Uranus/Pluto square transitting your angles is perceived as being very disruptive overall, both politically and economically - and perhaps ecologically, too. You will need to heal and I hope you will have the support from all those bodies involved in the rescue efforts ongoing, but long term, with these natal aspects, I wonder if your life work will not involve looking to raise awareness about what these events may be about.

You brother meanwhile had Saturn transitting his Midheaven. Uranus had recently passed his Sun and Mercury, and Jupiter his Moon.He also had Pluto transitting his natal Saturn - and these transits do hint at closure from his point of view, rather than otherwise.
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Thank you so much Poyi for all your readings on my chart. It is quite sad to know that even my chart shows such events for my brother, I will also assume that the fate of my (mother and grandma) must be there too.

I was in the point of blaming myself,
(since someone from my mom's side actually blamed me)
that I couldn't save them....
.
When people are emotionally distraught
their extreme grief means their thinking is not so rational
and they can make ridiculous allegations.


The deadly Typhoon which killed over five thousand five hundred people
and also killed your family
and several thousand other people
was obviously beyond your control.





'….In the first two weeks of November, Typhoon Haiyan formed and rapidly intensified to a Category 5 super typhoon until the wind speed was over 190 mph, making it the fourth most intense cyclone ever. When it hit the Philippines, it became the strongest cyclone ever recorded that made a landfall. The storm caused major devastation and also struck other areas including Southern China, Vietnam, and Micronesia.


The devastation was greatest in the Philippines. The United Nations has estimated that about 11 million people in this country have been affected, and over 5,500 people have been killed. The total financial value of the damage caused by the hurricane is projected to be around $1.4 billion.....'

'….Tacloban City was struck by the full force of the storm. The bustling city with a population of over two hundred thousand had many buildings destroyed, the coastline was hit hard, with most buildings destroyed. The airport was completely destroyed except for the runway. Many areas were flooded due to storm surges, causing more damage than the high wind speeds of the typhoon. Many thousands of people waited at airports in the hope that they could be evacuated from the city, but the evacuations are taking place slowly....'



'….Many residents became aggravated, and the military was sent to the city to get the situation under control. There has been a lot of looting in the city, as well as attacks on relief trucks to get access to food. In addition, there have been raids on government food stockpiles. Security checkpoints are now in place all over Tacloban. Although most other settlements have not been hit as hard as Tacloban was, those that were affected still suffer from the same problems as Tacloban does.....'


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It would be nice to do some of the stuff my brother wanted to do, he also took up the same course I did and pretty much likes what I like as well, so I think doing better and being the best at what I (we) can do can make him happy.

I don't know if I do find a counselor here, so far my partner has been getting all my thoughts and emotions for the meantime. I do hope I encounter some people who also are in the similar position with me in Haiyan and would be able to relate better.

I just promised on my brother's dead body when I found him, that I'll be the best and be powerful. That was the only words I could say really.
Experiencing a traumatic event that happens so fast

makes it normal to wonder 'what if' something else COULD have happened.


But the truth is, the past has gone

and even the future is unstable

so all we ever have is the present moment


You made a promise to your dead brother when you found his body

that you would be the best and powerful

and I am certain you shall fulfil that promise

and that your brother shall remain a lifelong inspiration to you.
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A few last points that I would like to provide --

Your brother seemed to be a very strong person that would always take his own path. This I see from the Aquarius rising (Uranus ruled) and the Uranus also sitting at the ascendant.

The Sun, Mars, and Mercury in Aries would have added the characteristics of being very brave and courageous and not just on the surface as these planets in addition to the conjunction between themselves, had the trine to pluto which would make this a deep and resilient strength.

There is the moon in the 6th house of service in Cancer which is very family orientated. This opposes the Jupiter in the 12th house. Jupiter in this position of the 12th house is difficult in that, it doesn't help you much in normal activities of your life, it expects the person to make their own way (not much luck) but, it's usually there if the situation becomes dire as a "last resort". It's significant that Jupiter is in a difficult angle to the moon and ... I'll leave it at that.

I don't know if you noticed that you and your brother have some similarities in your charts - the planets in the 12th, 2nd, and the moon in the 6th. You also have the Ascendant in Aries with the sun near the ascendant. This is what I like to think of as a double-Aries (Aries ascendant/Aries sun). Your brother had the double-Uranus (Aquarius ascendant/Uranus rising).

