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I use Rumen Kolevs parans software

https://www.babylonianastrology.com/

Paranatellonta are stars or star groups that fall upon angles
at the same time that a significant constellation

or

planet

such as for example
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

is also upon the angles.
They are viewed as attendants.
In ancient astrology the term was also applied to the constellations
that ascended with the zodiacal decans.

the term Paran (short for Paranatellonta)
is generally used to describe
stars or planets that are angular as a planet hits the ascendant, MC,

Descendant or IC.

For example, the parans of SATURN would be

those stars or planets
that were rising, culminating, descending

or located upon the IC
at the same time that SATURN is in any or those positions.


Thus if the fixed star Regulus culminates on the Midheaven

as SATURN rises on the ascendant
it is referred to as a paran of SATURN
and considered to have an influence upon its meaning.
https://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/paran.html



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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121676

Stars are unfavorably placed when they are with their depressions
and unfavorable houserulers
when they are inoperative, especially with the VI and the XII
when they are not rejoicing with their sects and images
when setting under the beams and retreating
whenever they are not rising alongside favorable non-wandering stars


when they are ascending from SATURN
and
when they are ascending from Mars
both particularly with exchanges of rays
and superior placements.


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by the way
Hellenistic astrologers did not delineate the planets in the signs.

Robert Schmidt says the reason for this
is because the signs affect all of the planets in the same manner.
In other words, fixed signs prolong an issue
mutable signs break an issue off after a time, etc.
Therefore it is not very useful
to delineate planets strictly by their sign placement.
What Hellenistic astrologers did instead
is interpret the planets according to the rulership of a given sign
by a planet which was called the "...oikodektor..."
The planets were said to have familiarized themselves with the signs
in the creation, in a process called "...oikeosis..."
The oikodektor was then made the house steward
because that planet was most familiar with
how that zoidion should be run.


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Traditional Rulerships


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

Direction:
All air signs relate to the west.
Aquarius relates to west by north.


Anatomy:
Aquarius governs the shins and ankles
and through its rulership by SATURN
relates generally to the bones, teeth, joints and skeletal structure.

As an air sign
AQUARIUS has some rulership over circulation of the blood
and breath.


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The illnesses of SATURN

are those

proceeding from

cold, old age, melancholy or depressed spirits.
The pain associated with Saturn illnesses is dull and aching
rather than sharp or burning.
The fevers are those that involve alternating periods of chills
or a fit of shivering, such as malaria.
The damage of Saturn's illnesses tends towards a progressive wasting of tissue.
These include arthritis, rheumatism, depression, consumption,
colds, chills and flu
and all illnesses that involve muscle fatigue, difficulty in breathing
and watery discharges from the nose and eyes,
strokes, paralysis or palsy, bruises and dark marks
chronic illnesses, coughs, dropsy, starvation
morbid fantasies, fears and nightmares, gout, gangrene, haemorrhoids
defects to the hearing, leprosy, miscarriage, scabbiness, scabies and lice
infections of the skin, and illnesses arising from poisons
or damage to the spleen, teeth or bones
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/astrology_saturn.html



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The illnesses of SATURN

are those

proceeding from

cold, old age, melancholy or depressed spirits.
The pain associated with Saturn illnesses is dull and aching
rather than sharp or burning.
The fevers are those that involve alternating periods of chills
or a fit of shivering, such as malaria.
The damage of Saturn's illnesses tends towards a progressive wasting of tissue.
These include arthritis, rheumatism, depression, consumption,
colds, chills and flu
and all illnesses that involve muscle fatigue, difficulty in breathing
and watery discharges from the nose and eyes,
strokes, paralysis or palsy, bruises and dark marks
chronic illnesses, coughs, dropsy, starvation
morbid fantasies, fears and nightmares, gout, gangrene, haemorrhoids
defects to the hearing, leprosy, miscarriage, scabbiness, scabies and lice
infections of the skin, and illnesses arising from poisons
or damage to the spleen, teeth or bones
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/astrology_saturn.html



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Indeed. All of these are related in some way. I've always found it interesting that Saturn tends to produce restrictions and pains due to the lack of solar and lunar qualities it lacks. It is the planet that opposes the rulership of the Moon and the Sun, after all. A lack of moisture and a lack of heat makes the natives lack connection with their own emotions and others' (Moon) while also a lack of will to act (Solar). It definitely is more devastating than Mars, which only sins in regards to having a lack of empathy.

