A Discussion Thread About Racism in America

david starling · Jul 2, 2020

JUPITERASC said:
Siriusly

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Sweden is clearly following the secular humanist belief that abortion is a perfectly acceptable means of birth control, as opposed to a last resort when contraceptives failed, or were unavailable. If Sweden put the effort into creating safer, and more user-friendly contraceptives, and encouraging their use, it could cut the abortion rate down to practically 0%.

That's what anti-abortion forces in the U.S. should be doing also, instead of lining the pockets of the "back-alley" abortionists who are taking advantage of the closing of medical clinics that perform much safer abortions when it comes to a woman's health.

david starling · Jul 2, 2020

Sweden isn't motivated by racism. Neither is it motivated to make prevention of abortion using contraceptives a priority.

CapAquaPis · Jul 2, 2020

Not good...in prediction of coming events for the USA on it's birthday (July 4th of this year), the moon conjunct Saturn, Jupiter and Pluto all retrograde in 12th house on 12 noon Eastern daylight time is a bad omen. Mars is in its ruler sign Aries conflicting Neptune in its ruler sign Pisces but in retrograde, and there's Uranus going to cause more problems in Taurus conjunct Sedna.

The asteroid Ceres in Pisces and Eris in Aries which is slow moving just like Sedna conjunct a malefic planet is another concern. And same goes with Chiron and Lilith in the sign of Aries. The Moon is in 7' Capricorn at 12pm on July 4th in the USA's 12th house since I'm using the Parans chart when a place's sun sign is placed on the 7th or descendant.

Politics (internal and global tensions), protests (by Antifa and against racial police brutality) and the pandemic hitting parts of the US so hard in the beginning and continues, plus a recession and earlier impeachment controversy is going to get hotter as we're halfway through the year 2020. July 11-14 is a period of potential disaster the USA will encounter and we must prepare for.

david starling · Jul 2, 2020

Anti-abortionists are apparently clueless, both in the U.S. and Sweden as to how to replace abortion by promoting contraceptives. The Catholic Church is a huge part of the problem, because it actually forbids contraception, including condoms! Abortion will continue regardless of laws against it or the closing of abortion clinics. They'll just be later-term abortions and those performed by unqualified, "back-alley" abortionists, who pose a much greater threat to the women's health.

david starling · Jul 2, 2020

And, the cluelessness continues. :sideways:

david starling · Jul 2, 2020

I think most anti-abortionists just need the emotional satisfaction of demonizing those who approve of abortions. They would lose their emotional scapegoating outlet if they actually took practical steps to solve the problem by improving and promoting contraceptive alternatives.

Of course, they would also be up against the antiquated prohibition on contraception currently esposed by the Catholic Church.

david starling · Jul 2, 2020

And, the useless scapegoating continues.

david starling · Jul 2, 2020

And, ad infinitum. :andy:

david starling · Jul 3, 2020

Hey, Trump says "Learn from [racist] history or go back to it."

So, is an Executive Order to reestablish Slavery his next move?

JUPITERASC · Jul 3, 2020

david starling said:
Hey, Trump says "Learn from [racist] history or go back to it."
So, is an Executive Order to reestablish Slavery his next move?

the history of Jim Crow
needs to be taught in detail to high school students
to see where the nexus of racism began
and those who were brave enough to take it on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_gOtZ--4WE

david starling said:
That explains
why the racist conservatives of both major Parties
want to limit welfare for the poor--more minority abortions.
They also opposed Affirmative Action
which was helping the minorities reach a higher standard of living.

MARGARET SANGERR viewed welfare as a detriment to society
because it increased the number of poor blacks and foreigners.
"...Organized charity - modern welfare
is the symptom of a malignant social disease
increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents, and dependents.
My criticism, therefore, is not directed at the 'failure' of philanthropy
but rather at its success...."
The urban poor, and their increasing numbers
Margaret Sangster called, "...an ever widening margin of biological waste...."
Welfare, she believed, encouraged the breeding of the poor
or "...human waste..." as she called them.
She feared that welfare would encourage the urban poor
by having them give birth to those
"….stocks that are the most detrimental to the future of the race..."
Therefore, she believed that the government should actively encourage the sterilization
of those who are unfit to propagate the race
using as her motto: "...More children from the fit, less from the unfit...."

