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Unread 10-12-2020, 10:32 PM
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Hello. I really enjoy learning new things, and when I am at home, I like to spend time reading and learning, even though there isn't any practical need for me to do so (already have a job that I am happy with).


I am just wondering whether there is anybody here who's like me. And also, what aspect/placement in your chart points to this. I have Moon in 9th house, the house of higher learning. I have read that having the Moon in this house means one likes to expand one's knowledge and broaden one's horizon and this really resonates with me. On the other hand, I also have 4th house in Gemini. I believe this means the way I draw emotional sustenance is from being mentally engaged, which could also explain my liking for learning (and doing so while in the comfort of the home, exactly what one would expect from a 4th house in Gemini).


Anyways, what are your thoughts? Do you see yourself in me?


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It is tempting when learning astrology to practice astrology as a simple matter of houses and signs. If you love to learn, it is because you have X planet in X house or X sign, or so it goes. It is no wonder why students practice astrology this way, but it encourages the bad habit of minimizing contacts -- like aspects, midpoint pictures, and configurations. But it is the contacts that will offer the lion's share of content. In practice, the information gathered from house and sign occupants is secondary to the information revealed in planetary contacts -- aspects, midpoint pictures, and configurations.

It is much harder to learn what Mercury/Jupiter aspects mean. It is much harder to understand a T-square of Mars/Uranus/Jupiter, but in fact, that is where the answers you seek are found. I have seen it over and over again that shortcut astrology that ignores the contacts in order to use the easy, easy, easy planet-in-house or planet-in-sign indicators is so crippled that it is misleading.

A good place to start might be to find The Astrologer's Handbook by Sakoain & Acker or Planets in Aspect by Robert Pellitier or The Astrological Aspects by Charles Carter. If you can't find those perhaps Parker's Astrology might be a second choice.

There is a website that offers many of these books on loan online. It is archive.org. Open an account, and you are ready to go. You can borrow books like the library. You can search on the titles or on the authors. The Principles of Astrology by Charles Carter is there.

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Thanks for your insight, Cary. It didn't occur to me that I should read my chart as a holistic whole. I guess you can saying that I took "short cuts", haha.


It would indeed be interesting to consider the aspects made to my Moon and Mars. And very interestingly, these two planets do aspect each other in my chart. In fact, they only make an aspect to one another, not to anything else in my chart. Although the aspect is inconjunct, which some astrologers do not acknowledge. The orb is very tight though, less than 1 degree.


Thanks for the input!
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I have seen charts where I can ''see'' that that particular person is ''closed off'' to new ideas and new learning. And also charts which show the need to ''know more''. I've also seen charts which show that the native feels or believes he or she doesn't ''know enough'' and never feels as though they know enough!!


I think the moon would have to do with it ...so would the 9th house ....but I don't think you have to have the moon IN the 9th house....
I am exactly like this....and I have moon in Gemini...and moon ''ruling'' my 9th.
But I can think of other patterns which would encourage other people to want to learn - not necessarily the same things I want to learn...but still enthusiastic about learning new subjects etc.

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Hello. I really enjoy learning new things, and when I am at home, I like to spend time reading and learning, even though there isn't any practical need for me to do so (already have a job that I am happy with).


I am just wondering whether there is anybody here who's like me. And also, what aspect/placement in your chart points to this. I have Moon in 9th house, the house of higher learning. I have read that having the Moon in this house means one likes to expand one's knowledge and broaden one's horizon and this really resonates with me. On the other hand, I also have 4th house in Gemini. I believe this means the way I draw emotional sustenance is from being mentally engaged, which could also explain my liking for learning (and doing so while in the comfort of the home, exactly what one would expect from a 4th house in Gemini).


Anyways, what are your thoughts? Do you see yourself in me?
You're a Libra Moon? That on its own represents a deep need to learn.
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It is tempting when learning astrology to practice astrology as a simple matter of houses and signs.
I have seen it over and over again that shortcut astrology that ignores the contacts in order to use the easy, easy, easy planet-in-house or planet-in-sign indicators is so crippled that it is misleading.
You don't think perhaps you're taking it too far in the other direction?
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You don't think perhaps you're taking it too far in the other direction?
Sun Sign astrology is third rate astrology that fosters awful astrological habits. The most obvious habit is the disregard for contacts and configurations between the various chart factors that are not signs. It is the pursuit of simple, little answers that do not hold up to scrutiny. Simplifying astrology usually leads to tragic conclusions. Focusing on signs is amateur astrology that has only one value: it is easy.

