She has the kids, they aren’t his but he has threatened to “take them away” not sure how he thinks he can accomplish that. She asked the question. It’s been a really long drawn out break up that keeps getting worse and for some nutty reason they keep ending up back together. This time she made drastic steps towards a clean break after discovering more deceit. She’s pretty broken hearted and really needs to stay away from him. Does that help? Thank you for your response. And no divorce needed as they aren’t married. She is contemplating an order of protection to keep him away (he has broken her possessions during rages and behaved violently) but I am hoping it doesn’t escalate to that
So if he is not at all mars ( I had read that in relational charts the quested is represented by h7 ruler and planets in house 7) then she is stronger (being angular/ top of the chart) or is he stronger (being Saturn in Capricorn)? She will be able to change her life?
I’m wondering how she is described by this chart, how he is described? Not that I doubt what she says but there’s always more to the story than one persons account...I’d like to help her see what her personal patterns are at play so she can grow and improve her life/ self esteem, she’s one of my oldest friends and a beautiful person, actually.
** I think the most pressing bit of info we could get is actually whether or not he will stay away from her. Is he still thinking he can reconcile or is he accepting the break up finally?
**also does sign of short ascension apply to change the square aspect between the sigs into a sextile?
Is the moon peregrine? And is that as bad as it seems? If so, that makes sense, she is very isolated with her kids and he has been her only support...
Eek it almost looks like going to the moons depositer (mars) that she is being helped by who in turn is helped by Saturn (mutual reception) who is clearly the sig for the ex...he is good for the boys??? Help please!
Also I am wondering if there is a “deception” style relationship between the two rulers? As in mixed reception/rejection? The moon receives Saturn by Triplicity but the moon is in saturns fall. This is interesting and hopefully someone can explain it.
She is described by Moon, he by Saturn. Mars is actually dispositor of Part of Marriage at 17 Scorpio. Moon in Aries, Saturn in Capricorn, show both parties still wanting this relationship as they are positive towards Mars, the dispositor of PoM. Yet both significators in negative reception to each other. Its like they can't live with each other yet can't live without either. Those kind of karmic relationships.
There is upcoming aspects for Moon with Mars and Saturn, Moon is besieged. So I think continued struggle with this partner. Moon has accidental dignity, so she has the strength to leave but dealing with him might be hard. Mars rx describes the relationship, its back and forth.
Mars also might be the kids. Are the kids close to him, even though he is not the father? There is mutual reception here so makes me think the kids are attached to him...
I don't do short long ascensions....
I follow Frawley receptions, Saturn in detriment of Moon yet also in triplicity of Moon shows mixed emotions one may have - he really can't stand her, perhaps he is hurt... (detriment) yet he also cares for her (Triplicity). Triplicity is not as strong as being in domicile or exaltation, which would show genuine care/love. We all have these kind of mixed emotions for someone when going through break up... we love them but also hate them... hope this explains.