Planned Parenthood clinics have followed along the same lines as Margaret Sanger, who openly wanted to eliminate the lineage of those people who found themselves in vulnerable situations, especially poor and black women, and to work toward a type of supreme race. Planned Parenthood organization is the enemy of this great and diverse country, a country of many into one, and of the freedoms that we as Americans stand for. Margaret Sanger’s experiment must end if we are to go together, all of us, into the future strong and free.

Inquisag said:
I have seen all these arguments before. I don't agree with you and JUPITERASC. Anything I write here or pictorials I put up are not likely to change your mind and vice versa.

Dirius said:
Thats not the issue. I'm not trying to change your mind.

The problem with your position, as it is for most pro-abortionists, is that it can only work by either ignoring, disregarding or removing certain facts from the discussion about the fetus.

Truth is, at least in most cases, pro-abortionists know they are killing a fellow human being, they simply prefer to put the "needs" of the mother first. But it is ironic they think that decision is somehow moral in any way. And they don't realise the driving force for abortion, is profit. What is irritating is they never want to admit it is murder, and try to cover that up by suggesting stuff such as the fetus "not being alive".

At least be frontal about your convictions, or begin to acknowledge and accept the truth behind them.

david starling said:
You're ignoring the fact that a fetus still has no brainwaves at 20 weeks, a zygote is one-celled with no organs, and in keeping with your definition of a "human being, a sperm is both human and alive. Are these all "fellow human beings"?

Subjugation of women, legally forcing them to endure a 9th month pregnancy and the pain and possible death from childbirth, is something I, for one, don't believe is any moral way to treat a fellow human being.

david starling said:
Adamant anti-abortion zealots should be putting all of their efforts into better, safer, more user-friendly contraception methods, AND to ensure adequate governmental financial support for women who do become pregnant.

That's the only way to eliminate abortions.

Dirius said:
Or you can just stop trying to legitimize murder.

Dirius said:
- Brain activity does not determine status as a person. Furthermore such time frame is an estimate.

- Abortion rarely occurs at the zygote stage, most women find out much later about the pregnancy.

- The sperm is a cell carrying the male's genetic material. The zygote has its own DNA and is distintinct from both progrenitors.

- The same can be said about legally forcing a fetus to endure being torned apart. Whats the diference? That one doesn't feel any pain? so its ok to torn someone's arm if they don't feel pain?

david starling said:
That won't stop abortions, since the majority of Americans, and apparently citizens of Sweden, don't see it as murder.

You need to stop preaching moralistic arguments that the majority won't agree with, and do something that will be both humane AND actually stop abortions.

Are you in agreement with animal rights activists who see the slaughter of innocent animals as murder? Your preaching is about as effective as theirs.

Dirius said:
Oh so you agree its murder then.

david starling said:
Only if slaughtering animals is "murder". Do you agree with that?

Dirius said:
Definition of murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
Although we kill animals, it is not murder.
But your comparison does agree both abortion and animal slaughter involves killing.
Thus abortion, ergo deliberately killing a human being, is murder.

david starling said:
Zealous anti-abortionists are more inclined towards ineffective, moralistic condemnation and preaching than doing anything to effectively end abortion.

Dirius said:
And pro-abortionists are sanctioning murder. Doesn't get worse than that.

david starling said:
If you feel like you have to preach, then preach on, instead of doing anything constructive to end abortion.

Dirius said:
I am. I'm allowing those who have been brainwashed by the political corporation that profits from the killing of children - planned parenthood and the crony leftist parties (democrats in america) to realise the true nature of their belief system.

Most people truly believe the fetus is not a human being until about 4 months of gestation, because that is what they have been hearing from leftists, feminists, and politicians for the past 47 years.