One often finds declarations like Moon-in-Sagittarius are liars, or Moon-in-Capricorn are wicked and cruel. It is painfully obvious to a seasoned astrologer when Sun Sign astrology has been promoted foolishly. It is easy to demonstrate the real difference between the two approaches with real charts. The results of Sun Sign astrology plays into the hands of the millions of astrological skeptics who would love to discredit real astrology, and they do so when they check up on Sun Sign astrologers.

Libra Moon does not represent a "deep need to learn".

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Sun Sign astrology is third rate astrology that fosters awful astrological habits. The most obvious habit is the disregard for contacts and configurations between the various chart factors that are not signs. It is the pursuit of simple, little answers that do not hold up to scrutiny. Simplifying astrology usually leads to tragic conclusions. Focusing on signs is amateur astrology that has only one value: it is easy.

One often finds declarations like Moon-in-Sagittarius are liars, or Moon-in-Capricorn are wicked and cruel. It is painfully obvious to a seasoned astrologer when Sun Sign astrology has been promoted foolishly. It is easy to demonstrate the real difference between the two approaches with real charts. The results of Sun Sign astrology play into the hands of the millions of astrological skeptics who would love to discredit real astrology, and they do so when they check up on Sun Sign astrologers.
Is someone else overemphasizing something a reason to dislike the thing itself? You seem averse to even talking about the nature of the signs in their own right. It's like you're saying that because calculus is better, we shouldn't do basic arithmetic.
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Is someone else overemphasizing something a reason to dislike the thing itself? You seem averse to even talking about the nature of the signs in their own right. It's like you're saying that because calculus is better, we shouldn't do basic arithmetic.
No it is not like that. I don't think Sun in a sign tells much about an individual. I can demonstrate that very easily. I talk about signs all the time, but I am not talking about the false narrative that there are 12 types of people in the world. When I talk about signs, I'm talking about an astrological field of influence not ill-conceived characters. The contacts between astrological factors is much more powerful than the sign influence upon Sun are any other factor. The very concept of "Scorpios are this way" and "Virgos are that way" is pseudo-astrology because it is not true that there are 12 types of people in the world. It is not true that astrological principles can be ignored and substituted with pop astrology. I've seen years of such folly and the nonsense that it brings. There is a large industry based on pop astrology, but it is a vastly inferior form of astrology.

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No it is not like that. I don't think Sun in a sign tells much about an individual. I can demonstrate that very easily. I talk about signs all the time, but I am not talking about the false narrative that there are 12 types of people in the world. When I talk about signs, I'm talking about an astrological field of influence not ill-conceived characters. The contacts between astrological factors is much more powerful than the sign influence upon Sun are any other factor. The very concept of "Scorpios are this way" and "Virgos are that way" is pseudo-astrology because it is not true that there are 12 types of people in the world. It is not true that astrological principles can be ignored and substituted with pop astrology. I've seen years of such folly and the nonsense that it brings. There is a large industry based on pop astrology, but it is a vastly inferior form of astrology.
I think you're seeing a strawman in other people's comments, based on being fed up with tabloid astrology. And I get the frustration, it gives astrology a bad name. But someone commenting on the nature of a Sun sign does not mean that's all they think there is to astrology. With myself for instance, I practice a less complex variant than you, I really only look at Sun/Moon/Ascendant. But even within those variables, there are thousands of possible combinations when you get into the details of it, not just twelve.
I'm also not sure how you focus on these connections between them, when you don't even seem to believe in a base nature of the things you're connecting. What does the connection then mean?
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I think you're seeing a strawman in other people's comments, based on being fed up with tabloid astrology. And I get the frustration, it gives astrology a bad name. But someone commenting on the nature of a Sun sign does not mean that's all they think there is to astrology. With myself for instance, I practice a less complex variant than you, I really only look at Sun/Moon/Ascendant. But even within those variables, there are thousands of possible combinations when you get into the details of it, not just twelve.
I'm also not sure how you focus on these connections between them, when you don't even seem to believe in a base nature of the things you're connecting. What does the connection then mean?
Not understanding contacts between planets or points shows that you have succumbed to the pitfall of pop astrology. Over and over again I see chart readers skim over the contacts as if they were trivial non-essentials. That is the direct result of practicing third rate astrology.
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Not understanding contacts between planets or points shows that you have succumbed to the pitfall of pop astrology. Over and over again I see chart readers skim over the contacts as if they were trivial non-essentials.
You're not actually addressing any of my points. You're just stating over and over that you don't like it.
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I think you're seeing a strawman in other people's comments, based on being fed up with tabloid astrology. And I get the frustration, it gives astrology a bad name. But someone commenting on the nature of a Sun sign does not mean that's all they think there is to astrology. With myself for instance, I practice a less complex variant than you, I really only look at Sun/Moon/Ascendant. But even within those variables, there are thousands of possible combinations when you get into the details of it, not just twelve.
I'm also not sure how you focus on these connections between them, when you don't even seem to believe in a base nature of the things you're connecting. What does the connection then mean?
I can see that you are not sure, but that is not my problem.