I'd say Saturn is more of a powerful influence than many other planets. It rules time, reality. The cold, hard truth - as it's often said.

Oh, and I really think that Aquarius fits Saturn quite well. This whole "hard reality" theme it has going really fits with the absolute logic, coldness and aloofness of Aquarius. Saturn is a very scientific, objective, cautious planet to me.

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Indeed. All of these are related in some way. I've always found it interesting that Saturn tends to produce restrictions and pains due to the lack of solar and lunar qualities it lacks. It is the planet that opposes the rulership of the Moon and the Sun, after all. A lack of moisture and a lack of heat makes the natives lack connection with their own emotions and others' (Moon) while also a lack of will to act (Solar).
SATURN is cold

and

dry

and inimical to life

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In nativities
malefics are better when they are post-ascending
for then they do not harm the stars and images that are ascending.

They are best when ascending and favorably placed
for then they bring good fortune.

Inoperative stars cause reversals and weakness.
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It definitely is more devastating than Mars, which only sins in regards to having a lack of empathy.



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Mars is burning and drying, malefic, masculine and nocturnal. Pyroeis makes those born under him red and white in complexion, tall, robust, gray-eyed, with thick hair, somewhat curly, having excess of hot and dry when morning rising, and red, of middle height, with small eyes, not much hair on the body, straight yellow hair, having excess of dry when evening rising, and in general, natural, grim, resourceful, passionate, drinking, turbulent, relentless, challenging and confident. Mars controls force, wars, robbery, screams, violence, the loss of property, whoring, banishment, exile, alienation from parents, captivity, corruption of women, abortions, sexual intercourse, the loss of good things, lies, vain hopes, violent theft, banditry, plundering, disputes between friends, wrath, fighting, verbal abuse, hatred, lawsuits, shouting, violent murder, slashing and bloodshed, attacks of fever, boils, burns, imprisonment, torture, courage, false oaths, wandering, decoration of clothing, excelling at villainy, those who work with fire and iron, artisans, masons, leadership, military service, high-ranking officers, soldiers, supremacists, hunting, wine, falling from heights and four-footed animals, poor vision, apoplexy and falling on the back, the muscular system, the urinary system, the lower gastrointestinal tract, weapons, iron, reddish colours and acid tastes. It is chronocrator over late adulthood up to the 56th year.

Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf


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I'd say Saturn is more of a powerful influence than many other planets. It rules time, reality. The cold, hard truth - as it's often said.
'....Saturn brings about power based on wealth and amassing of treasure...'




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Oh, and I really think that Aquarius fits Saturn quite well. This whole "hard reality" theme it has going really fits with the absolute logic, coldness and aloofness of Aquarius. Saturn is a very scientific, objective, cautious planet to me.

Traditionally

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Saturn is cooling and moderately drying, malefic, masculine and diurnal. Phainon makes those born under him dark-skinned, robust, black-haired, curly-haired, hairy-chested, and with eyes of moderate size, middling stature, having excess of cold and moist when morning rising, and dark, slender, small, straight-haired, with little bodily hair, rather graceful, black-eyed, having excess of cold and dry when evening rising, and in general, annoying, concealing, avaricious, ignorant, consistent, reserved, petty, malicious, having many anxieties, throwing themselves down, fond of solitude, deceitful, downcast, hypocritical, squalid, clothed in black, deviant, importunate, sullen and miserable. Saturn controls depressions and sluggishness, obstacles in business, interminable lawsuits, subversion of action, secrets, restraints, imprisonment, grief, accusations, tears, being orphaned, captivity, haunting, farmers, gardeners, workers of property, managers, seafaring and waterside trades, tax collectors, the elders, violent action, guardianship, great reputation, notable ranks, lands, administration of that which belongs to others, fathership of the children of others, bachelors, widows, childlessness, violent deaths by water, strangulation, dysentery, falling on the face, injuries and lower respiratory infections, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system, building materials like wood and stone, lead, dark colours and astringent tastes. It chronocrator over late old age up to death.



Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf

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SATURN is cold

'....Saturn brings about power based on wealth and amassing of treasure...'
Naturally. Saturn never gives fortune unless through patience, hard work, integrity, steadiness, etc. I personally admire very much the qualities of Saturn. It's the definition of a blessing disguised as bad fortune.

As for it ruling Aquarius on its own (like the title of this thread), I personally think it fits well with the sign but don't reject the idea of Uranus ruling it as well.

It's a bit complicated - even if it rules Aquarius then it wouldn't directly have much of an effect on the personal lives of people, would it?. Uranus is definitely a higher, spiritual energy to me, which has an affinity for the sign. I believe each sign is a spectrum of meaning which vibrates on many levels - from the ones we can easily pinpoint to those that are far out of our human understanding.

For the purposes of simplicity it's easier to think of Saturn as the main ruler of Aquarius.

Most of us live our lives in a under the rule of Saturn. People push through hardships to try achieve material success. Work in jobs for decades to slowly achieve a sense of comfort, to buy a house and have a family of their own. They learn from bad experiences like heartbreak, depression, loneliness, etc. The world is far too unevolved to be centered around, say a Neptunian goal. That'd be way more focused on world-peace and unconditional love.
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SATURN is cold

and

dry

and inimical to life
What would we be without an energy that forced us to be objective and give us distance from emotions and life? We wouldn't have science, humility wouldn't exist. The most powerful force of astrology would be the integration of every planet in a perfect harmonic way. We need all of them, don't we?





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Saturn is cooling and moderately drying, malefic, masculine and diurnal. Phainon makes those born under him dark-skinned, robust, black-haired, curly-haired, hairy-chested, and with eyes of moderate size, middling stature, having excess of cold and moist when morning rising, and dark, slender, small, straight-haired, with little bodily hair, rather graceful, black-eyed, having excess of cold and dry when evening rising, and in general, annoying, concealing, avaricious, ignorant, consistent, reserved, petty, malicious, having many anxieties, throwing themselves down, fond of solitude, deceitful, downcast, hypocritical, squalid, clothed in black, deviant, importunate, sullen and miserable. Saturn controls depressions and sluggishness, obstacles in business, interminable lawsuits, subversion of action, secrets, restraints, imprisonment, grief, accusations, tears, being orphaned, captivity, haunting, farmers, gardeners, workers of property, managers, seafaring and waterside trades, tax collectors, the elders, violent action, guardianship, great reputation, notable ranks, lands, administration of that which belongs to others, fathership of the children of others, bachelors, widows, childlessness, violent deaths by water, strangulation, dysentery, falling on the face, injuries and lower respiratory infections, the skeletal system, the lymphatic system and the immune system, building materials like wood and stone, lead, dark colours and astringent tastes. It chronocrator over late old age up to death.
Thanks for leaving these quotes with their respective references by the way. I often find traditional astrological texts to be the most scrupulous. Haven't read the Tetrabiblos by Ptolemy thoroughly, so I might just do it after readign Vettius Valens' anthology.
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As for it ruling Aquarius on its own (like the title of this thread), I personally think it fits well with the sign
but don't reject the idea of Uranus ruling it as well.
It's a bit complicated
- even if it rules Aquarius
then it wouldn't directly have much of an effec
t on the personal lives of people, would it?
. Uranus is definitely a higher, spiritual energy to me, which has an affinity for the sign. I believe each sign is a spectrum of meaning which vibrates on many levels - from the ones we can easily pinpoint to those that are far out of our human understanding.
For the purposes of simplicity it's easier to think of Saturn as the main ruler of Aquarius.
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obviously, invisible outer planets are Modernist astrological
HOWEVER
clearly

because

this thread discussion is on our traditional board

for thousands of years
Traditionally, Saturn IS the SOLE DOMICILE ruler of AQUARIUS
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The world is far too unevolved
to be centered around, say a Neptunian goal.
That'd be way more focused on world-peace and unconditional love.