Now they get to learn the truth.

david starling said:
Doctors are the least sympathetic to your definition of when a human fetus becomes a "human being". You need to preach to the AMA (American Medical Association).

a bill to protect “..abortion survivors..” being brought back
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...live-abortion-survivors-protection-2020-sasse

Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton appeared on WMAL
"Mornings on the Mall"
to discuss recently-obtained records from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA)

showing the FDA between 2012 and 2018 entering into 8 contracts
worth $96,370 with Advanced Bioscience Resources (ABR)
to acquire “fresh and never frozen” tissue from
1st and 2nd trimester aborted fetuses for use in creating “humanized mice”
for ongoing research.

ABR is a non-profit firm which has been the subject of criminal referrals
from House and Senate committees
investigating whether Planned Parenthood
or any other entity was illegally profiting
from the handling of fetal tissue from aborted babies.

Federal law regulates
the purchase and acceptance of human fetal tissue
for research purposes.
It is unlawful to knowingly transfer fetal tissue for profit
Judicial Watch filed the lawsuit
in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia
Judicial Watch v. U.S. Department Health and Human Services (No. 1:19-cv-00876)
after HHS failed to respond adequately
to a September 28, 2018, FOIA request
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtBkEACPHoA

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david starling · Jul 3, 2020

Is anyone claiming today's Planned Parenthood is trying to commit genocide on the entire black population?

aquarius7000 · Jul 3, 2020

david starling said:
I think most anti-abortionists just need the emotional satisfaction of demonizing those who approve of abortions. They would lose their emotional scapegoating outlet if they actually took practical steps to solve the problem by improving and promoting contraceptive alternatives.

Of course, they would also be up against the antiquated prohibition on contraception currently esposed by the Catholic Church.

When religion is used as a cult expecting (and receiving) blind faith - that is when demonizing and oppression starts. Don't provide alternatives to solve a problem, but simply (often mindlessly) condemn something that is actually there to tackle a big issue. :crying:

Keep arguing about when life starts - conception or giving birth - but don't care about the existing problems of the already living and breathing present on this earth - what can be more mature and holy.

Dirius · Jul 3, 2020

aquarius7000 said:
When religion is used as a cult expecting (and receiving) blind faith - that is when demonizing and oppression starts. Don't provide alternatives to solve a problem, but simply (often mindlessly) condemn something that is actually there to tackle a big issue.
Keep arguing about when life starts - conception or giving birth - but don't care about the existing problems of the already living and breathing present on this earth - what can be more mature and holy.

Most people care about the living. I'm not sure where the "argument" that conservatives don't care about the child after they are born comes from.

Truth is conservatives tend to be much more charitable than socialists. Number of studies have shown that conservative people are much more willing to share wealth with the poor, than most progressives. Probably because most conservatives actually hold jobs though.

The diference is socialists want other people to pay for everyone else. :sideways:

JUPITERASC · Jul 4, 2020

david starling said:
It's the woman's choice.

Have you forgotten that?
Who are you to force women to give birth?

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JUPITERASC · Jul 4, 2020

eekndyn said:
That is disturbing.

I did some research.

David,

do you know how many abortions were performed in sweden in 2019. 36,000 for the entire year of 2019.
Its sad to say, but the US out beats them in a week.

david starling said:
By percentage of population: 10 million in Sweden,
330 million in the U.S.A.,
Sweden has twice the percentage rate of abortions
compared to the U.S.

Siriusly :smile:

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david starling said:
Sweden is clearly following the secular humanist belief that abortion is a perfectly acceptable means of birth control, as opposed to a last resort when contraceptives failed, or were unavailable. If Sweden put the effort into creating safer, and more user-friendly contraceptives, and encouraging their use, it could cut the abortion rate down to practically 0%.

That's what anti-abortion forces in the U.S. should be doing also, instead of lining the pockets of the "back-alley" abortionists who are taking advantage of the closing of medical clinics that perform much safer abortions when it comes to a woman's health.

david starling said:
Anti-abortionists are apparently clueless, both in the U.S. and Sweden as to how to replace abortion by promoting contraceptives. The Catholic Church is a huge part of the problem, because it actually forbids contraception, including condoms! Abortion will continue regardless of laws against it or the closing of abortion clinics. They'll just be later-term abortions and those performed by unqualified, "back-alley" abortionists, who pose a much greater threat to the women's health.

david starling said:
And, the cluelessness continues.