Hi Marinka,

Thank you so much for this. I do agree with the deep strength of my brother. And make sure to proceed with more strength in my upcoming journeys. It's good to know that we had some similarities which was also quite obvious personally. Just never thought that time with him would have been so short.
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You made a promise to your dead brother when you found his body

that you would be the best and powerful

and I am certain you shall fulfil that promise

and that your brother shall remain a lifelong inspiration to you.
Yes, I will. I need to live my life as if I'm living "our" lives. Making sure that everything that comes from me will be extraordinary. I do believe their souls will guide and watch me during my lifetime.
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This Uranus/Pluto square transitting your angles is perceived as being very disruptive overall, both politically and economically - and perhaps ecologically, too. You will need to heal and I hope you will have the support from all those bodies involved in the rescue efforts ongoing, but long term, with these natal aspects, I wonder if your life work will not involve looking to raise awareness about what these events may be about.
Yeah, somehow I do need to heal. I just don't know on how to. I've always been dealing with my emotions alone, but this is kind of too much.

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You brother meanwhile had Saturn transitting his Midheaven. Uranus had recently passed his Sun and Mercury, and Jupiter his Moon.He also had Pluto transitting his natal Saturn - and these transits do hint at closure from his point of view, rather than otherwise.
Closure? So, kind of like saying he is at peace now?
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This Uranus/Pluto square transitting your angles is perceived as being very disruptive overall, both politically and economically - and perhaps ecologically, too. You will need to heal and I hope you will have the support from all those bodies involved in the rescue efforts ongoing, but long term, with these natal aspects, I wonder if your life work will not involve looking to raise awareness about what these events may be about.
Yeah, somehow I do need to heal. I just don't know on how to. I've always been dealing with my emotions alone, but this is kind of too much.

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You brother meanwhile had Saturn transitting his Midheaven. Uranus had recently passed his Sun and Mercury, and Jupiter his Moon.He also had Pluto transitting his natal Saturn - and these transits do hint at closure from his point of view, rather than otherwise.

Closure? So, kind of like saying he is at peace now?
Chasama

I am most familiar with modern astrology, rather than horary or traditional, so interpretations for the transits I saw operative in your brother's chart tend to be equivocal than definitely indicating the end of of a life. Transits such as these have been seen to correlate with bankruptcy with the bailiffs coming round, being fired - though still the idea of 'endings' is still there. Some astrologers see Jupiter transits, and your brother had had one recently to his Moon, albeit not yesterday, and some people have linked these to death - but representing a happy release from this world to a better place.

Taken together, these transits did have a look of closure, in that a radical ending of some kind did seem indicated.

As for healing, I would imagine that this would by any standards be overwhelming. It certainly does seem a good idea keep a healthy distance from those who 'cope' by finding someone else to blame. Hopefully too you will find others who have been through something similar and who will be best able to understand your experience better.
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Chasama

I am most familiar with modern astrology, rather than horary or traditional, so interpretations for the transits I saw operative in your brother's chart tend to be equivocal than definitely indicating the end of of a life. Transits such as these have been seen to correlate with bankruptcy with the bailiffs coming round, being fired - though still the idea of 'endings' is still there. Some astrologers see Jupiter transits, and your brother had had one recently to his Moon, albeit not yesterday, and some people have linked these to death - but representing a happy release from this world to a better place.

Taken together, these transits did have a look of closure, in that a radical ending of some kind did seem indicated.

As for healing, I would imagine that this would by any standards be overwhelming. It certainly does seem a good idea keep a healthy distance from those who 'cope' by finding someone else to blame. Hopefully too you will find others who have been through something similar and who will be best able to understand your experience better.

Hi Nexus7,

Thanks for the reply. I am at least happy to know that in his charts has some sort of closure. I know that I will not really know the real answer on how he feels, but at least it gives me some hope that it wasn't all that bad for him.

I did have some dreams lately that indicate that I should not go back to my hometown. I was at my old house (where I feel the most I can call home), where in it was getting dark, but my family was nowhere. I checked the front door of our house, it was open. I was shocked that it wasn't closed at all, considering they all left. And the back door was deeply shut (with extra locks and all that aren't even existent in real life). I feel like they don't want me to go back and just go forward.

There have been very annoying people, but equally there have been some people who are nice and supportive. The annoying ones stopped contact with me anyway.
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Dear Chasama

Dreams can be incredible things. I don't know if you are aware of the fact that in some cultures the windows are always opened after a death at home, to release the soul on its way to a better place....I am not a medium either, but this seems to be a very positive message both about not going back as you say, but again that your family may be at peace rather than not.
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.....I did have some dreams lately that indicate that I should not go back to my hometown. I was at my old house (where I feel the most I can call home), where in it was getting dark, but my family was nowhere. I checked the front door of our house, it was open. I was shocked that it wasn't closed at all, considering they all left. And the back door was deeply shut (with extra locks and all that aren't even existent in real life). I feel like they don't want me to go back and just go forward.

There have been very annoying people, but equally there have been some people who are nice and supportive. The annoying ones stopped contact with me anyway.
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