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by the way
did you read the rules of our traditional board?
Traditional Astrology board
is for discussions on Traditional Astrology only.
.....and
always excludes modern planets
(Neptune, Uranus and Pluto,)
as well as any asteroids
The focus is less on what would be considered modern psychological
chart interpretation and more on prediction.
Members who wish to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas
should feel free to start a new thread
in an appropriate forum for further discussion.
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To determine whether
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE OF AQUARIUS
is
a PRIMARY RULER of a chart
or not
Hellenistic astrologers have a number of primary rulers
all of which have different functions
The first probably most important
is the PREDOMINATOR of a chart.
The predominator of a chart
is the luminary of time
sun by day or moon by night
PROVIDED IS NOT CADENT

If sun is cadent in a Day chart then moon is predominator.
If moon is cadent in a Night chart then sun is predominator.

If both luminaries are cadent
i.e.
if both Sun and Moon are
then
ascendant is the predominator.


If the domicile ruler of the ascendant is also cadent
use the Lot of Fortune.
Some find that:
The cadent luminary can still be predominator
IF it is in his/her own house of Joy
i.e.
Sun is in 9th
or
Moon is in 3rd.

The predominator = planet that represents the life of the native.
The trigon aka triplicity lords of the predominator
tell use the thirds of life of the native
i.e.
first trigon lord = first part of life
second trigon lord = second part of life
and
third trigon lord = third part of life.
Once the predominator has been determined
then proceed
to determine the OIKODESPOTES of the natal chart.

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It survives in a summary of Balbilus and is also mentioned by Valens as a popular method along with decennials. The principle is the same as decennials, only the times are different.
You start with the predominator,
and then allot years as many as the minor recurrence years
of the planets in zodiacal order

(sun - 19,
moon - 25,
saturn - 30,
jupiter - 12,
mars - 15,
venus - 8
and
mercury - 20).

The difference between this and the 129 year method is that
if the stars should not be upon the degrees of their exaltations,
it will be necessary to
substract as many days as there are years, by sign, as many months.

One can further divide each time into 129 parts as many times as necessary.






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'....SATURN signifies fraud


and
affliction
and
difficulty
and
loss

also ancestors and what is left behind by the dead, mourning
and being orphaned, and old things.....'
Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/


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NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


'...He does not easily get angry
and if he were angry
he would not be able to rule his own mind.
He wishes good to no one.


And he signifies old men
and weighty men
and burdens and fear, griefs
and sorrow and the complication of the mind.
And fraud and affliction and difficulty and loss;
also ancestors and what is left behind by the dead
mourning, and being orphaned, and old things.
Even grandfathers and fathers and brothers
and senior people and slaves
and mule drivers and men who are blamed
and robbers and those who dig up graves
and who rob the garments of the dead.



And fitters of leather and those who blame things.
He signifies magicians and masters of discord
and low-class men and eunuchs.
and a scarcity of speaking
and the knowledge of secrets
and one does not know what is in his mind
nor does a wise person make disclosures to him
about every obscure matter
And he signifies austerity and the ascetics of religions....'
[From Gr. Intr. VII.9.1390-1423]



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Thanks for leaving these quotes
with their respective references by the way.
I often find traditional astrological texts to be the most scrupulous.

Haven't read the Tetrabiblos by Ptolemy thoroughly, so
I might just do it after reading Vettius Valens' anthology.

Traditional astrology is based on ancient astrological texts
originally written in Ancient Greek, Latin, Arabic
and so
traditional astrologers often provide references to translations
of those ancient texts
so that interested beginners have the required information
to check for themselves
and very happy that you are utilising the references and links



BENJAMIN DYKES offers a number of translations
of previously untranslated ancient texts
at https://bendykes.com/

.Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London.
Retrieved from http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html

Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley.
Retrieved from https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf


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Ancient working Astrologer VETTIUS VALENS
chronicled traits of the sign of Aquarius in his currenly two thousand year old ANTHOLOGY
at
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf


On The Nature of the Twelve Zodiacal Signs

'......Aquarius is the celestial sign

which is masculine, solid, anthropomorphic, somewhat damp, single.
It is mute, quite cold, free, upward-trending, feminizing, unchanging, base, with few offspring,
the cause of troubles arising from athletic training, carrying burdens, or work in hard materials, an artisan, public.
Men born under this sign are malicious, haters of their own families,
incorrigible, self-willed
deceitful, tricky, concealing everything
misanthropic, godless,
accusers, betrayers of reputations and the truth,
envious, petty
occasionally generous (because of <this signís> flow of water), uncontrollable....'