PHILANTHROPIC RACISM
- aborting three million babies annually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wQx-BjmfJk

david starling said:
Being objective about it, the real argument is about the definition of "full-fledged human being", versus simply "under-developed human organism".
Many proponents of abortion argue that it's brain function that determines it.
Many opponents of abortion argue that it's conception alone that determines it.
I don't see any chance of one side persuading the other that its opinion is the correct opinion.

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Inquisag said:
I don't know if a fetus is a living organism.

I know that it becomes a human child

when it can survive outside of a womb.

Dirius said:
Really? you don't think it is alive?
Has working organs, arms and legs,
requires nourishment, produces waste, etc
- all of these before it can survive outside the womb.

This is the problem with abortion advocates.
An attempt to contradict simple scientific fact.
The only way abortion can be defended,
is by first denying an evident truth: that the fetus is alive.

We all know it, that is why you have to go to great lengths
to come with a conditioned response about
how it "has to be born alive".

aquarius7000 · Jul 4, 2020

YESSSSS.... pro choice when it does not spoil a living person's life.

If a woman is raped, she has to have the choice for aborting the pregnancy, which happened for NO fault of hers. If your sister or daughter were raped, you would want that for her too. Full stop.

Parents not wanting to have their children vaccinated against existing diseases are just plain misguided idiots that are basically subjecting their children to diseases.

david starling · Jul 4, 2020

aquarius7000 said:
YESSSSS.... pro choice when it does not spoil a living person's life.

If a woman is raped, she has to have the choice for aborting the pregnancy, which happened for NO fault of hers. If your sister or daughter were raped, you would want that for her too. Full stop.

Parents not wanting to have their children vaccinated against existing diseases are just plain misguided idiots that are basically subjecting to diseases.

The problem is, the vaccines are preserved using a mercury base, and given in combination with other vaccines. There needs to be the choice of mercury-free vaccines given one at a time. Also, there's not enough testing to be sure every child has a strong enough immune system at the time a vaccination occurs, and every child should be able to receive it from the family physician instead of being forced into the assembly line, mass jab-sessions they have in schools.

aquarius7000 · Jul 4, 2020

david starling said:
The problem is, the vaccines are preserved using a mercury base, and given in combination with other vaccines. There needs to be the choice of mercury-free vaccines given one at a time. Also, there's not enough testing to be sure every child has a strong enough immune system at the time a vaccination occurs, and should be able to receive it from the family physician.

David, my response was to JA's post with an apples-oranges' comparison about being 'pro-choice' and basically implying that those pro-choice about a woman aborting her pregnancy are against parents deciding against vaccination.

Dirius · Jul 4, 2020

david starling said:
The problem is, the vaccines are preserved using a mercury base, and given in combination with other vaccines. There needs to be the choice of mercury-free vaccines given one at a time. Also, there's not enough testing to be sure every child has a strong enough immune system at the time a vaccination occurs, and should be able to receive it from the family physician.

Finally one thing we agree.

i'm not anti-vaccination. But I don't think government can mandate you to inject stuff into your body, if you don't want to.

david starling said:
Parents not wanting to have their children vaccinated against existing diseases are just plain misguided idiots that are basically subjecting their children to diseases.

Whenever someone gets vaccinated, there is a risk for certain allergic reactions to the chemicals inside the vaccine. Because it is injected directly into the bloodstream, damage from it can be very severe - more even so if the patient is a child.

Of course, the percentage of people to suffer from ths is rather low, but you can easily solve this problem by applying a simple blood test to the chemicals that compose the vaccine.

The so called "anti-vaxxer" movement is not actually against vaccination per se - just mandated government vaccinations, and for the industry to develop safer practices or methods.

david starling · Jul 4, 2020

aquarius7000 said:
David, my response was to JA's post with an apples-oranges' comparison about being 'pro-choice' and basically implying that those pro-choice about a woman aborting her pregnancy are against parents deciding against vaccination.

The zygotists are the problem when it comes to a safe and sane abortion policy. Unfortunately, the Catholic Church is not only zygotist, it's anti-contraception as well..

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