Do the research.

"The New Astrologer", by Martin Seymour-Smith
"The Astrologer's Handbook", by Sakoin & Acker
"The Combination of Stellar Influences", Rheinhold Ebertin
"Planets in Aspect", by Robert Pellitier
"The Principles of Astrology", by C. E. O. Carter
"Horoscope Symbols", by Robert Hand
"The Astrological Aspects", by C. E. O. Carter
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I can see that you are not sure, but that is not my problem.

Do the research.

"The New Astrologer", by Martin Seymour-Smith
"The Astrologer's Handbook", by Sakoin & Acker
"The Combination of Stellar Influences", Rheinhold Ebertin
"Planets in Aspect", by Robert Pellitier
"The Principles of Astrology", by C. E. O. Carter
"Horoscope Symbols", by Robert Hand
"The Astrological Aspects", by C. E. O. Carter
You should try to be more open to other people's perspectives. How can you test the validity of your own views, if you dismiss out of hand anyone who disagrees with you?
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You're a Libra Moon? That on its own represents a deep need to learn.
No. I am a Scorpio Moon.
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Even if I toy with pop astrological practices and ignore aspects to the Moon, still the Moon-in-Libra does not mean "deep need to learn". In such a simplified construct, Moon in Libra means a need to relate, a need to appeal, a need to be diplomatic, a need to bring balance. "A deep need to learn" is simply wrong based on principles.
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No. I am a Scorpio Moon.
Ah, okay. What's your Sun and Ascendant, if you don't mind me asking? (Don't want to assume the latter based on your Gemini 4th comment, that already threw me off on the moon. >_< )
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Even if I toy with pop astrological practices and ignore aspects to the Moon, still the Moon-in-Libra does not mean "deep need to learn". In such a simplified construct, Moon in Libra means a need to relate, a need to appeal, a need to be diplomatic, a need to bring balance. "A deep need to learn" is simply wrong based on principles.
You don't see Libra as an intellectually curious sign?
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Ah, okay. What's your Sun and Ascendant, if you don't mind me asking? (Don't want to assume the latter based on your Gemini 4th comment, that already threw me off on the moon. >_< )
Not at all, puddle.

My Sun is in Leo at 9, ascendant is Pisces at 12. Moon is at Scorpio 25.

What's your configuration, if I may ask?
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You should try to be more open to other people's perspectives. How can you test the validity of your own views, if you dismiss out of hand anyone who disagrees with you?
I don't "dismiss out of hand anyone who disagrees with [me]". I have presented my principles. The idea of "whatever" is a hippy-dippy concept that appeals to many, but it is not a legitimate astrological principle. I speak up when I see a mistake, and I can specify my objection. Everything here is recorded. Show me that I "dismiss out of hand anyone who disagrees with [me]". Pop astrologers lean on the homily : "its all good". But it is not all good. Third rate astrology is trouble.

Dismissing "out of hand" means you accuse me of not having a cogent argument to make which is not true on the surface of the complaint. It is a false narrative promoted as a punishment for disagreeing, and it is a false accusation. Good astrology is worth promoting.

Pop astrologers defend their third rate efforts even to the point of condemning professional astrologers who have an actual astrological education.
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You don't see Libra as an intellectually curious sign?
You mean, of course, Libra Moon alone without regard to the rest of the chart or to the aspects to Libra Moon? No, I do not. I said under those circumstances (simplified circumstances) Moon in Libra means a need to relate, a need to appeal, a need to be diplomatic, and need to balance. I think you were hasty and premature to explain it all as the Moon sign. It is very highly likely that it is not a matter of Moon sign.