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FIVE Of The SEVEN Traditional Classical Planets
have BOTH a Day DOMICILE
&
A Night DOMICILE








NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


'...And he signifies travel by sea
and foreign travel [that is] far away and at great length, and bad.

And cleverness, envy and wits and seductions
and boldness in dangers and impediment, and hesitation
and being singular, and a scarcity of association with men
and pride and magnanimity and bluffing and bragging
and the subjection of men
also the managers of a kingdom
and of every work which comes to be with force and with evil and injuries

and a tendency to anger
even warriors and fettering and prison, also truth in words and esteem
and prudence and understanding
and experience, and offense, and obstinacy
and a multitude of thoughts and a depth of counsel
and insistence
and stubbornness in [his] method....'

Benjamin's Dykes' published work also contains introductions
and footnoted annotations.
For a pdf extract of material from various sections of his text see here.


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SATURN, Jupiter and Sun rejoice by day
Diurnal stars rejoice with diurnal images

Domiciles, exaltations, winds, bounds and configurations
control universal harmony


SATURN is exalted with Libra
and
depressed with Aries


Stars with their domiciles, exaltations and bounds
are always good
when benefic, they are better
when malefic, they are less bad.
Those who have many favorable placements
have distinguished nativities


Leo, Sagittarius, Aries - Sun, Jupiter, SATURN - NORTH WIND

Libra, AQUARIUS, Gemini - SATURN, Mercury, Jupiter - EAST WIND

Stars control the four divine winds.
They become good whenever the houserulers are ascending
or are post-ascending and favorably placed.
The first ruler is diurnal
the second is nocturnal
and the third is cooperating.
Changeover of the whole trigon occurs with the
completion of the rising time
and the recurrence years of the predominating houseruler
handing over to the other ruler.


In nativities, MALEFICS are better when they are post-ascending
for then they do not harm the stars and images that are ascending.
They are best when ascending and favorably placed
for then they bring good fortune.

And configurations are very strong within three degrees
SATURN and Mars are very bad with presence within three degrees
and
with tetragon and diameter rays
while Jupiter and Venus intervene with presence and all rays
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SECT IN ASTROLOGY


SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS IS A DIURNAL PLANET



BRIEF overview of the concept of sect in astrology
which is
the difference between day charts
and night charts.


Sect is a fundamental concept used in Hellenistic astrology
only been recovered over the past THIRTY years
through translations of ancient texts.
this talk gives a broad introduction to sect
first by establishing
how pervasive the concept is in ancient astrology
and then
to demonstrate how it works in practice through chart examples

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfPLTQuB9M


In a diurnal chart
the Sun is the sect light AKA the leader of the sect
Jupiter and Saturn are planets of the Dirunal Sect.


If Saturn is above the horizon Diurnally - Saturn is happy

BUT
If below the horizon in the diurnal chart

Saturn is still of the diurnal sect
ó still of the sect in favour
ó but is not going to be as happy
as when Saturn is above horizon in diurnal chart




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To determine whether
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE OF AQUARIUS
is OIKODESPOTES OF A NATAL CHART
keep in mind that

the term oikodespotes aka DOMICILE MASTER
is used for domicile master/ruler of signs

for example
Mars is oikodespotes of Aries
and
Venus is oikodespotes of Taurus.
because
Mars
and
Venus
claim those signs as their dwelling place.



There is also an
oikodespotes aka DOMICILE MASTER of the whole chart itself

To determine this
first determine the predominator in a nativity.
then
The domicile ruler of the predominator's sign

is the domicile master aka OIKODESPOTES of the chart
i.e. the OIKODESPOSTES is the planet claiming the whole chart
as their dwelling place
The domicile master is the one who sets the agenda/policy in native's life.
The bound aka TERM ruler of the predominator = the oversight

i.e.
the one who sets the restriction over the domicile master
aka oikodespotes of the chart.
In chart delieneation

the domicile master of the predominator aka oikodespotes
preferably is in aspect with the predominator
and
the bound ruler of the predominator

preferably is in aspect or configured to the domicile master
aka oikodespotes of the chart.
Also important whether these planets are 'favorable' to the native.







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generously FREE from Charlie Obert
at
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2018/...YNlDgSz2m19brA

astrologer Charles Obert
explains the concept of essential dignities and debilities
and how they are used
to determine the condition of a planet in an astrological chart.
such as for example
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


synthesizing chart factors in the process of analysis
calls us to consider many factors.

Traditionally, one of the most important is
to consider the strength and dignity of the planets.


UNDERSTANDING PLANETARY DIGNITY AND DEBILITY
https://www.skyscript.co.uk/dignities.html

The 'benefics' are not constant sources of good fortune
the 'malefics' are not always damaging
nor is it fair to assume that all planets express an equal importance
at all times


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Joseph Crane says
the Greeks had no concept of combustion

"...Traditional astrologers are familiar with
the idea of '...combustion...'
if a planet is within eight degrees of the Sun
it is burnt up by the Sun

and is in a weakened condition.

This concept does not appear in the Hellenistic tradition
HOWEVER

its origin may be in the depiction of
a planet sunken within the Sunís beams.

Does Saturn, being in a '...sunken...' condition
imply
that Saturn is no good as a planet for the native?
If so, this may be a particular problem
when Saturn, SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
governs many planets in Capricorn
as well as Aquarius..."


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Chris Brennan
on the concept of reception
in traditional astrology
and
how it can be used as a powerful mitigating factor
in birth chart interpretation

Broadly speaking
reception occurs
when one planet is placed in a sign ruled by another planet
and
the ruler of the sign aspects the guest planet.

Since the signs of the zodiac were originally conceptualized
as the homes or dwelling places of the planets
reception was conceptualized as
what happens when a host planet welcomes and supports guests staying in its home.

Medieval astrologers often treated reception as a powerful mitigating factor
which could make aspects from benefics even more positive
or alternatively make difficult aspects from malefics more constructive.

First part of the lecture - history and philosophy behind this concept
while the second half presents contemporary chart examples
to demonstrate how the technique works in practice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwNTivlTws8


Quote:

Stars that precede are superior to those that follow
thus it is better for benefics to be on the right of malefics
and we say this for all assemblies, configurations and like-principles.

In every case it is necessary to

examine the assemblies and configurations with degree
for they become stronger the closer they are to their figures.

Like-principles of daylight, rising times and houserulers
cause harmonious affinity
but it will be very weak if the images are turned away.
It will be necessary to accurately measure
the distances between powerful stars
then measure the same or reverse from the Hour-Marker,
in order that
whatever relations the stars bear to each other
the Hour-Marker may bear to the Lots
and that they may be as they were Hour-Markers.


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Quote:
Apotelesmatika

1. Powers

SATURN is cooling and moderately drying



2. Qualities

SATURN and Mars are maleficent





17. Depressions

Aries is heating depression of SATURN
CAPRICORN is southern depression of Jupiter


27. Qualities

Saturn predominating indicates destruction by cold, with long illnesses, consumptions, withering, disturbances caused by fluids, rheumatisms, quartan fevers, falling, exile, poverty, imprisonment, mourning, fears, and deaths, especially among those advanced in age, scarcity and destruction of useful animals by disease, fearful cold, freezing, misty and pestilential corruption of air, clouds, gloom, multitude of destructive snowstorms, abundance of harmful reptiles, storms, the wreck of fleets, disastrous voyages, scarcity and death of fish, high and ebb tides of the seas, the excessive floods of rivers and pollution of their waters, want, scarcity and loss of crops, especially of those grown for necessary uses, through worms or locusts or floods or cloud-burst or hail, and the like





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THE NATURE of SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
is

Masculine, diurnal
cold and dry
melancholic
earthly
malevolent
the Greater Infortune
Author of solitariness


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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
SECT MATES ARE

OF THE DIURNAL SECT


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