I would draw up millions of charts with Moon in Libra who do not represent a "deep need to learn". One-twelfth of all people who ever lived have Moon in Libra. That should satisfy common sense that Moon-in-sign is an inadequate rationale.
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Not at all, puddle.

My Sun is in Leo at 9, ascendant is Pisces at 12. Moon is at Scorpio 25.

What's your configuration, if I may ask?
Hm. There's definitely a lot of curiosity in Scorpio. That's my best guess. Though I wouldn't venture more detail, at the moment.

Taurus Sun. I'd give you my Moon and Rising, but I've currently got a friend on this forum who's trying to guess them, so I gotta play that close to the chest for now. lol If he guesses it soon, I'll come back to this thread and add them.
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You mean, of course, Libra Moon alone without regard to the rest of the chart or to the aspects to Libra Moon? No, I do not. I said under those circumstances (simplified circumstances) Moon in Libra means a need to relate, a need to appeal, a need to be diplomatic, and need to balance. I think you were hasty and premature to explain it all as the Moon sign. It is very highly likely that it is not a matter of Moon sign.
Libra in general, thematically. As I see it, the signs are sets of themes and processes that play out within an aspect of the psyche, based on placement. So when you combine the Moon, which indicates one's deep needs, with that sign, it manifests through a multitude of Libran themes. Overall I'd say all air signs are intellectually driven, so I'd think it quite likely that an air Moon would find a deep personal satisfaction, conscious or subconscious, in the act of learning. And equally so, a conscious or subconscious dissatisfaction in mental stagnation.

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I would draw up millions of charts with Moon in Libra who do not represent a "deep need to learn". One-twelfth of all people who ever lived have Moon in Libra. That should satisfy common sense that Moon-in-sign is an inadequate rationale.
You think less than 8% of the population enjoys learning?
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I don't "dismiss out of hand anyone who disagrees with [me]". I have presented my principles. The idea of "whatever" is a hippy-dippy concept that appeals to many, but it is not a legitimate astrological principle. I speak up when I see a mistake, and I can specify my objection. Everything here is recorded. Show me that I "dismiss out of hand anyone who disagrees with [me]". Pop astrologers lean on the homily : "its all good". But it is not all good. Third rate astrology is trouble.

Dismissing "out of hand" means you accuse me of not having a cogent argument to make which is not true on the surface of the complaint. It is a false narrative promoted as a punishment for disagreeing, and it is a false accusation. Good astrology is worth promoting.

Pop astrologers defend their third rate efforts even to the point of condemning professional astrologers who have an actual astrological education.
Again, you're strawmanning. I never claimed astrology could just be "whatever". All I did was have a different interpretation than you, and suggest that it would behoove us to listen to one another.

The reason I say you dismiss out of hand is because you seem to say essentially the same thing every time this is broached. And it seems to have little to do with what your opponent in the discussion says. You haven't even asked me about my practice of astrology, you don't know what it is and have made that clear by arguing against things I haven't said, while not addressing the things I have. You just found out it wasn't your version of astrology and have since gone on a multitude of monologues about how pop astrology is lazy and stupid and ruining it for the "real" astrologers. Okay. I get it. You think I'm lazy and stupid. I can live with that, but I'd like to hear a real argument for your version, instead of just lambasting those who don't follow it. You say things like "I can easily demonstrate" and then don't demonstrate. I'm genuinely curious about how you practice, I even asked things like "[what do the connections mean to you without the base concepts]", and you didn't answer. It just keeps being a re-run of "mine good, yours bad".
I appreciate your honesty, I like critical people very much. But we're just going in circles without substance. I'd like it if we could discuss our findings in earnest.
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Libra in general, thematically. As I see it, the signs are sets of themes and processes that play out within an aspect of the psyche, based on placement. So when you combine the Moon, which indicates one's deep needs, with that sign, it manifests through a multitude of Libran themes. Overall I'd say all air signs are intellectually driven, so I'd think it quite likely that an air Moon would find a deep personal satisfaction, conscious or subconscious, in the act of learning. And equally so, a conscious or subconscious dissatisfaction in mental stagnation.


You think less than 8% of the population enjoys learning?
Yes, I think that most people have little regard for learning and little regard for growth. I think they want football, crack and nonsense much more than they want learning, real learning. I think most people find thinking, real thinking, painful and annoying so they dodge it.

Many people make a great effort to simplify astrology so they can avoid the study, research and thought that a real astrological education demands. I see it over, and over, and over again.
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